My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by kaybee123 » Jun 04 2019 10:32pm

Sinbord1981 wrote:
Jun 03 2019 6:00pm
My AM1000 got delivered today. Didn’t take me too long to get it all built up. I’ve just got to wait on the batteries now. I’m really pleased with it. It was so well packaged and came in an outer wooden crate as well. I’ll get some photos/video up soon once again be got it running. It was delivered with the software USB programming cable but does anyone know where I can get the software from?

Thanks all.
You had an outer wooden crate? Do you have pictures of how it was delivered? Mine was... well, less than ideal.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by formula101 » Jun 05 2019 2:38am

I'm interested in using the AM1000 as a dual duty off road rig as well as a street bike!

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... 71d2yZi7fp

Is this bike even legal anywhere in the USA on off-road trails??? I'm assuming it's only trail legal on private property. Is this correct?

Some questions:

1. can this bike be ordered with a dropper seat post?

2. can the stock wheels be set up as tubeless?

3. will the wheels accept a narrower tire if I so choose in the future?

4. what type of fork is the stock fork? (GTMRK 120mm air suspension). Is this an entry level fork? I can't find any reviews for it.

Thanks. Basically, I'm wondering if customers are allowed to swap out components when you order the bike. I'm not familiar with the fork or the brakes--haven't heard of those models being used on other bikes.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Hardcore » Jun 05 2019 4:52am

Richard N wrote:
Jun 04 2019 9:35pm
I requested software and cable too, but only got the cable.
In my case I got the software via the alibaba app but i'm not posting it because it will tell you there's a virus in there. The above link has a google drive hyperlink for the software

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Richard N » Jun 05 2019 9:10am

That is the one I'm using.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Sinbord1981 » Jun 05 2019 1:14pm

kaybee123 wrote:
Jun 04 2019 10:32pm
You had an outer wooden crate? Do you have pictures of how it was delivered? Mine was... well, less than ideal.
Absolutely mint. Batteries arriving tomorrow. Customs hadn’t even taken a peek inside of it.....

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Sinbord1981 » Jun 05 2019 1:25pm

formula101 wrote:
Jun 05 2019 2:38am
Is this bike even legal anywhere in the USA on off-road trails??? I'm assuming it's only trail legal on private property. Is this correct?

Some questions:
1. can this bike be ordered with a dropper seat post?
2. can the stock wheels be set up as tubeless?
3. will the wheels accept a narrower tire if I so choose in the future?
4. what type of fork is the stock fork? (GTMRK 120mm air suspension). Is this an entry level fork? I can't find any reviews for it.

Thanks. Basically, I'm wondering if customers are allowed to swap out components when you order the bike. I'm not familiar with the fork or the brakes--haven't heard of those models being used on other bikes.

1. Most probably - contact them directly and ask the question. They were very accommodating for me. I spec'd exactly what I wanted.
2. Yes. Wheels no problem. The tyres on mine are Maxxis Rekon 27.5x2.8, EXO Protection & Tubeless ready.
3. Yes
4. Dunno. I up-spec'd mine. Speak to the vendor as I am sure they will be able to give you all the details you require. It's worth getting in to a conversation with them directly. It will also give you assurances around how response they are. Frey & Grace @ Frey have been simply fantastic for me!

Can't answer as to whether it's legal in the USA as I'm in the UK. Yes you can generally swap items and spec'd to your own requirements. Cheers.

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Re: Riding my AM1000 in a lake!

Post by leedavis » Jun 05 2019 3:05pm

robocam wrote:
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How do you use the youtube button?
You only use the last bit of the Youtube URL - the part that comes after "watch?v="

Here's me a couple days ago, gliding along a trail, enjoying my AM1000. What a fun bike!

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by formula101 » Jun 05 2019 4:52pm

A bit of a long shot: does Frey have a showroom or warehouses on the west coast USA? Lots of ebike companies are either based in San Diego or at least have a showroom: FLX, Juiced, Aventon, and Rad for example. I'm sure there are others.

Whenever possible I try to test ride a bike before purchase. I may have missed my chance as they were at Sea Otter Classic either in 2018 or 19. It would be great to swing a leg over before investing.

