New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by Popo15 » Jun 18 2019 2:49am

Hello good morning, please someone can help me, connection accelerator according to manual three colors orange, black and white, in KTLCD · I have orange, blue and black, what is the connection?





Thank you

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by AZUR » Jun 18 2019 4:23am

Hi,

Can you please help me.

I'm going to buy a new TSDZ2 motor.

I will use this motor to remove parts to replace the parts that would fail in the engine that I have installed.

From what I read, a few months ago, the TSDZ2 motors that are now being manufactured have new gears.

Do you know of any seller in Aliexpress that has these new engines?

Do you also know if both 36V and 48V motors have the new gears?

I'm going to buy a 48V motor.

I think the controller is the same on the 36V and 48V motor? Do you confirm?

Thanks

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by casainho » Jun 18 2019 4:33am

Popo15 wrote:
Jun 18 2019 2:49am
Hello good morning, please someone can help me, connection accelerator according to manual three colors orange, black and white, in KTLCD · I have orange, blue and black, what is the connection?
See the wiki page of Wire KT LCD3 to TSDZ2:
https://github.com/OpenSource-EBike-fir ... 3-to-TSDZ2
Developer of the Flexible OpenSource firmware for EBike motor controllers (TSDZ2 and KT) and LCDs (KT-LCD3 and Bafang 850C color LCD).

If you like my work, please consider making a donation. I am being using the donations to buy needed resources for my developments. My paypal: casainho AT gmail.com.

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by casainho » Jun 18 2019 4:34am

AZUR wrote:
Jun 18 2019 4:23am
Hi,

Can you please help me.

I'm going to buy a new TSDZ2 motor.

I will use this motor to remove parts to replace the parts that would fail in the engine that I have installed.

From what I read, a few months ago, the TSDZ2 motors that are now being manufactured have new gears.

Do you know of any seller in Aliexpress that has these new engines?

Do you also know if both 36V and 48V motors have the new gears?

I'm going to buy a 48V motor.

I think the controller is the same on the 36V and 48V motor? Do you confirm?

Thanks
You have some information on wiki TSDZ2 FAQ about the gears and the controller:

https://github.com/OpenSource-EBike-fir ... i/wiki/FAQ
Developer of the Flexible OpenSource firmware for EBike motor controllers (TSDZ2 and KT) and LCDs (KT-LCD3 and Bafang 850C color LCD).

If you like my work, please consider making a donation. I am being using the donations to buy needed resources for my developments. My paypal: casainho AT gmail.com.

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by btslo » Jun 18 2019 4:51am

Cristian wrote:
Jun 18 2019 2:43am



When i stop pedalling, the motor still spins for a 1-2 seconds. Is that normal? Is it related to the beta 2? Maybe it is something that was fixed in beta8 or should i downgrade to v0.18.2?
Same on beta 8. Didn't use 0.18.x versions so don't know if those also have the issue, might try downgrading.

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by csbike » Jun 18 2019 4:55am

Cristian wrote:
Jun 18 2019 2:43am

The Open Source Firmware helps with the blue gear, because it has a 5A per second ramp up, so it is better in this case than the stock firmware. The blue gear will last a lot longer.
Awesome! Thanks a lot!
I am going to try the new firmware as soon as I get my hands on the required components. Actually, can someone please help me with this from the wiki?

- Get a spare controller $30 from PSWPower and use the cables, seems best value as you will have a spare controller pcb

If I understand this refers to buying this
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/Tongshen ... 13972.html
in order to recycle the connector.
Yet the what I need is the female connector on the display side, not the controller's male connector, right?

Can't I just recycle the connector that comes from my existing VLCD5?

thanks

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by AZUR » Jun 18 2019 5:15am

casainho wrote:
Jun 18 2019 4:34am
AZUR wrote:
Jun 18 2019 4:23am
Hi,

Can you please help me.

I'm going to buy a new TSDZ2 motor.

I will use this motor to remove parts to replace the parts that would fail in the engine that I have installed.

From what I read, a few months ago, the TSDZ2 motors that are now being manufactured have new gears.

Do you know of any seller in Aliexpress that has these new engines?

Do you also know if both 36V and 48V motors have the new gears?

I'm going to buy a 48V motor.

I think the controller is the same on the 36V and 48V motor? Do you confirm?

Thanks
You have some information on wiki TSDZ2 FAQ about the gears and the controller:

https://github.com/OpenSource-EBike-fir ... i/wiki/FAQ
Thanks Casainho.

