## new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

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zekill   1 mW

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### Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

i have open the motor, all is in place and dry.
I seem that the rear bearing (6201) is fautly.

laerciohj   10 mW

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### Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Brazilian talking to the automatic translator, strange things may appear.

You may need to look not for the maximum power of the motor, but for voltage, and especially the maximum current. Since power is the relationship between voltage and current. First it is interesting to find the maximum voltage supported by the motor. With this we can determine the current required for a desired power. The main research is to find the maximum current because it is only the current that generates heat. The more current the more heating. The ideal test would be to subject the motor to a certain current that will keep it below 110ºC. If this motor supports 25A continuously, for example at 84V we have continuous power of 2.1kW without relevant heating. Am I right?

Tommm   10 kW

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### Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

laerciohj wrote:
Aug 07 2019 2:11pm
Brazilian talking to the automatic translator, strange things may appear.

You may need to look not for the maximum power of the motor, but for voltage, and especially the maximum current. Since power is the relationship between voltage and current. First it is interesting to find the maximum voltage supported by the motor. With this we can determine the current required for a desired power. The main research is to find the maximum current because it is only the current that generates heat. The more current the more heating. The ideal test would be to subject the motor to a certain current that will keep it below 110ºC. If this motor supports 25A continuously, for example at 84V we have continuous power of 2.1kW without relevant heating. Am I right?
Yes, and 2.1kw continuous is about right for the 3kw and about 2.5kw for the 4kw motor. The cyclones lack cooling fins to have a high continuous rating.

lukashanak   100 mW

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### Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

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Ultralight and narrow Cyclone 4000W
11/72 gearing, so gearbox is needless.
About 2kgs less weight compared to my previous setup.
Cyclone 4kW mid drive + Nucular 12F + 18s lipo = 9kW of fun

Tommm   10 kW

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Very good, I guess the cooling gets better too that way. I will go as far as saying this is the way the cyclones should have been sold from the start. You don't need 2 stages for this motor at all.

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Hi c3000 cyclone with fan stay at around 35c which is cool. Floorless last 3 months dry and water plus sand

You lose 1.6 not use gearbox heatup faster.
Nice it work on flat land. Dont try a real hill.

Next motor c4800 in 2 weeks

lukashanak   100 mW

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Aug 19 2019 6:08am
Hi c3000 cyclone with fan stay at around 35c which is cool. Floorless last 3 months dry and water plus sand

You lose 1.6 not use gearbox heatup faster.
Nice it work on flat land. Dont try a real hill.

Next motor c4800 in 2 weeks
No flat land many kms around me. I can climb anything where I dont fall to my back. This is same reduction like my previous setup.
With gearbox I used 22/30 front and 36/11-40 back. And now without gearbox 11/72 front and 30/11-40 back. Its exactly same reduction.
Cyclone 4kW mid drive + Nucular 12F + 18s lipo = 9kW of fun

TOLM   1 W

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### Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Lukashanak, super cool, thanks for sharing!

Can you share what freewheel and 72t sprocket did you use? Would definitely be interested to learn more how to

TOLM   1 W

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mstulken@telus.net wrote:
Apr 25 2019 8:04pm
Grantmac wrote:
Apr 25 2019 6:57pm
Just get a wide range 9spd rear and use the 42 front.

Even 44f/32r will climb any road you could get a log truck up. Actually it'll just about climb anything a human can walk up.
Hey thanks for responding. Nice to see another BC person here. I'm in North Van.
Another bc guy here (burnaby).. The thing sure climbs anything easily

Grantmac   1 kW

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### Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

If you don't care about pedaling getting rid of the gearbox is where it's at.

lukashanak   100 mW

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TOLM wrote:
Aug 20 2019 8:21pm
Lukashanak, super cool, thanks for sharing!

Can you share what freewheel and 72t sprocket did you use? Would definitely be interested to learn more how to
Motor is without freewheel. 11/72 sprockets with 219h chain from Cycmotor x1 pro. And narrower bottom bracket. Nobody pedals with high power ebike. Motor resistance force is not to high, so you can pedal. And always I can release tensioner and remove front chain if something fail a I need to pedal longer way....
After week of riding I can say, that its better than with gearbox and freewheel. Lighter bike, narrower cranks and little quiter than gearbox with steel gears.
Cyclone 4kW mid drive + Nucular 12F + 18s lipo = 9kW of fun

pwd   100 W

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Hi everyone, I'm looking into purchasing this bike (2015 KHS 4 Season 3000): http://1d8piv1xedxt3k9gin22z4pqb30-wpen ... n_3000.pdf but I'm not sure if the bottom bracket style is compatible with the cyclone 3000W kit. It lists "outboard cartridge bearing" for the bottom bracket on that bike. Any ideas?

