Kuberg Freerider Extended Swingarm Project

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Re: Kuberg Freerider Extended Swingarm Project

Post by skeetab5780 » Mar 28, 2018 7:15 am

I tried this so called fix today, and it didn't even think about fixing the problems I am having...I have tried messing with a lot of settings and nothing seem to effect or fix the issue.

Was a waste of a weeks time and a few dollars for the diodes, I will be ordering another KBS controller now sadly

Here are the diodes that are typically included with the Kelly controllers. I used three in between my phase hall sensor colors with the cathode towards the motor
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I got rid of the 12vdc going to my halls since that also didn't solve the problem, not sure what Arnold from the KLS post is talking about this solving, but it doesn't help on the LRHDD maybe the LMX motor is not as similar as we thought
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Re: Kuberg Freerider Extended Swingarm Project

Post by skeetab5780 » Mar 30, 2018 8:37 am

Unfortunately broke down and ordered another Kelly controller to solve my drive issue...$225 shipped! got the KBS this time

Sucks but its needed

also I ordered one of the new topeak front fenders to give it a shot and some hydro line to fix front/rear brakes
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Re: Kuberg Freerider Extended Swingarm Project

Post by bigpie » Mar 31, 2018 5:26 am

Are these controllers from Eastgem waterproof? I never got an answer on that question.

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Re: Kuberg Freerider Extended Swingarm Project

Post by skeetab5780 » Mar 31, 2018 7:21 am

bigpie wrote:
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Are these controllers from Eastgem waterproof? I never got an answer on that question.
I would try and ask Alex, I think Kelly controllers are sealed very well from factory as is, but there is a optional water proofing treatment that I am not sure if Eastgem opted in for. I have heard of people getting water ingress and damage...but for all we know they have them upside down

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Re: Kuberg Freerider Extended Swingarm Project

Post by bigpie » Apr 01, 2018 8:51 am

He says"water proof but not IP68".

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Re: Kuberg Freerider Extended Swingarm Project

Post by skeetab5780 » Apr 09, 2018 3:47 pm

So the new Kelly KBS series controller came in I ordered the KBS72151E

For some reason I thought it was going to be the same size as the KLS but its smaller and 50a less rated...I was mad at first but then I realized it fit the frame absolutely perfect and I didn't need to modify it at all!
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Doesn't come with the nice wires like the Eastgem controllers but oh well (Kelly switch to 200deg silicon!)
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Had to split the sub frame off again and lift the battery to install the new controller
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About an inch shorter...Whats an inch between friends
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Shot of the serial numbers for reference
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Lengthened the hall wires and added a positive jumper to pin #7 power, I will finish the wiring tomorrow
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Phase wires are short and rigid I will have to put some rubber where the metal frame part is in the way so nothing shorts or wears away
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Re: Kuberg Freerider Extended Swingarm Project

Post by Raisedeyebrows » Apr 09, 2018 10:16 pm

I'd imagine the power to weight ratio on that bike is pretty high. You have any idea of total weight with batteries and all?
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Re: Kuberg Freerider Extended Swingarm Project

Post by skeetab5780 » Apr 10, 2018 11:04 am

Raisedeyebrows wrote:
Apr 09, 2018 10:16 pm
I'd imagine the power to weight ratio on that bike is pretty high. You have any idea of total weight with batteries and all?
Well I was able to take it out for a test ride and it is now performing properly! The weight I am not sure of but the battery alone is 28lbs 18s24ah and the motor is probably 12lbs and controller and wiring another 2lbs plus frame and wheels at maybe 50lbs

I will get a official weight soon, but I am already running into a front suspension issue I think...

Now that I have a full size battery pack and my big self on the bike, the front shock is borderline dangerous/useless

I may need to beef this thing up to a Fast Ace front fork similar to what the Zero uses and then at that point I would need moto wheels.

I have not taken it on the trails yet, but on the tar trying to rip around and toy with the bike is scary with the front fork sag...again this is what I get for cheaping out. Don't get me wrong it is a very nice fork but not for a heavier powerful ebike!

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Re: Kuberg Freerider Extended Swingarm Project

Post by efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Apr 10, 2018 11:19 am

you could get the fast ace fork model that's used on the Sur-ron light bee, it's for downhill bikes and would not require a moto front wheel.. just 20mm through axle mtn bike front wheel.. other options would be DNM, RST, etc..
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Post by skeetab5780 » Apr 10, 2018 11:23 am

efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Apr 10, 2018 11:19 am
you could get the fast ace fork model that's used on the Sur-ron light bee, it's for downhill bikes and would not require a moto front wheel.. just 20mm through axle mtn bike front wheel.. other options would be DNM, RST, etc..
Do you have a link to where to buy Fast Ace or another brand? Or should I buy them from a member?