I will see.

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by btslo » Jun 18 2019 6:33am

csbike wrote:
Jun 18 2019 4:55am
Cristian wrote:
Jun 18 2019 2:43am

The Open Source Firmware helps with the blue gear, because it has a 5A per second ramp up, so it is better in this case than the stock firmware. The blue gear will last a lot longer.
Awesome! Thanks a lot!
I am going to try the new firmware as soon as I get my hands on the required components. Actually, can someone please help me with this from the wiki?

- Get a spare controller $30 from PSWPower and use the cables, seems best value as you will have a spare controller pcb

If I understand this refers to buying this
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/Tongshen ... 13972.html
in order to recycle the connector.
Yet the what I need is the female connector on the display side, not the controller's male connector, right?

Can't I just recycle the connector that comes from my existing VLCD5?

thanks
You can cut off the VLCD5 connector. Or use the one that came with the lights splitter cable. (but you need to cut it open and only use the pins since it only has 2 wires installed)

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by jimmyfergus » Jun 18 2019 8:28am

Hi All - I just fitted a TSDZ2/48V, all stock & standard, but it appears to be defective. All appears well, but I get no significant assist at any level, but the motor is trying to do something. The throttle makes the chainwheel turn very slowly and gently. I made a video. Is this a known failure mode?

I'm looking forward to moving to the FOSS firmware, but first I need a working unit. I'm in a frustrating struggle right now to get some customer service from PSWPower.

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by dameri » Jun 18 2019 8:42am

jimmyfergus wrote:
Jun 18 2019 8:28am
Hi All - I just fitted a TSDZ2/48V, all stock & standard, but it appears to be defective. All appears well, but I get no significant assist at any level, but the motor is trying to do something. The throttle makes the chainwheel turn very slowly and gently. I made a video. Is this a known failure mode?

I'm looking forward to moving to the FOSS firmware, but first I need a working unit. I'm in a frustrating struggle right now to get some customer service from PSWPower.
Maby speed sensor is too near hub, try to move it and speed sensor and magnet gap is important too.

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by csbike » Jun 18 2019 8:52am

btslo wrote:
Jun 18 2019 6:33am
Or use the one that came with the lights splitter cable. (but you need to cut it open and only use the pins since it only has 2 wires installed)
That's also a good idea, but does the connector have the pins or just the holes? Have you or anyone else tried this solution? Are there pictures?

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by jimmyfergus » Jun 18 2019 9:28am

dameri wrote:
Jun 18 2019 8:42am
Maby speed sensor is too near hub, try to move it and speed sensor and magnet gap is important too.
I should definitely experiment with that, but can that be a problem even if I'm seeing good speed readings? AFAICT I always see an appropriate speed.

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by AZUR » Jun 18 2019 9:55am

AZUR wrote:
Jun 18 2019 5:15am
casainho wrote:
Jun 18 2019 4:34am
AZUR wrote:
Jun 18 2019 4:23am
Hi,

Can you please help me.

I'm going to buy a new TSDZ2 motor.

I will use this motor to remove parts to replace the parts that would fail in the engine that I have installed.

From what I read, a few months ago, the TSDZ2 motors that are now being manufactured have new gears.

Do you know of any seller in Aliexpress that has these new engines?

Do you also know if both 36V and 48V motors have the new gears?

I'm going to buy a 48V motor.

I think the controller is the same on the 36V and 48V motor? Do you confirm?

Thanks
You have some information on wiki TSDZ2 FAQ about the gears and the controller:

https://github.com/OpenSource-EBike-fir ... i/wiki/FAQ
Thanks Casainho.

I will see.
Thanks Casainho. I already read the github and I was completely clear. The github is very important and it is very well done.

Thank you

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by btslo » Jun 18 2019 12:35pm

csbike wrote:
Jun 18 2019 8:52am
btslo wrote:
Jun 18 2019 6:33am
Or use the one that came with the lights splitter cable. (but you need to cut it open and only use the pins since it only has 2 wires installed)
That's also a good idea, but does the connector have the pins or just the holes? Have you or anyone else tried this solution? Are there pictures?
It has the pins, I soldered the wires from KTLCD3 to the pins and it works without problem. (used heatshrink and electric tape on the connector and it holds strong)

https://i.imgur.com/LbQBLIb.jpg

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by mittkonto » Jun 18 2019 1:22pm

jimmyfergus wrote:
Jun 18 2019 8:28am
Hi All - I just fitted a TSDZ2/48V, all stock & standard, but it appears to be defective. All appears well, but I get no significant assist at any level, but the motor is trying to do something. The throttle makes the chainwheel turn very slowly and gently. I made a video. Is this a known failure mode?

