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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by macribs » Sep 12 2018 4:10pm

The ol' v-box should work, probably dirt cheap on e-bay. Or if you don't mind spending a couple of hundreds on better units you can take a look at the dragy performance meter. It got a great mobile app too. And if you are willing to go all in there are race loggers too. But many of those also log all kinds of engine parameters too so you need to find one that only do gps logging so you can have drag time, reaction time, 1/8 +1/4 time etc. I haven't run the dragy myself but I saw one on a vw beetle meet this summer. Easy to use and you get instant data to your phone.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by racingame » Sep 13 2018 10:09pm

Does anybody know what component is the limiting factor on the Light Bee EU homologated version? I'd like to know if you have to swap out the battery, the controller or both to get it to work like the normal offroad version.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Sep 13 2018 10:28pm

racingame wrote:
Sep 13 2018 10:09pm
Does anybody know what component is the limiting factor on the Light Bee EU homologated version? I'd like to know if you have to swap out the battery, the controller or both to get it to work like the normal offroad version.
light bee L1e version is "wire restricted" .. so full power and both power settings can be "derestricted" by simply cutting the limit wire (similar to stealth) ..

reference : viewtopic.php?f=31&t=61259&p=1379383#p1379383
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by urbanmoto » Sep 14 2018 4:11pm

efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Sep 13 2018 10:28pm
racingame wrote:
Sep 13 2018 10:09pm
Does anybody know what component is the limiting factor on the Light Bee EU homologated version? I'd like to know if you have to swap out the battery, the controller or both to get it to work like the normal offroad version.
light bee L1e version is "wire restricted" .. so full power and both power settings can be "derestricted" by simply cutting the limit wire (similar to stealth) ..

reference : viewtopic.php?f=31&t=61259&p=1379383#p1379383
Hi we received the first 20 units yesterday in UK , the bikes actually come with the wire cut and restricted to 45 kmph, but simply joining the wires next to the battery connector block gives you speed 75kmph + straight away , so ride legally on the road as a moped and in 10 seconds switch to full bore for off road fun https://instagram.com/p/Bnt328Vh44M/
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Allex » Sep 14 2018 4:59pm

urbanmoto wrote:
Sep 14 2018 4:11pm
efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Sep 13 2018 10:28pm
racingame wrote:
Sep 13 2018 10:09pm
Does anybody know what component is the limiting factor on the Light Bee EU homologated version? I'd like to know if you have to swap out the battery, the controller or both to get it to work like the normal offroad version.
light bee L1e version is "wire restricted" .. so full power and both power settings can be "derestricted" by simply cutting the limit wire (similar to stealth) ..

reference : viewtopic.php?f=31&t=61259&p=1379383#p1379383
Hi we received the first 20 units yesterday in UK , the bikes actually come with the wire cut and restricted to 45 kmph, but simply joining the wires next to the battery connector block gives you speed 75kmph + straight away , so ride legally on the road as a moped and in 10 seconds switch to full bore for off road fun https://instagram.com/p/Bnt328Vh44M/
Got yours fitted with xcontroller as standard or was it optional?

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Post by Alex Imreh » Sep 15 2018 12:57am

macribs wrote:
Sep 12 2018 4:10pm
The ol' v-box should work, probably dirt cheap on e-bay. Or if you don't mind spending a couple of hundreds on better units you can take a look at the dragy performance meter. It got a great mobile app too. And if you are willing to go all in there are race loggers too. But many of those also log all kinds of engine parameters too so you need to find one that only do gps logging so you can have drag time, reaction time, 1/8 +1/4 time etc. I haven't run the dragy myself but I saw one on a vw beetle meet this summer. Easy to use and you get instant data to your phone.
I understand that phone accelerometers are not good enough to do this job? The hardware you suggested does not seem cheep for me. Now most important advatage of EVs compared with gas vehicles is acceleration. A 5kw ebike can accelerate faster than a sport ebike. It is a pity that this thing is not advertised, shared enough. Many ebike builders are power hogs, they brag about acceleration / speed but they can not show numbers to prove performance. To compare ebikes we need APPs like strava.com to show speed on trails/uphills, to prove range, i think we need a tool that many owners builders of ebikes around the world can share to compare their ebikes.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R ... t&_sacat=0
https://www.n54tuning.com/dragy-gps-bas ... meter.html