I have a DNM and its not good enough for my bike and me weight 300lb combined easy

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Re: Kuberg Freerider Extended Swingarm Project

Post by efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Apr 10, 2018 11:57 am

I don't have a link off the top of my head, maybe contact luna cycle, they carry fast ace, rst, and dnm for light bee.. maybe put up a wanted add in the sales forums on here or pop in on the Sur-ron thread where ppl are decided on what fork to run based on riding style and rider weight, etc.. also check, eBay, pinkbike, etc.. these guys might have some good deals, just be sure to tell them what your using it for so that you get something heavy duty : https://recycledmountainracing.com
or maybe you could just source stiffer springs for your DNM?? did you try adding higher pressure to the air chamber and increasing the spring preload??
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Re: Kuberg Freerider Extended Swingarm Project

Post by Raisedeyebrows » Apr 10, 2018 12:18 pm

efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Apr 10, 2018 11:19 am
you could get the fast ace fork model that's used on the Sur-ron light bee, it's for downhill bikes and would not require a moto front wheel.. just 20mm through axle mtn bike front wheel.. other options would be DNM, RST, etc..
Would something like DVO Emerald or similar be an option if $$$ was not an issue? Small KTM WP fork like Motomoto was talking about previously? Seems like fork selection for this type of bike is tricky when a person desires full-on MX level performance, the bikes are in between bicycle and MX bikes in weight so an actual MX fork is heavy but a DH MTB fork is possibly not designed for constant pounding while carrying a 100 lb bike + rider. You seem to have done some homework and thinking on this type of machine, if price was no object and you wanted max performance do you have any suggestions or ideas?

Maybe Squish Dynamics or that other outfit based near Bend that rebuilds MTB suspensions every day all day long would have some ideas about somehow modifying the Fastace or some other fork to get good small bump and chatter performance and still take monster hits reasonably well?
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Re: Kuberg Freerider Extended Swingarm Project

Post by efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Apr 10, 2018 12:33 pm

Raisedeyebrows wrote:
Apr 10, 2018 12:18 pm
efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Apr 10, 2018 11:19 am
you could get the fast ace fork model that's used on the Sur-ron light bee, it's for downhill bikes and would not require a moto front wheel.. just 20mm through axle mtn bike front wheel.. other options would be DNM, RST, etc..
Would something like DVO Emerald or similar be an option if $$$ was not an issue? Small KTM WP fork like Motomoto was talking about previously? Seems like fork selection for this type of bike is tricky when a person desires full-on MX level performance, the bikes are in between bicycle and MX bikes in weight so an actual MX fork is heavy but a DH MTB fork is possibly not designed for constant pounding while carrying a 100 lb bike + rider. You seem to have done some homework and thinking on this type of machine, if price was no object and you wanted max performance do you have any suggestions or ideas?

Maybe Squish Dynamics or that other outfit based near Bend that rebuilds MTB suspensions every day all day long would have some ideas about somehow modifying the Fastace or some other fork to get good small bump and chatter performance and still take monster hits reasonably well?
the major suspension manufacturers are starting to come out with ebike specific forks and shocks, so its happening.. fast ace coil spring option would be an improvement over their air sprung model.. and yes a high end fork such as fox or dvo with stiffer springs and custom valving would likely fit the bill nicely.. even a small dirt bike fork would probably be overkill imo, but I would like to see it done and tested anyways.. forum member Emmett on the stealth thread seems to like his dnm fork with custom valving and he has a lot of moto and suspension experience.. go to the stealth website and the forum there to check out his dnm mods..
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Post by skeetab5780 » Apr 10, 2018 3:30 pm

I didn't try adding air yet since I don't recall this problem last year when I had half the battery...I did max the spring adjustment

Where do you put air in the DNM usd-8?

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Post by skeetab5780 » Apr 10, 2018 3:32 pm

FYI im pretty sure I will be rebuilding the rear wheel to 18" moto real soon after all this weight addition too

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Re: Kuberg Freerider Extended Swingarm Project

Post by efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Apr 10, 2018 5:17 pm

skeetab5780 wrote:
Apr 10, 2018 3:30 pm
I didn't try adding air yet since I don't recall this problem last year when I had half the battery...I did max the spring adjustment

Where do you put air in the DNM usd-8?
under the red cap at the bottom of the damping leg is a Schrader valve to adjust the air chamber.. will probably need pliers to remove the cap, its on really tight.. see if it's mentioned in the suspension fork owners manual or do a search on here of forum member Emmett's suspension tuning and mods in the stealth thread..
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Re: Kuberg Freerider Extended Swingarm Project

Post by skeetab5780 » Apr 16, 2018 11:31 am

Here is a quick vid of me testing the controller/motor operation seeing if any error codes occur...everything seems to be working great now. I just got my disc brake lines in the mail so I can fix them once and for all


Little rubber gone on the Maxxis now :)
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