Are you the dealer?
Does it affect the sale price?
For sure - I'm really interested in seeing how this idea would be executed. For me, the pedals only serve as a "looky-looky" deterrent for park rangers and local police. I keep it EP mode and obey all bike-specific laws when riding on the streets and trails, so I don't feel as if I'm being a nuisance riding it in the local canyons or around the bay on the bike paths (unlike the people ripping around on the Lime and Bird scooters). I save the hooligan stuff for east county truck trails, fire roads, and deserts.fechter wrote: ↑Aug 16 2018 3:40pmThat sounds a bit more practical but not sure if it would meet the legal requirements everywhere. Wording varies a lot on these regulations. For USA federal definition, it says "fully operable pedals". In some it just says the motor can't run unless you are pedaling. In this case, the pedals only have to interface to the controller and not really supply any power.
It is unlikely you could make it run by pedal power alone, but this seems to be unnecessary in most cases.
A pedal generator would be much more flexible in the mounting and not screw up the gearing or chain line.
AFAIK the imposed EU tax on chinese e-bikes does not affect mopeds so from where I stand I am certain prices will not be jacked up on the road legal Sur Run, as it is no longer an e-bike but a legal moped from China in which there are no added taxes at the moment.
No papers? Who are making the bikes legal, without manufacturer COC, CE etc that task of getting license plates and road legal moped registration will be much harder. Are you sure about this? As I read about the road legal EU version earlier the moped 45 km/h was a collaboration between Sur Ron and one or more of their EU dealers. So for Sur Ron to ship without any paperwork would not make the convertion any easier. Do you have a source for this information, as that could mean 86% increase in price due to the new EU taxation of Chinese e-bikes.Tommm wrote: ↑Aug 16 2018 8:04pm
From what I have read, there is no collaboration between sur ron and the importers as far as making it street legal goes. There is a rear brake light and license plate holder on the "legal" marketed ones and that's it. The EU sellers just say it is equipped to be made legal where it is able to be registered as a moped by yourself.macribs wrote: ↑Aug 16 2018 8:47pmNo papers? Who are making the bikes legal, without manufacturer COC, CE etc that task of getting license plates and road legal moped registration will be much harder. Are you sure about this? As I read about the road legal EU version earlier the moped 45 km/h was a collaboration between Sur Ron and one or more of their EU dealers. So for Sur Ron to ship without any paperwork would not make the convertion any easier. Do you have a source for this information, as that could mean 86% increase in price due to the new EU taxation of Chinese e-bikes.
If Sur Ron will not back this, may i suggest for the dealers to have the bikes leave factory without being assembled, and declare it as various parts? I am sure even with dealers charging hourly rate to put the bikes together it would still be cheaper then if they are slapped with the new EU tax.
Wheelies are very easy once you cut the brake sensor, so you have nothing to worry about that. Once you decide to cut the wire though you should worry more about your safety since riding becomes more dangerous if you aren't experienced enough.
Did you miss my comparison videos where I go up a steep hill with hubs and sur-ron? This bike completely destroys hubs in off road. With my hub and ferro I have to wait before cooling but during the whole summer I could not overheat the sur-ron. It feels so good that you can wack the throttle without thinking about stuff like temp.Offroader wrote: ↑Aug 16 2018 9:48pmCan anyone comment how well and how difficult it is to wheelie this bike?
I've heard mid-drives because of lag in the chain and drive train or something like that, make it difficult to wheelie. I am wondering how difficult it is to wheelie this bike compared to a hub motored bike.
One other question, how quickly does the motor overheat on this thing? Is it as quick as a hub motored bike when riding off road? Do you find yourself having to take breaks for the motor to cool off?
Which version exactly, and about how much will it cost?
Alex, at this point do you think its worth waiting for the X version? This is what I'm thinking because I already have a capable ebike it is worth waiting. I really want a controller with sine wave and also with field weakening. I don't know if the current version has field weakening, but field weakening is such an important feature. It seems they are also updating a bunch of other stuff and putting graphics on the bikes?Allex wrote: ↑Aug 17 2018 9:33amOur price is 46000SEK/around 4400EUR
Yes - X version is still delayed, they have problems with the sine-wave controllers on them. Regen does not always engage and fail rate of the new controllers is too high. They are trying to fix the bugs. It is a bummer because the stock ones works flawlessly, same goes for our test samples that are sine-wave.
X has GPS tracker as well, but all software is still in Chinese, so it is something they are working on as well.
Yeah, regen on the levers is not the best but it is an easy fix, just add a button and connect the wires to it instead! Just like on Stealth bikes and similar. And front tire is an easy change to a regular MTB. I love MTB tyres on my hubbies however you feel so much more confidence with moped up front that I never looked back. Also a 6kW mid has a lot more grunt compared to my 8kW hub setup. I would say it is more similar(Torque during climbs) to my old 13kW hub setup. I think we should compare our hubs to this one as how you compare a sports-car with power ful trucks, both can be fast but depending on the environment. A hub will smash sur-ron on a paved road, but will instantly lag behind it in the woods.
Our new batch of offroad bikes will have updated seats, o-ring chain and new style brakes and perhaps even front fenders.
EU bikes will have same old components that are out now, this is because all certificates are made specifically for the old hardware.
It is possible to get the new controllers, however the factory does not offer any warranty on them yet, because they are still not 100% finished.
Nice, I was thinking about the blue color. Are you happy with the blue in person or think maybe you should have gone different?
I flattened both tires shortly after this pic was taken on a ride a while back, I rode (very carefully) 6 miles back to camp. To my surprise, on a couple of scratches on the rims, no flat spots. this was with the stock tiresOffroader wrote: ↑Aug 17 2018 10:46am
I just don't know what you would do if you get a flat with a motorcycle tire, can you drive on it with a flat? When I get a flat with my 17" 3.00" shinko 241 motorcycle tire, I just ride with it for miles with no issues, I wonder if that would be the same with the 70/100 tires the Sur-ron has.
It looks great in real life. Very deep coloring. Blue is my favorite color anyway.
I'm going to repost. Hopefully that's not rude. The price on this seems OK. I'm not a fan of the motorguard part but I could cut it off. Just want to know if it will hold up. I destroyed stock one in the first week and have been riding carefully since then.