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by macribs » Sep 15 2018 2:37pm

Hard to tell if the app in your phone is correct or not. I remember a couple of years back we tested an android app vs a race logger just for fun. Every run was different on the phone vs the race logger. And it was not consistent either. Sometimes the times was showing too little other times too much. And if you do acceleration tests not only does each second counts, but each tenth of second and sometimes even hundred of a second.

That app used the build in gps in phone hardware iirc. But it is two or three years ago no so things might have changed. Maybe app is better now, maybe hardware is better. You can only know by testing. Or look for such an app and see if other has tested the app and see what they say about accuracy. If it ain't right about the times it is a waste of time and money.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by ryan1685 » Sep 17 2018 3:04pm

I have heard of companies all over the world taking delivery of the X model sur rons in mass quantities, but have yet to hear about one place in North America that has done the same. I really want to buy one of these but do not want the Older Luna version. Has anyone had any luck getting one of these shipped from places like tmall or Taobao or a local dealer here in North America. I am starting to lose interest in this product because it is so damn hard to buy

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Post by Offroader » Sep 17 2018 3:16pm

ryan1685 wrote:
Sep 17 2018 3:04pm
I have heard of companies all over the world taking delivery of the X model sur rons in mass quantities, but have yet to hear about one place in North America that has done the same. I really want to buy one of these but do not want the Older Luna version. Has anyone had any luck getting one of these shipped from places like tmall or Taobao or a local dealer here in North America. I am starting to lose interest in this product because it is so damn hard to buy
I've been trying to figure out a way and am also in contact with someone who is getting quoted on Shipping some of the X-Version from china. Luna Cycles probably won't get any X-models any time soon from what I can determine.

Compared to ordering from luna cycle, the X-version will be about $1,000 cheaper in china when factoring in that Luna cycles charges $180 for shipping + will cost you about $300 for the sine-wave controller upgrade. The issue is you will need someone from china to ship (shipping agent or forwarder) the bike to you because Sur-Ron is not offering any international shipping.

This is where it gets difficult. One agent I contacted didn't want to ship an electric bike because of dealing with customs because of the battery. They said shipping a battery is trouble for them. You will need to find an agent who will do all this for you and not rip you off in the process. You will need to order the bike and have it ship to the agent, who then ships it to you. You will also have to deal with language barriers. You have to make sure the shipping agent or company is reputable because they sometimes can ship the goods without the proper documentation then demand more money for the documentation, I doubt this will be an issue if you find a reputable large company with reviews like on allibaba.

I believe it can be done and shipped for maybe a few hundred dollars (making the bike actually $500-700 cheaper than Luna) if we can find the right shipping agent who will do this for us. There is also no tax/duties for electric bikes shipped to USA from china so we do not have to pay for that just really a small customs fee and the shipping fee.

You can search for shipping or forwarding agents like on Alibaba and contact them and see if they will ship it. If you do look into this keep us updated on what you can find. I believe many of us would purchase the X-version and wait a month for it to get the newer version. You can also buy parts really cheap for the bike, like the larger sprocket and chains, and batteries.

What I really think we should do is a group buy because Luna Cycles is probably paying $2000 for these bikes and selling them for $3500 + shipping and not offering any warranty either.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by ryan1685 » Sep 17 2018 3:49pm

Offroader wrote:
Sep 17 2018 3:16pm
ryan1685 wrote:
Sep 17 2018 3:04pm
I have heard of companies all over the world taking delivery of the X model sur rons in mass quantities, but have yet to hear about one place in North America that has done the same. I really want to buy one of these but do not want the Older Luna version. Has anyone had any luck getting one of these shipped from places like tmall or Taobao or a local dealer here in North America. I am starting to lose interest in this product because it is so damn hard to buy
I've been trying to figure out a way and am also in contact with someone who is getting quoted on Shipping some of the X-Version from china. Luna Cycles probably won't get any X-models any time soon from what I can determine.