I'm looking forward to moving to the FOSS firmware, but first I need a working unit. I'm in a frustrating struggle right now to get some customer service from PSWPower.
Hi!

Sorry, unrelated question about your video; I couldn't help noticing your bike light...

How is it working out for you?

I have also bought the same light, have not been able to test it though..
However, I did ask around, and there seem to be some indication that the system would not be able to provide enough oomph.

Would really appreciate if you could straighten out this question-mark for me!
Thanks a bunch!

(For anyone raking the forums down the lane; Busch + Müller IQ-X E )
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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by hefest » Jun 18 2019 1:24pm

csbike wrote:
Jun 18 2019 4:55am
Cristian wrote:
Jun 18 2019 2:43am

The Open Source Firmware helps with the blue gear, because it has a 5A per second ramp up, so it is better in this case than the stock firmware. The blue gear will last a lot longer.
Awesome! Thanks a lot!
I am going to try the new firmware as soon as I get my hands on the required components. Actually, can someone please help me with this from the wiki?

- Get a spare controller $30 from PSWPower and use the cables, seems best value as you will have a spare controller pcb

If I understand this refers to buying this
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/Tongshen ... 13972.html
in order to recycle the connector.
Yet the what I need is the female connector on the display side, not the controller's male connector, right?

Can't I just recycle the connector that comes from my existing VLCD5?

thanks
I was confused as well with what FAQ says. I think that version of controller without throttle is using the same type of connector as speed sensor, that's why spare controller was suggested (I might be wrong).
At the moment the best option with vldc5 in my opinion is:
Spare speed sensor with single connector for tsdz2 flashing.
Cut off the wire near vlcd5 and solder directly kt-lcd3 and brake sensors.

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by hefest » Jun 18 2019 4:49pm

I got myself pair of these Bafang magnetic brake sensors to use with Opensource firmware, but now I see that these have 3 wires instead of 2.

Any idea if this type of sensors actually uses 3 wires?

US $9.20 | BAFANG Hydraulic Brake Sensor BBS01 BBS02 BBSHD Brake Sensor
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/cEOSbpgM
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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by csbike » Jun 18 2019 5:04pm

btslo wrote:
Jun 18 2019 12:35pm
csbike wrote:
Jun 18 2019 8:52am
btslo wrote:
Jun 18 2019 6:33am
Or use the one that came with the lights splitter cable. (but you need to cut it open and only use the pins since it only has 2 wires installed)
That's also a good idea, but does the connector have the pins or just the holes? Have you or anyone else tried this solution? Are there pictures?
It has the pins, I soldered the wires from KTLCD3 to the pins and it works without problem. (used heatshrink and electric tape on the connector and it holds strong)

https://i.imgur.com/LbQBLIb.jpg
Not sure it would work for me, as I have a throttle version, so 8 pins. However, does this setup work for flashing the TSDZ2? it should, shouldn't it?

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by jimmyfergus » Jun 18 2019 6:40pm

mittkonto wrote:
Jun 18 2019 1:22pm
Sorry, unrelated question about your video; I couldn't help noticing your bike light...

How is it working out for you? ([...] Busch + Müller IQ-X E)
I'm little use to you on driving it I'm afraid, as mine is the dynamo-driven (non-ebike) version of the light: the IQ-X.

I can tell you that I love my light and the E-bike version is 50% brighter. I've used mine for about the last 2 years for commuting/transportation riding. It feels like a moped light.

As with all German StVZO regulation lights it has a controlled beam pattern like a motor vehicle's dipped/low-beam, i.e. it has a sharp horizontal cutoff so it lights the road and ahead but doesn't shine in people's eyes or waste light on the sky and trees. They achieve the control by aiming the LED emitter backwards at a reflector as car lights do, rather than forwards through a diffracting optic as cruder LED lights do.

As such is definitely an on-road light. When I rode a nearby unlit path at night distant pedestrians ahead appear as disembodied legs because their body is unlit, and I got tapped on the head by tree branches I didn't see coming.

