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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 05 2018 8:23am
by fasjohnny
Here is a 100% copy of the standard engine guard but made in steel! The weight is 700grams.

Its currently being powder coated in black so it will look exactly the same as the original one. :D

If anyone is interested to get one just send me a PM.


Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 06 2018 7:52am
by knoxie
That looks better than Lunas effort! (which to be fair was likely a prototype) nice work.

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 06 2018 2:13pm
by Rix
fasjohnny wrote:
Jul 05 2018 8:23am
Here is a 100% copy of the standard engine guard but made in steel! The weight is 700grams.

Its currently being powder coated in black so it will look exactly the same as the original one. :D

If anyone is interested to get one just send me a PM.

Looks tough!

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 06 2018 4:16pm
by racingame
No black rough coating? You got the unrefined product straight from factory?

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 07 2018 6:21am
by fasjohnny
racingame wrote:
Jul 06 2018 4:16pm
No black rough coating? You got the unrefined product straight from factory?
"Its currently being powder coated in black so it will look exactly the same as the original one."

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 07 2018 1:41pm
by kitaoka
I have posted my personal experience and changes with my Sur Ron along with a review of the Fisher FabHouse Ultra 3200 lumen LED headlight.
http://www.markkitaoka.com/latest-news/ ... una-cycle/
http://www.markkitaoka.com/latest-news/ ... v-version/

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 07 2018 9:41pm
by RemoteRoad
Have around 175miles on my Firefly. Have enjoyed it, the bit that I've used it.

So, do we know if we're going to get the X-version with its sine wave controller in the US through Luna with certainty? Time frame?

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 07 2018 9:57pm
by efMX Trials Electric Freeride
RemoteRoad wrote:
Jul 07 2018 9:41pm
Have around 175miles on my Firefly. Have enjoyed it, the bit that I've used it.

So, do we know if we're going to get the X-version with its sine wave controller in the US through Luna with certainty? Time frame?
from what I've seen so far, Sur-ron model X is only available from dealers in China (for now?) ..

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 07 2018 10:57pm
by Rix
kitaoka wrote:
Jul 07 2018 1:41pm
I have posted my personal experience and changes with my Sur Ron along with a review of the Fisher FabHouse Ultra 3200 lumen LED headlight.
http://www.markkitaoka.com/latest-news/ ... una-cycle/
http://www.markkitaoka.com/latest-news/ ... v-version/
Just read your post, very nice review and outline of the mods you made to your Sur-Ron. Don't be afraid to post those details here. Its what this thread is for.

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 07 2018 11:31pm
by kitaoka
Thanks I was not sure if that would be appropriate.

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 08 2018 1:06am
by Aebrennan
efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Jul 07 2018 9:57pm
RemoteRoad wrote:
Jul 07 2018 9:41pm
Have around 175miles on my Firefly. Have enjoyed it, the bit that I've used it.

So, do we know if we're going to get the X-version with its sine wave controller in the US through Luna with certainty? Time frame?
from what I've seen so far, Sur-ron model X is only available from dealers in China (for now?) ..
Aebikes.com.au has managed to order sine wave controllers as spare parts, and is currently waiting on confirmation for ordering sine wave controller fitted bikes.

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 08 2018 1:22am
by Marksteamnz
kitaoka wrote:
Jul 07 2018 1:41pm
I have posted my personal experience and changes with my Sur Ron along with a review of the Fisher FabHouse Ultra 3200 lumen LED headlight.
http://www.markkitaoka.com/latest-news/ ... una-cycle/
http://www.markkitaoka.com/latest-news/ ... v-version/
Thanks for sharing this. I bought a Thule bike rack as well (mines a 925) but did struggle a bit to get the Light Bee on. Your comment on removing the battery when the Bee is being put up and on the rack was a f**k me moment, so obvious!! So why didn't I think of it. Doh! Anyway thanks for the tip. Keen to get out and riding trails.

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 08 2018 11:19am
by RemoteRoad
Aebrennan wrote:
Jul 08 2018 1:06am
Aebikes.com.au has managed to order sine wave controllers as spare parts, and is currently waiting on confirmation for ordering sine wave controller fitted bikes.
Very nice! Thanks a lot! How solid are the reports on lower drivetrain noise (how much lower?) and increased power from the new controller? Any of the other changes confirmed?