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matt912836   10 W

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Has anyone ever modified one of these yuyangking controllers for higher voltage? I have the black 72v 40a bluetooth controller, currently shunt modded for 50 amps peaks. I want to go 22s for a touch more RPMs. Basically I want it to be able to reach the speeds it achieves with flux weakening (3rd speed mode) but without having to deal with the inefficiency and extra current draw associated with flux weakening. This would also widen the powerband in each gear since you could then achieve those higher rpms with regular 100% speed. And while it does have 100v caps, when I try to feed it 21s or 22s it simply does not want to run. Would it be as simple as swapping out a resistor on the inside, or something much more complicated?

Tommm   10 kW

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I don't think 90v is the way to go, just shunt it to 60 or 70a. Afaik the 40 and the 60 are identical inside, and the 60 can be modded to 70-80.

matt912836   10 W

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Tommm wrote:
Aug 22 2019 5:24pm
I don't think 90v is the way to go, just shunt it to 60 or 70a. Afaik the 40 and the 60 are identical inside, and the 60 can be modded to 70-80.
I would do that but

A. My battery is already maxed at 50 amps. I could on the other hand add more in series but keep it at 50 amps for more power. 22s would be ~80v nominal for ~4000w. Not worried about the heat since I've modded my cyclone for forced air cooling with an external fan. Raising the voltage would also make it easier to reach higher speeds without relying on flux weakening, my main goal. I'm using bigger gears I'm already relying on high rpms for more power and torque rather than amps, so that higher voltage will equal higher available torque and wattage while keeping the same amount of max amps. I dont want to deal with any more mechanical stress from increasing amps

B. I'm still running the stock crank freewheel... which I've heard cant take much more amps than stock. How much power has anyone had luck with running through the stock crank freewheel? The last thing I want is a freewheel seizing causing my pedals to spin at motor RPMs while on the bike, already surprised its lived up to the abuse I throw at it...

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### Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Hi ez fix buy a big vesc

At 18s give you 150amp fix able to blow your motor. Fast

Spike of a 1000 amp from what i know .
I can use it

I faer go past 80amp with c 3000 and fan cooling.

I need ln2 more crazy shit. Sill saveing for cycone 4800 watt motor .

Good show the pic when you blow it. On es

gman1971   10 kW

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Wassup folks, long time no post... I see there is the ruthless pursuit of powa going on... pretty cool... 150 amps! How is the chain holding? insane power.

So, last year around March, after the winter subsided I realized I couldn't endure/fare another Wisconsin winter riding A-1, a full open cockpit trike just isn't meant to ride when temps hit -10F. Sure, you push through bundled up, etc, but you realize that no amount of clothing keeps you warm at 40mph, plus the salt was very hard on the exposed mechanics, etc... The point was that I needed something different... so I set out to build a new trike, codenamed: YA-3... I spent most of spring last year prototyping it in 3D Studio, testing ergonomics, etc. Here is how the 3D prototype looked like.

It took me the whole summer just to build it... and around mid-September last year it was ready for road trials. After a few controlled tests and some dry runs it looked very promising so I made the decision to phase out my A-1 trike, which at that time had ~10k miles on it. What I didn't realize tho, is that rushing YA-3 to full commuter duty proved to be the wrong decision. To put it in nice words: it had a lot of teething problems, lots of firsts on YA-3, so lots of bugs to work out and winter quickly approaching, by November it was cold enough outside I couldn't do much, so unfortunately I ended up spending most of the winter patching it up left and right just to keep it running (from falling apart), it wan't fun if you ask me; but at the beginning of summer this year I put A-1 back in commuter service for a couple of weeks and set out to fix all the problems I faced in YA-3... and now, its finally ready for prime time.