Compared to ordering from luna cycle, the X-version will be about $1,000 cheaper in china when factoring in that Luna cycles charges $180 for shipping + will cost you about $300 for the sine-wave controller upgrade. The issue is you will need someone from china to ship (shipping agent or forwarder) the bike to you because Sur-Ron is not offering any international shipping.

This is where it gets difficult. One agent I contacted didn't want to ship an electric bike because of dealing with customs because of the battery. They said shipping a battery is trouble for them. You will need to find an agent who will do all this for you and not rip you off in the process. You will need to order the bike and have it ship to the agent, who then ships it to you. You will also have to deal with language barriers. You have to make sure the shipping agent or company is reputable because they sometimes can ship the goods without the proper documentation then demand more money for the documentation, I doubt this will be an issue if you find a reputable large company with reviews like on allibaba.

I believe it can be done and shipped for maybe a few hundred dollars (making the bike actually $500-700 cheaper than Luna) if we can find the right shipping agent who will do this for us. There is also no tax/duties for electric bikes shipped to USA from china so we do not have to pay for that just really a small customs fee and the shipping fee.

You can search for shipping or forwarding agents like on Alibaba and contact them and see if they will ship it. If you do look into this keep us updated on what you can find. I believe many of us would purchase the X-version and wait a month for it to get the newer version. You can also buy parts really cheap for the bike, like the larger sprocket and chains, and batteries.

What I really think we should do is a group buy because Luna Cycles is probably paying $2000 for these bikes and selling them for $3500 + shipping and not offering any warranty either.

My best friend lives in China during the winters - white guy that ended up marrying a rich Chinese women. Any way, he is about to head back to China for the winter in a month or two after the road construction seasons wraps up, he says I can get it shipped directly to his wife's house in Hunan province, but I am scared that he wont be able to get it out of the country for me, I have tried many freight forwarding agents and all of which have gave me the dangerous goods run around. Man this is such a frustrating process

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Post by efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Sep 17 2018 6:17pm

aebikes has model X in stock and will ship worldwide ..
https://www.aebikes.com.au
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by ryan1685 » Sep 17 2018 6:22pm

nope they wont. Caveat after caveat with them

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Post by Aebrennan » Sep 17 2018 6:41pm

ryan1685 wrote:
Sep 17 2018 6:22pm
nope they wont. Caveat after caveat with them
Don’t start making false claims we ship worldwide and have done since December last year.

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Post by Offroader » Sep 17 2018 7:11pm

ryan1685 wrote:
Sep 17 2018 3:49pm
Offroader wrote:
Sep 17 2018 3:16pm
ryan1685 wrote:
Sep 17 2018 3:04pm
I have heard of companies all over the world taking delivery of the X model sur rons in mass quantities, but have yet to hear about one place in North America that has done the same. I really want to buy one of these but do not want the Older Luna version. Has anyone had any luck getting one of these shipped from places like tmall or Taobao or a local dealer here in North America. I am starting to lose interest in this product because it is so damn hard to buy
I've been trying to figure out a way and am also in contact with someone who is getting quoted on Shipping some of the X-Version from china. Luna Cycles probably won't get any X-models any time soon from what I can determine.

Compared to ordering from luna cycle, the X-version will be about $1,000 cheaper in china when factoring in that Luna cycles charges $180 for shipping + will cost you about $300 for the sine-wave controller upgrade. The issue is you will need someone from china to ship (shipping agent or forwarder) the bike to you because Sur-Ron is not offering any international shipping.