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 08 2018 7:18pm
by Rix
RemoteRoad wrote:
Jul 08 2018 11:19am
Aebrennan wrote:
Jul 08 2018 1:06am
Aebikes.com.au has managed to order sine wave controllers as spare parts, and is currently waiting on confirmation for ordering sine wave controller fitted bikes.
Very nice! Thanks a lot! How solid are the reports on lower drivetrain noise (how much lower?) and increased power from the new controller? Any of the other changes confirmed?
a few pages back, Allex confirmed the new controller increased out put power quite a bit.

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 09 2018 4:24pm
by stonezone
Does anyone know the HVC of the stock controller? it's happy with 16s, but will it take 18s, 20s? I dont want to start upping the voltage until I see the magic smoke...

Also,l wonder the same about the new SW controller.. I have way too many 5 and 6s lipos laying around.

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 09 2018 4:32pm
by n2mb
stonezone wrote:
Jul 09 2018 4:24pm
Does anyone know the HVC of the stock controller? it's happy with 16s, but will it take 18s, 20s? I dont want to start upping the voltage until I see the magic smoke...

Also,l wonder the same about the new SW controller.. I have way too many 5 and 6s lipos laying around.
I was wondering how Luna is pushing a claimed 700 amps in their Sur Ron test bike. It wouldn't be possible with Li-ion. I'm guessing they swapped out the battery for LiPos and a different controller.

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 09 2018 6:53pm
by stonezone
i know initially they modified the BMS (in this thread) and used the ASI controller. figure still same asi controller plus maybe a battery upgrade? Amazing that the motor can handle (well, almost could... wonder if they figured out if it was the phase or not)...

Im waiting on the new controller, and really have been enjoying having something stock for a change, otherwise i'd have swapped the controller a while back... the initial power fresh off the charger is nice, add few more V and i'm a happy camper. I also think I can feel a bit more torque running the multistars vs the stock pack but I cant honestly say for sure. seems like the wheel comes up easier, thats my duno.

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 09 2018 9:18pm
by fechter
n2mb wrote:
Jul 09 2018 4:32pm
I was wondering how Luna is pushing a claimed 700 amps in their Sur Ron test bike. It wouldn't be possible with Li-ion. I'm guessing they swapped out the battery for LiPos and a different controller.
They were not using the stock battery. I'm not sure what it was, but it was made for high discharge rate and was sagging quite a bit.

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 10 2018 4:45am
by madin88
fechter wrote:
Jul 09 2018 9:18pm
n2mb wrote:
Jul 09 2018 4:32pm
I was wondering how Luna is pushing a claimed 700 amps in their Sur Ron test bike. It wouldn't be possible with Li-ion. I'm guessing they swapped out the battery for LiPos and a different controller.
They were not using the stock battery. I'm not sure what it was, but it was made for high discharge rate and was sagging quite a bit.
At first they used same pack design but with 30Q cells (which was sagging too much), and later they were using LiPos from what i know.

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 10 2018 11:32am
by Allex
Allex wrote:
May 19 2018 1:30pm
Allex wrote:
May 15 2018 2:41pm


Just to show you guys what this hill is about, I made a clip with other hub motorised bikes for comparison, maybe its easier to see how tough it is for a hub motor in this particular terrain. I was actually a bit surprised that they did not handle it...
It also shows how much effective the sur-ron is with its setup, kinda blown away how good it is :mrgreen:


New video with the updated controller, same hill. You can see how much faster she climbs at 2:00. Will prolly do a third one with a max-e and mxus3k, same hill. But that is not until the end of the summer.

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 10 2018 12:36pm
by Tommm
Allex wrote:
Jul 10 2018 11:32am
New video with the updated controller, same hill. You can see how much faster she climbs at 2:00. Will prolly do a third one with a max-e and mxus3k, same hill. But that is not until the end of the summer.

Post this on the endless sphere facebook group, I wanna see the hub guys go insane over it. :lol: :lol:

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 10 2018 12:49pm
by Allex
They will just claim that their bikes can do this - no prob!
Thing is, this is not just any hill, it is one with very loose surface and you have to start right at the foot of the incline, not attacking it from high speed. Cuz, any bike can do a 30 degree hill if it is hard packed dirt and you attack it with some speed.

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 10 2018 1:10pm
by BCTECH
the good side of hub drive is the top high speed and quietness
pure off road mid drive wins :D

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 10 2018 1:14pm
by Allex
Well, it already does 80km/h on 16s(16!!!) with new controller. But yeah, the noise is the only negative aspect of the machine.

Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Posted: Jul 10 2018 1:23pm
by n2mb
Allex wrote:
Jul 10 2018 1:14pm
Well, it already does 80km/h on 16s(16!!!) with new controller. But yeah, the noise is the only negative aspect of the machine.
That's interesting. 50 mph On the stock gear ratio?