If anyone is aware of test ride opportunities in the states, preferably on the west coast, feel free to chime in.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Sinbord1981 » Jun 05 2019 5:46pm

Does anyone know what the USB socket at the front on the the underside of the display screen is for on the AM1000? There’s a little rubber cover over it that you can pull off. Thanks.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by SunnyDay1 » Jun 05 2019 10:08pm

Sinbord1981 wrote:
Jun 05 2019 5:46pm
Does anyone know what the USB socket at the front on the the underside of the display screen is for on the AM1000? There’s a little rubber cover over it that you can pull off. Thanks.
It's a standard usb port, 5v 500mA. You can charge your phone with it etc...

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Sinbord1981 » Jun 06 2019 6:02am

SunnyDay1 wrote:
Jun 05 2019 10:08pm
It's a standard usb port, 5v 500mA. You can charge your phone with it etc...
Excellent. I’ll be plugging all sorts of things in to that then! I guess it not suitable to drive a light though but I think there is another connector direct off the battery that could be used for that. I need to look at the specifications on the batteries, which I should be getting today. So it’s just a power outlet and not a data connection of any sort then?

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by garyal1 » Jun 06 2019 8:34am

formula101 wrote:
Jun 05 2019 2:38am
I'm interested in using the AM1000 as a dual duty off road rig as well as a street bike!

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... 71d2yZi7fp

Is this bike even legal anywhere in the USA on off-road trails??? I'm assuming it's only trail legal on private property. Is this correct?

Some questions:

1. can this bike be ordered with a dropper seat post?

2. can the stock wheels be set up as tubeless?

3. will the wheels accept a narrower tire if I so choose in the future?

4. what type of fork is the stock fork? (GTMRK 120mm air suspension). Is this an entry level fork? I can't find any reviews for it.

Thanks. Basically, I'm wondering if customers are allowed to swap out components when you order the bike. I'm not familiar with the fork or the brakes--haven't heard of those models being used on other bikes.

First off, the link you posted is NOT the Frey AM1000, it is for the Frey FAT1000 2.0.

I have 1 AM1000 for my wife, 2 HT1000, 1 for brother and one I built up from frame ONLY WITH 60 VOLT PHASE RUNNER AT 30000 WATTS. I also have one AM1000 5.0 and one FAT1000 2.0 just ordered this week.

In ALL cases, you can specify which components you want. Of course pricing is affected but you can get any wheels, any transmission, any seat post, any forks etc. Just specify to Ivy and they will quote.

The one thing they would not offer as a substitute is a Rohloff rear IGH. I bought those thru my local bike shop and installed them here in the USA.

As for wheel sizes, the HT10000 is offered with either 29er 2.2 or 27.5 2.8......The FAT1000 2.0 can come with either 26 x 4.5 or 26x4.8 tires on 26 rims.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by formula101 » Jun 06 2019 3:28pm

Thanks, Gary. The Frey Fat Bike has pretty much all of the features I'm looking for: high top speed, fat tires for comfort, mid drive for any off road riding, multiple frame sizes, full suspension and.... a rear rack! Even the crank arm length of 170 works for me. Apparently Frey is shipping individual orders in wooden crates which is pretty cool.

My lone concern is probably the Q factor. I'd also like a frame integrated battery as well as I am reading reports of some Frey riders velcroing the battery to the frame.

I certainly don't need 4.8" tires. I'd be just fine with plus sized tires. If that's what it takes to get the Q factor in line so be it. But I still want dual suspension with a rear rack! Compromises will have to be made somewhere along the line, obviously. But the Frey Fat Bike is a darn good starting point and very near an exemplar of the type of electric bike I'm looking for: fast, comfortable, and useful for everyday errands.

I haven't really given much thought to how practical a 100 lbs bike might be. 70 lbs bike, a few pounds of accessories: lights, fenders, reflectors, panniers, and add to that 20-30 lbs of groceries or anything else from a store run.

The 'gold standard' for me would be the Frey fat bike with 2.8" tires, 170 Q factor, frame integrated battery, weighing in significantly under 60 lbs bone stock. Ivy, are you listening?!? :P

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Sinbord1981 » Jun 06 2019 4:42pm

My AM1000 arrived a couple of day ago (FEDEX - it was the wooden crated one) and the two batteries turned up today (52V 17.5ah). I read up on breaking the batteries in, so fully charged them both and have so far just had a short 10 mile ride in eco mode, assist level 1 and WOW! what a bike. I cycle a lot anyway (road & MTB) but this bike makes you feel superhuman.