Introducing my latest Cyclone powered e-Trike: A-3, right next to the trike it replaced, the veteran with around 11k miles A-1B

Its made out of carbon fiber, aluminum tubes and lightweight pvc with coroplast. It has pretty much all the amenities of a car, keyless entry, illuminated approach, push-to-start button, accent interior lighting, VHF/UHF digital DMR radio, HUD with GPS and heated seat!!
The large glass cockpit was the hardest thing to do, I wanted the pedals, and me pedaling it to be very visible to everyone on the road; and that was the #1 design priority: build a trike around a glass cockpit so I could load it up with an unspecified amount of kilo-watts and never raise a flag. As of today it has 1738 miles GPS confirmed.

I have to say , its truly a blast to ride... feels like you're inside a fighter jet, and I also have a small shell that I can use to cover the top (but my helmet remains outside) for winter and when it rains... no more getting wet when driving in the rain... no more freezing my tail off when temps drop to -10F, and no more rusted everything in salt... and then, to put it in simple terms, it blows the doors off A-1 on every test we've thrown at it.

G.
I am all about high-speed, low-drag, mid-drives and gears...
A-3 trike, ?-kW, ??+ mph (Cyclone powered) Very fast, ludicrous speed fast...
A-1B trike, 6+kW, 65+mph (Cyclone powered): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFC8MRwvgUM
A-2A trike 3kW, 50mph (Cyclone powered): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNoqp0wl6Vo
eB-1C bike 3kW, 42mph (Cyclone powered): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_weSmz_h3Ig

SwampDonkey   100 W

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lukashanak wrote:
Aug 19 2019 3:37am
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IMG_20190819_081729-1008x756.jpg
Ultralight and narrow Cyclone 4000W
11/72 gearing, so gearbox is needless.
About 2kgs less weight compared to my previous setup.
So where did you find that 219 chainring and get it mounted? Really cool build!

gman1971   10 kW

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Tommm wrote:
Aug 19 2019 4:57am
Very good, I guess the cooling gets better too that way. I will go as far as saying this is the way the cyclones should have been sold from the start. You don't need 2 stages for this motor at all.
Well, you have to remember that these kits came out well over 5 years ago, the eBike landscape looked quite different then... the original kit was probably designed to be pedaled too, at about 100 RPM cadence or so... hence the planetary.
The 7500XL Cyclone has no planetary, that's probably the kit we all should've started with.. but...

G.
I am all about high-speed, low-drag, mid-drives and gears...
A-3 trike, ?-kW, ??+ mph (Cyclone powered) Very fast, ludicrous speed fast...
A-1B trike, 6+kW, 65+mph (Cyclone powered): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFC8MRwvgUM
A-2A trike 3kW, 50mph (Cyclone powered): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNoqp0wl6Vo
eB-1C bike 3kW, 42mph (Cyclone powered): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_weSmz_h3Ig

lukashanak   100 mW

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SwampDonkey wrote:
Sep 02 2019 4:40am

So where did you find that 219 chainring and get it mounted? Really cool build!
I wrote it a few posts before...
Its from Cycmotor X1 pro
Cyclone 4kW mid drive + Nucular 12F + 18s lipo = 9kW of fun

SwampDonkey   100 W

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lukashanak wrote:
Sep 02 2019 8:28am
SwampDonkey wrote:
Sep 02 2019 4:40am

So where did you find that 219 chainring and get it mounted? Really cool build!
I wrote it a few posts before...
Its from Cycmotor X1 pro

Oh cool, good idea! I guess its either that or the Lightning Rods 219 chainring. Would it be worth building a steel version? I have access to a CNC mill, and I can design in CAD/CAM. It can be done.

lukashanak   100 mW

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SwampDonkey wrote:
Sep 02 2019 2:35pm
lukashanak wrote:
Sep 02 2019 8:28am
SwampDonkey wrote:
Sep 02 2019 4:40am

So where did you find that 219 chainring and get it mounted? Really cool build!
I wrote it a few posts before...
Its from Cycmotor X1 pro

Oh cool, good idea! I guess its either that or the Lightning Rods 219 chainring. Would it be worth building a steel version? I have access to a CNC mill, and I can design in CAD/CAM. It can be done.
I have Cyc X1 Pro chain version at home for my brothers bike. So when I saw it... Lighting Rods didnt respond to my email. They have adapter for standart gocart sprockets so you have more options for sprocket than 53/63/72t. But Cycmotor have smaller motor sprocket 11t. And Cycmotor sprocket have 12mm hole and my 4kW cyclone have 10mm shaft. I welded 12mm hole and make new smaller.
Cyclone 4kW mid drive + Nucular 12F + 18s lipo = 9kW of fun