This is where it gets difficult. One agent I contacted didn't want to ship an electric bike because of dealing with customs because of the battery. They said shipping a battery is trouble for them. You will need to find an agent who will do all this for you and not rip you off in the process. You will need to order the bike and have it ship to the agent, who then ships it to you. You will also have to deal with language barriers. You have to make sure the shipping agent or company is reputable because they sometimes can ship the goods without the proper documentation then demand more money for the documentation, I doubt this will be an issue if you find a reputable large company with reviews like on allibaba.

I believe it can be done and shipped for maybe a few hundred dollars (making the bike actually $500-700 cheaper than Luna) if we can find the right shipping agent who will do this for us. There is also no tax/duties for electric bikes shipped to USA from china so we do not have to pay for that just really a small customs fee and the shipping fee.

You can search for shipping or forwarding agents like on Alibaba and contact them and see if they will ship it. If you do look into this keep us updated on what you can find. I believe many of us would purchase the X-version and wait a month for it to get the newer version. You can also buy parts really cheap for the bike, like the larger sprocket and chains, and batteries.

What I really think we should do is a group buy because Luna Cycles is probably paying $2000 for these bikes and selling them for $3500 + shipping and not offering any warranty either.

My best friend lives in China during the winters - white guy that ended up marrying a rich Chinese women. Any way, he is about to head back to China for the winter in a month or two after the road construction seasons wraps up, he says I can get it shipped directly to his wife's house in Hunan province, but I am scared that he wont be able to get it out of the country for me, I have tried many freight forwarding agents and all of which have gave me the dangerous goods run around. Man this is such a frustrating process
Could you explain the issues they are having shipping the bike? What do you mean dangerous goods? Is it because of the battery?

There are many people who have no issues at all shipping batteries by sea freight, I ordered 300 cells from Poland a couple of years back. You can do it, you just have to fill out the right forms. You may also need to remove the battery and ship that separately.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by 3DTOPO » Sep 18 2018 2:08am

Don't forget the new import tax thanks to Dufus in Chief. Luna says the next batch will go up by $450. Yay America.

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Post by madin88 » Sep 18 2018 2:31am

3DTOPO wrote:
Sep 18 2018 2:08am
Don't forget the new import tax thanks to Dufus in Chief. Luna says the next batch will go up by $450. Yay America.
I thought the new import fees apply only for e-bikes?
Would it not be possible to handle the Surron as a moped? As it has no pedals it should be not so hard to do..

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by 3DTOPO » Sep 18 2018 2:33am

madin88 wrote:
Sep 18 2018 2:31am
3DTOPO wrote:
Sep 18 2018 2:08am
Don't forget the new import tax thanks to Dufus in Chief. Luna says the next batch will go up by $450. Yay America.
I thought the new import fees apply only for e-bikes?
Would it not be possible to handle the Surron as a moped? As it has no pedals it should be not so hard to do..
I'm no tariff/import expert. I just know Luna says the next batch is going to cost more - check their website.
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Post by urbanmoto » Sep 18 2018 3:58am

Allex wrote:
Sep 14 2018 4:59pm
urbanmoto wrote:
Sep 14 2018 4:11pm
efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Sep 13 2018 10:28pm
racingame wrote:
Sep 13 2018 10:09pm
Does anybody know what component is the limiting factor on the Light Bee EU homologated version? I'd like to know if you have to swap out the battery, the controller or both to get it to work like the normal offroad version.
light bee L1e version is "wire restricted" .. so full power and both power settings can be "derestricted" by simply cutting the limit wire (similar to stealth) ..

reference : viewtopic.php?f=31&t=61259&p=1379383#p1379383
Hi we received the first 20 units yesterday in UK , the bikes actually come with the wire cut and restricted to 45 kmph, but simply joining the wires next to the battery connector block gives you speed 75kmph + straight away , so ride legally on the road as a moped and in 10 seconds switch to full bore for off road fun https://instagram.com/p/Bnt328Vh44M/
Got yours fitted with xcontroller as standard or was it optional?
They were ordered as standard with X sine wave controllers from the factory, we also have off road version arriving in 3 weeks again fitted with X Sine wave controllers as standard, but you can still order with square wave controller.
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Post by Offroader » Sep 18 2018 6:36am

This seems shady that Luna Cycle is raising the price of the ebikes by $450. I'm trying to locate just what the tariffs will affect and even at 10%, that should only increase their cost of the bike about $200-$250. I'm not 100% sure the 10% tariffs will even hit the electric bikes as it is not a blanket 10% tariff on anything.