I did find I was spinning out quite easily on the flat in the highest gearing though. I've got a 40T chainring and 11-46 11 speed Shimano XT M8000 cassette on the rear - so I'm spinning out quite easily on 40T/11t gearing. I feel that I need to increase the chainring a couple of teeth to 42T to put me where I need to be and it would still give me sufficiently low enough gearing when off-roading and hitting the local trails. God knows what it'll be like in max assist assist + sport mode! I had also set the speed limit to 25mph on the controller but still managed to hit 30mph on the flat without really max-ing out my own leg power and I can see that I can see on my Strava activity from the ride. Has anyone else needed to gear there's up to put them in the right place for the type of riding they do?

Any recommendations on a new chainring for mine? I think I'll need a 42T 5 bolt 130BCD narrow/wide ring.

The chain looks more than long as there's plenty left in it to cope with another couple of teeth as the cage still have plenty of movement left when set on 40T/46t. Thanking you all kindly 8)

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by formula101 » Jun 06 2019 5:46pm

Thanks for the ride report.

You can calculate speed with gearing here:

https://www.bikecalc.com/gear_speed

I've read this motor is capable of 36+ mph. If so, you will need a 52 tooth ring to get you up to that speed at a normal cadence (90 rpm).

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by El_Topo » Jun 06 2019 6:05pm

Sinbord1981 wrote:
Jun 06 2019 4:42pm
My AM1000 arrived a couple of day ago .... this bike makes you feel superhuman.
Though it is more a general Bafang question, may I ask you how you think the motor support feels?
Can you compare the Bafang to other motors from the known brands? You seem to be someone who appreciates an ebike that rides like a bike and that is also what I am after. With a motor like the Brose it just feels like the motor amplifies your own input whereas the Bosch feels very harsh and you can really feel when it kicks in - I don't like that all.
Though I think the high torque is something I would appreciate (while I really don't care about top speed at all) my main focus with an ebike is having a smooth ride in terms of having a motor that you barely notice (in terms of feeling it kicking in suddenly). I assume this all comes down how the motor is programmed and the torque sensor is read out and all that jazz but what is your take on this?

TIA!

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by formula101 » Jun 06 2019 6:31pm

Looking at a photo of the drivetrain side, I'm not convinced you can go with a significantly larger chainring. Hopefully I'm wrong. A 42 will yield a slightly higher top speed. Combine that with a 10 tooth cog should get you up to 33 or 34 mph. I don't think 10 tooth cogs are that common however.

I don't see you getting anything bigger than a 42 or 44 max.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Sinbord1981 » Jun 06 2019 6:54pm

formula101 wrote:
Jun 06 2019 5:46pm
Thanks for the ride report.

You can calculate speed with gearing here:

https://www.bikecalc.com/gear_speed

I've read this motor is capable of 36+ mph. If so, you will need a 52 tooth ring to get you up to that speed at a normal cadence (90 rpm).
Thanks formula101. Looking at my last few 50 mile plus road rides with my local club, I’m averaging 85 cadence and peaking to well over 100, up to 110 on really fast 40mph+ downhills. I’ve ordered a 42T and will see how that goes first as I don’t want to loose too much of the bottom end for steep off-road climbing. I do think I might even be able to push a 44T with that 46t on the back. Thanks and I’ll let you know how it goes.

I don’t specifically want to over gear it for top speed but I just found I wasn’t working particularly hard and I was spinning in the 11t quite easily. At my average cadence I’d rather be mid-cassetteand I think the 42T will get me closer to that.