However since it's not wasting light on the sky, it's very efficient and bright where it does shine. It also has wide-directional visibility LEDs for daytime.

I also have the B&M Secula rear light which is very neat and quite bright too. Since German law requires generator lights to StVZO reg on all road bikes, buying them from Germany can be much less expensive, at least compared to US prices

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by mctubster » Jun 18 2019 7:37pm

mittkonto wrote:
Jun 18 2019 1:22pm

However, I did ask around, and there seem to be some indication that the system would not be able to provide enough oomph.

Would really appreciate if you could straighten out this question-mark for me!
Thanks a bunch!

(For anyone raking the forums down the lane; Busch + Müller IQ-X E )
I just bought this Busch + Müller Lumotec IQ Cyo Premium E Front Light for E-Bikes - 1752Q42/6N

I will be documenting the installation using a MOSFET to switch / power it. It has left Germany, so expect it next week down here in NZ.

Cheers

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by btslo » Jun 19 2019 2:48am

csbike wrote:
Jun 18 2019 5:04pm
btslo wrote:
Jun 18 2019 12:35pm
csbike wrote:
Jun 18 2019 8:52am
btslo wrote:
Jun 18 2019 6:33am
Or use the one that came with the lights splitter cable. (but you need to cut it open and only use the pins since it only has 2 wires installed)
That's also a good idea, but does the connector have the pins or just the holes? Have you or anyone else tried this solution? Are there pictures?
It has the pins, I soldered the wires from KTLCD3 to the pins and it works without problem. (used heatshrink and electric tape on the connector and it holds strong)

https://i.imgur.com/LbQBLIb.jpg
Not sure it would work for me, as I have a throttle version, so 8 pins. However, does this setup work for flashing the TSDZ2? it should, shouldn't it?
Not sure for 8pin, that probably won't work no.

You can flash the motor directly with the cables supplied with STlink, just take off the plastic on one side and heatshrink the connectors and you can plug them directly into motor pins. (only need 3 for flashing anyways)

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by csbike » Jun 19 2019 5:16am

btslo wrote:
Jun 19 2019 2:48am
csbike wrote:
Jun 18 2019 5:04pm
btslo wrote:
Jun 18 2019 12:35pm
csbike wrote:
Jun 18 2019 8:52am

That's also a good idea, but does the connector have the pins or just the holes? Have you or anyone else tried this solution? Are there pictures?
It has the pins, I soldered the wires from KTLCD3 to the pins and it works without problem. (used heatshrink and electric tape on the connector and it holds strong)

https://i.imgur.com/LbQBLIb.jpg
Not sure it would work for me, as I have a throttle version, so 8 pins. However, does this setup work for flashing the TSDZ2? it should, shouldn't it?
Not sure for 8pin, that probably won't work no.

You can flash the motor directly with the cables supplied with STlink, just take off the plastic on one side and heatshrink the connectors and you can plug them directly into motor pins. (only need 3 for flashing anyways)
mmm, do you mean make female connectors out of the heatshrink? will this be reliable? I would not like to brick the motor by flashing half a firmware.


what I was thinking of is the following setup.
connect the output of the STlinkV2 to the male connector of the light cable (probably need to cut the connector open and solder pins individually). Then connect this connector to one of the female connectors on the Y splitter, and connect the other female connector to the motor. Will this work for flashing? If it does I can avoid buying an extra speed sensor.


Thanks
[edited because I had misunderstood the flashing setup]

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by btslo » Jun 19 2019 6:36am

This works without problems for me:

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=93818&p=1436645&hi ... e#p1436645

Doubt you can brick the motor by losing connection temporarily. (but there might be a chance)

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by csbike » Jun 19 2019 6:45am

This works without problems for me:

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=93818&p=1436645&hi ... e#p1436645

Doubt you can brick the motor by losing connection temporarily. (but there might be a chance)
looks pretty good, but how did you make the "female connector" part? There's heatshrink but you also have hollow metal around it.

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Re: New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

Post by csbike » Jun 19 2019 6:47am

csbike wrote:
Jun 19 2019 6:45am
This works without problems for me:

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=93818&p=1436645&hi ... e#p1436645

Doubt you can brick the motor by losing connection temporarily. (but there might be a chance)
looks pretty good, but how did you make the "female connector" part? There's heatshrink but you also have hollow metal around it.
I got it, it is the end of the dupont connector. But is it tight enough around the pins?

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