I know Luna has been saying for a while they are selling the bike really cheap and making little profit. I think we need to find out exactly how much Luna is paying for these bikes and figure out what they are up to.

It is ridiculous that there is only a single dealer in USA for this bike.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by n2mb » Sep 18 2018 6:45am

Offroader wrote:
Sep 18 2018 6:36am
This seems shady that Luna Cycle is raising the price of the ebikes by $450. I'm trying to locate just what the tariffs will affect and even at 10%, that should only increase their cost of the bike about $200-$250. I'm not 100% sure the 10% tariffs will even hit the electric bikes as it is not a blanket 10% tariff on anything.

I know Luna has been saying for a while they are selling the bike really cheap and making little profit. I think we need to find out exactly how much Luna is paying for these bikes and figure out what they are up to.

It is ridiculous that there is only a single dealer in USA for this bike.
It's a 25% tariff. I'm surprised it isn't raising the price more. I guess Luna is paying $2000 per bike?

https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industr ... 6DlGmhKguU

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Post by fechter » Sep 18 2018 7:43am

Could be a supply vs. demand thing too. If I was constantly selling out of product, I might raise the price.

Glad I got mine when they were cheap.
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Post by Offroader » Sep 18 2018 7:47am

n2mb wrote:
Sep 18 2018 6:45am
Offroader wrote:
Sep 18 2018 6:36am
This seems shady that Luna Cycle is raising the price of the ebikes by $450. I'm trying to locate just what the tariffs will affect and even at 10%, that should only increase their cost of the bike about $200-$250. I'm not 100% sure the 10% tariffs will even hit the electric bikes as it is not a blanket 10% tariff on anything.

I know Luna has been saying for a while they are selling the bike really cheap and making little profit. I think we need to find out exactly how much Luna is paying for these bikes and figure out what they are up to.

It is ridiculous that there is only a single dealer in USA for this bike.
It's a 25% tariff. I'm surprised it isn't raising the price more. I guess Luna is paying $2000 per bike?

https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industr ... 6DlGmhKguU
The Sur-Ron isn't an electric bike but is most likely classified as a motorcycle. It doesn't have any pedals or can't be humanly driven.

That is probably the reason. Surprised they put 25% tariffs on ebikes.

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Post by Rabid » Sep 18 2018 8:21am

I'm not sure if this link will work, but it looks like the Light Bee's big brother is about to be released!

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/DPYM3S5lOiJTUZzsrw5qkA

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Post by racingame » Sep 18 2018 9:42am

The Light Bee is now available in 7 colors :D

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Also Sur-Ron made a partnership with Insta360 (a GoPro-like Chinese company) and they offer the Model X together with Insta360 camera and chest mount.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Rix » Sep 18 2018 9:53am

Offroader wrote:
Sep 18 2018 6:36am
This seems shady that Luna Cycle is raising the price of the ebikes by $450. I'm trying to locate just what the tariffs will affect and even at 10%, that should only increase their cost of the bike about $200-$250. I'm not 100% sure the 10% tariffs will even hit the electric bikes as it is not a blanket 10% tariff on anything.

I know Luna has been saying for a while they are selling the bike really cheap and making little profit. I think we need to find out exactly how much Luna is paying for these bikes and figure out what they are up to.

It is ridiculous that there is only a single dealer in USA for this bike.
My thinking is, maybe the price increase has something to do with the tariffs imposed by Blondie, and some of the increase is due to the upgraded controller. Not certain though.

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