I don’t think I’d want to go any smaller than 11t on the cassette, even if it is possible as it’ll be too tight a turn for the chain it would t will chew through it in no time at all with that torque.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Sinbord1981 » Jun 06 2019 7:10pm

El_Topo wrote:
Jun 06 2019 6:05pm
Sinbord1981 wrote:
Jun 06 2019 4:42pm
My AM1000 arrived a couple of day ago .... this bike makes you feel superhuman.
Though it is more a general Bafang question, may I ask you how you think the motor support feels?
Can you compare the Bafang to other motors from the known brands? You seem to be someone who appreciates an ebike that rides like a bike and that is also what I am after. With a motor like the Brose it just feels like the motor amplifies your own input whereas the Bosch feels very harsh and you can really feel when it kicks in - I don't like that all.
Though I think the high torque is something I would appreciate (while I really don't care about top speed at all) my main focus with an ebike is having a smooth ride in terms of having a motor that you barely notice (in terms of feeling it kicking in suddenly). I assume this all comes down how the motor is programmed and the torque sensor is read out and all that jazz but what is your take on this?

TIA!
Good question. I’ve not actually ridden any other eBikes; this is the first one and I basically bought it going in blind. I get exactly what you’re saying. I do think the Bafang is good though and the way the controller’s been set up. You have to get going to a certain speed and also put in a certain amount of torque yourself before you get the motor kicking in but it does it in a nice progressive way. When starting off from a standstill and immediately making a full lock turn, for example, you wouldn’t want a huge dollop of torque from the motor kicking in as that would make you lurch. The bike seems to cope quite well with that scenario but you have to be mindful of it - don’t just push down hard on the pedals, go off gentle and then once you’ve made your standing start turn, push on harder to get the motor response. All of this is tuneable with the software though and I will have a play with it. Also as you come off the power, there is another parameter that can be set to determine the point at which the controller stops powering the motor. There’s one chap who posted a video on programming the controller and he mentions backing that value off a bit, which makes sense (from 12 to 5 I think). Much is personal preference. I’d draw an analogy to motorcycling (which I also have a passion for). In that it is all about smooth on/off throttle response mid-corner, if you get my drift! You want the connection between your wrist and the power to the road to be smooth and controlled - exactly like the pick up of the Bafang on the Frey AM1000. I think it does a good job already straight out the box, but I will have a little play with it. Good luck. For me I just feel that I want to be working my legs a bit harder than letting the motor do so much work which is why I think I need it gearing up ever so slightly but not at the loss of the lower range for some of the tough, steep off road stuff.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by amberwolf » Jun 06 2019 9:52pm

garyal1 wrote:
Jun 06 2019 8:34am
one I built up from frame ONLY WITH 60 VOLT PHASE RUNNER AT 30000 WATTS.
I think you must have an extra zero in the highlighted number. ;)

Even if you ran the Phaserunner
https://www.ebikes.ca/product-info/phaserunner.html
https://www.ebikes.ca/c-phaserunner.html
at the absolute max of 90v and 96A, you'd still only get 8640 watts out of it, and that's for a peak battery current, not sustained. Would need a heatsink at those levels (possibly active cooling).

(unless you're using some other controller with the same name that I don't know about)

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by kaybee123 » Jun 06 2019 10:13pm

Sinbord1981 wrote:
Jun 05 2019 1:14pm
kaybee123 wrote:
Jun 04 2019 10:32pm
You had an outer wooden crate? Do you have pictures of how it was delivered? Mine was... well, less than ideal.
Absolutely mint. Batteries arriving tomorrow. Customs hadn’t even taken a peek inside of it.....

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Thanks! Wow I wish mine had protection like that. My box had a side open when I received it. Regardless, they are helping me through it and have been very good to me considering the shipping hiccups.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by kaybee123 » Jun 07 2019 12:51pm

For what it's worth, I plan on having a comphrensive review of the 2019 Frey AM1000 bike done once the dust settles.

While I found many short clips of the bike, I haven't found a complete package (including video + text) going over it.

I plan on covering pre-sale, sale process, shipping, after service, the bike assembly process, the bike quality (frame and all components), riding, value and more.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to leave them and I'll try to cover it in the review (and they'll probably be answered in this thread anyways)

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Hardcore » Jun 07 2019 2:07pm

44T up front with a 11 to 48T in the back will get you up any hill that doesn't throw you backwards of the bike and has ample speed. I was thinking of going for 42T but then I'd be using more of the small cogs, and i'm currently on my third set of the 11-13-15. I do use full power most of the time and have done over 2.5k on the am1000.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Sinbord1981 » Jun 07 2019 4:14pm

Hardcore wrote:
Jun 07 2019 2:07pm
44T up front with a 11 to 48T in the back will get you up any hill that doesn't throw you backwards of the bike and has ample speed. I was thinking of going for 42T but then I'd be using more of the small cogs, and i'm currently on my third set of the 11-13-15. I do use full power most of the time and have done over 2.5k on the am1000.
Yeah I think I may end up going 44T also but I’ve got a decent 42T in its way that was good value, so I’ll see how I get on with that first. I’m current 11-46t on the cassette. Cheers.