SwampDonkey   100 W

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lukashanak wrote:
Sep 02 2019 2:54pm
SwampDonkey wrote:
Sep 02 2019 2:35pm
lukashanak wrote:
Sep 02 2019 8:28am
SwampDonkey wrote:
Sep 02 2019 4:40am

So where did you find that 219 chainring and get it mounted? Really cool build!
I wrote it a few posts before...
Its from Cycmotor X1 pro

Oh cool, good idea! I guess its either that or the Lightning Rods 219 chainring. Would it be worth building a steel version? I have access to a CNC mill, and I can design in CAD/CAM. It can be done.
I have Cyc X1 Pro chain version at home for my brothers bike. So when I saw it... Lighting Rods didnt respond to my email. They have adapter for standart gocart sprockets so you have more options for sprocket than 53/63/72t. But Cycmotor have smaller motor sprocket 11t. And Cycmotor sprocket have 12mm hole and my 4kW cyclone have 10mm shaft. I welded 12mm hole and make new smaller.
I gotta steal your idea lol. Just looks bad ass and is probably more efficient after getting rid of that big planetary gearbox.

lukashanak   100 mW

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SwampDonkey wrote:
Sep 03 2019 1:55am
lukashanak wrote:
Sep 02 2019 2:54pm
SwampDonkey wrote:
Sep 02 2019 2:35pm
lukashanak wrote:
Sep 02 2019 8:28am

I wrote it a few posts before...
Its from Cycmotor X1 pro

Oh cool, good idea! I guess its either that or the Lightning Rods 219 chainring. Would it be worth building a steel version? I have access to a CNC mill, and I can design in CAD/CAM. It can be done.
I have Cyc X1 Pro chain version at home for my brothers bike. So when I saw it... Lighting Rods didnt respond to my email. They have adapter for standart gocart sprockets so you have more options for sprocket than 53/63/72t. But Cycmotor have smaller motor sprocket 11t. And Cycmotor sprocket have 12mm hole and my 4kW cyclone have 10mm shaft. I welded 12mm hole and make new smaller.
I gotta steal your idea lol. Just looks bad ass and is probably more efficient after getting rid of that big planetary gearbox.
It looks nice compact and I can use narrower BB. Cyclone 4kw have 178mm ISIS and now I have 148mm BB from cycmotor.
I ordered 72T, 11T, 219h chain and BB all from cycmotor. 143USD with shipping to CZ.
Cyclone 4kW mid drive + Nucular 12F + 18s lipo = 9kW of fun

SwampDonkey   100 W

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lukashanak wrote:
Sep 03 2019 2:34am
SwampDonkey wrote:
Sep 03 2019 1:55am
lukashanak wrote:
Sep 02 2019 2:54pm
SwampDonkey wrote:
Sep 02 2019 2:35pm

Oh cool, good idea! I guess its either that or the Lightning Rods 219 chainring. Would it be worth building a steel version? I have access to a CNC mill, and I can design in CAD/CAM. It can be done.
I have Cyc X1 Pro chain version at home for my brothers bike. So when I saw it... Lighting Rods didnt respond to my email. They have adapter for standart gocart sprockets so you have more options for sprocket than 53/63/72t. But Cycmotor have smaller motor sprocket 11t. And Cycmotor sprocket have 12mm hole and my 4kW cyclone have 10mm shaft. I welded 12mm hole and make new smaller.
I gotta steal your idea lol. Just looks bad ass and is probably more efficient after getting rid of that big planetary gearbox.
It looks nice compact and I can use narrower BB. Cyclone 4kw have 178mm ISIS and now I have 148mm BB from cycmotor.
I ordered 72T, 11T, 219h chain and BB all from cycmotor. 143USD with shipping to CZ.
How are the motor shaft bearings holding up? I know they're smaller than the ones on the original 20mm output shaft. I wonder if replacing them with ceramics or other high performance bearings would be a good idea. The LR single stage "big block" kit is somewhat similar.