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My Frey AM1000 - FIRST PROPER RIDE REPORT

Post by Sinbord1981 » Jun 08 2019 7:46am

So I got out for my first proper ride on my new Frey AM1000 V5 Bafang eBike (52V 17.5ah). I thought I would write up a quick report! This is coming to you from the United Kingdom.

I went out with my local cycle club on a road ride with them (8 of us altogether) purely to get a proper feel for the bike, its functionalities and how it rides. They are all fit blokes and gals on road bikes. I am very pleased with it to say the least! Next will be a proper off-road mountain bike ride - again to ascertain how it behaves and whether the gearing suits me (I've already ordered a two-tooth bigger chainring to gear it up slightly).

The power comes in seamlessly. The bike is very heavy compared to my other non-eBikes but I found that with it on the lowest Eco mode and assist level 1, it was enough power to overcome its own weight on the climbs and allow me to ride comfortably within the group whilst also giving me a moderate work out. I did a 40 mile route with the group, averaging 16mph, max-ing out at ~38mph. There was a moderate amount of climbing and descending today - overall 2,200 feet elevation on the whole 40 mile route. My 52V 17.5ah battery was fully charged at the start and it was the first use of this battery (I bought two with the bike) so I wanted to load it lightly for its first few cycles. I did kick it up in to sport mode and assist level 5 (the highest assist level) a couple of times - once when I'd stopped for a comfort break and had to chase to catch the group again - it's seriously fast and accelerates very well!

Fully charged at the start of the ride the battery measured 58.8V. At the end of the ride the Bafang controller display said it had 53% left and a range of 17 miles left. It measured 50.5V. I think it would go quite a bit further more than the 17 miles reported because the last few miles were some hard climbing and I was using assist levels 3 & 4 (still on Eco setting though) and then assist levels 2 & 3 to keep just ahead of my racer pal on his aero road bike (averaging over 22mph+ on the flat). I kept the display set on the remaining range setting and I got a feel for how it was updating based on the load I was putting in versa the settings on the bike. If you ask for more assist the remaining range would drop off after a short period of time and when you're going downhill and hardly using any of the bikes power you'd see the range slowly increase back up again as the algorthim calculates it out. I really like this. Over time I will get more accustomed to this and get a better idea on the range I've got with a fully charged up battery pack. Obviously you could stick in the top assist and Sport mode and ride flat out everywhere but the battery won't last long and I didn't want to be wringing the battery out like that on it's first discharge.

There was one weird moment on the ride - I think it was after the full power blast - when the display said it only had 19% left and the indicator symbol showed the battery as almost fully exhausted out, but is did come back up again. I think this is again due to the algorithm in the unit that must be calculating the range as it probably thinks the current drain associated with riding flat out is going to continue for the foreseeable, so it's warning you that you're not going to go very far!

As I had posted earlier, and in response to another chap on this forum, it really does bring in the power progressively - the harder you go and the more effort you put in, the more the controller/motor will also give. Eco vs Sport mode sort of speeds up the throttle response - much like the different switchable maps you get on a car or motorbike these days. The different level of assist make the controller/motor put in more or less power against what you're putting in, so you can either ride easy or beat yourself up a bit - this is exactly what I wanted in an eBike. I would think that selecting Sport vs Eco would have little long term effect on the overall range if you're riding at a relatively steady speed, as opposed to the assist level - where assist 5 which much more quickly drain the battery compared to assist level 1.

I didn't want to teach you to suck eggs on here, as I know most on this forum are already extremely knowledgeable about eBikes. I do a fair bit of 'normal' cycling but I'm a newbie to the world of eBikes. I am sure some with find my little report useful though. Thank you.

Here's a interactive replay of the ride and I've added in some picture below as well:
https://www.relive.cc/view/2432737746

Now go and get yourself one if you don't already have it!

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