My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by hoojsn » Jan 06 2018 10:28am

I think a few manufacture had feedback to Bafang on the weight of the enclosures of the motor. Hope they will listen and find durable and lighter material. Yes I hope of the newer battery technology that could feed on the current tube and provide more AH. My experience with EX1 is pretty good, 800 miles without any chip on the cog. As ebike usage 7 to 8 cog is more than enough. Ex1 uses equivalent to 10 speed chain. But I really hope the price drops to make it more affordable However only high end Ebike using it. Although my friend in his 70's love to ride on PAS0, but I still find it a bit heavy, I will normally use PAS1. With PAS1, the bike will feel very light. Personally I won't fork out more money on IGH which increases the bike weight and that defeats the whole purpose of reducing bike weight and it cost much more than EX1 system. My current Chain Ring is also 44T. It is perfect for speed

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by robocam » Jan 07 2018 3:57am

I've only briefly used it without assistance, but I tried using a 38T chainring going to a 42T in the cassette on one of my other ebikes, and it was too much work. I had a malfunction that forced me to pedal that day. I have to admit though that I am out of shape.

But regarding your question about changing the chainring, I would see how the stock 44T feels first because it seems like a great all-purpose tooth count (with a slight emphasis on speed). I had a 42T on my BBSHD, and I found that it was great for a majority of the terrain I encountered (my largest rear cog had 50T though). I tried a 30T as well, but I liked the 42T more. The 30T gave up too much top end. I've since moved that drive to my road bike, so I changed it to the stock 46T chainring, which is great for that use. If I were to change the one on the Frey, I'd try the smallest chainring that would fit first, maybe a 38T, but I'll have a better idea once I get to ride it more. It's too cold for recreational riding right now =)
starky_boi wrote:
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...Robocam, have you tried pedaling without assistance ? Does it feel too heavy ? Do you think it would be beneficial to change the 44T chainring for a 40T ?

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Drop Dead Fred » Jan 07 2018 10:26am

Robocam, I was wondering about the front chain ring as I don't care much for speed as I do off-road technical climbing. Right now I run a 34 tooth front on my BBSHD from Luna Cycle and seems to work really well for technical climbing.
I have purchased a 38 tooth front ring that I want to try but still am awaiting shipping on my bike.
Here's to hoping I get the new upgrades Frey Bikes is talking about!
robocam wrote:
Jan 07 2018 3:57am
I've only briefly used it without assistance, but I tried using a 38T chainring going to a 42T in the cassette on one of my other ebikes, and it was too much work. I had a malfunction that forced me to pedal that day. I have to admit though that I am out of shape.

But regarding your question about changing the chainring, I would see how the stock 44T feels first because it seems like a great all-purpose tooth count (with a slight emphasis on speed). I had a 42T on my BBSHD, and I found that it was great for a majority of the terrain I encountered (my largest rear cog had 50T though). I tried a 30T as well, but I liked the 42T more. The 30T gave up too much top end. I've since moved that drive to my road bike, so I changed it to the stock 46T chainring, which is great for that use. If I were to change the one on the Frey, I'd try the smallest chainring that would fit first, maybe a 38T, but I'll have a better idea once I get to ride it more. It's too cold for recreational riding right now =)
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...Robocam, have you tried pedaling without assistance ? Does it feel too heavy ? Do you think it would be beneficial to change the 44T chainring for a 40T ?

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by e-eagle » Jan 10 2018 9:26am

gidooo wrote:
Oct 14 2017 11:48am
Nice bike, i'm looking for something similar, frame only but shorter chainstay and x large. Could you share the price for the bike and shipping.
Hi!

I am looking for a frame like you, for Bafang Ultra! But it looks like Frey is the only alternative?
I now have the Bafang BBSHD on a Mondraker Dune but motor is to low....

My dream is something like the https://www.haibike.com/en/INT/bikes/61 ... wnhll-10-0. but with the Bafang ultra with 52 volts battery...

Did you find any alternative to the Frey Frame?
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by scrambler » Jan 10 2018 12:51pm

e-eagle wrote:
Jan 10 2018 9:26am
Did you find any alternative to the Frey Frame?
Bitrix has a bike based on the ultra too.
https://www.biktrix.com/collections/bik ... t-ultra-fs

And M2s, but not as nice components
https://shop.m2sbikes.com/collections/d ... ltra-motor

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Savin » Jan 10 2018 3:05pm

I have ordered this frame for the G510 Bafang motor, it is designed for 27 in and they can also build the frame with enclosed battery compartment.
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Drop Dead Fred » Jan 10 2018 3:15pm

scrambler wrote:
Jan 10 2018 12:51pm
e-eagle wrote:
Jan 10 2018 9:26am
Did you find any alternative to the Frey Frame?
Bitrix has a bike based on the ultra too.
https://www.biktrix.com/collections/bik ... t-ultra-fs

And M2s, but not as nice components
https://shop.m2sbikes.com/collections/d ... ltra-motor
e-eagle wrote:
Jan 10 2018 9:26am
gidooo wrote:
Oct 14 2017 11:48am
Nice bike, i'm looking for something similar, frame only but shorter chainstay and x large. Could you share the price for the bike and shipping.
Hi!

I am looking for a frame like you, for Bafang Ultra! But it looks like Frey is the only alternative?
I now have the Bafang BBSHD on a Mondraker Dune but motor is to low....

My dream is something like the https://www.haibike.com/en/INT/bikes/61 ... wnhll-10-0. but with the Bafang ultra with 52 volts battery...

Did you find any alternative to the Frey Frame?
If you're looking for something like that design then you will have to wait for Frey Bikes or someone to start building the M600. Although the M600 will not be as powerful as the AM1000.

There is a frame builder out there, but they will only sell 50 frames minimum. I tried... Picture below

The Bitrix is a close design but I don't think as well equipped as the AM1000. Although by the looks the pivot appears to be real close to Giants Anthem!

M2s bikes while seeming similar leave a bit to be desired as they are using old technology with quick release fronts and rear wheels and don't have BOOST spacing. Hence no Plus tires! If you don't ride off road then they would probably work for you.

Plus you can get the AM1000 cheaper than you can build with comparable parts as I priced it out building vs purchasing. The only thing I'm going to change are the wheels as I prefer Stan's Sentry MK3 wheels for tubeless. Too much primary research on crashing to not have a good set of tubeless wheels, cause when you burp at high speed cornering you go down and it hurts.

Pound for pound I have been looking for an off road ebike for over a year with out dropping $6500+ on a Turbo Levo and the Frey bike really has a great price point for what you get. Plus with the 2018 upgrades to the frame it should be a nice improvement.

Shipping is high but unless you are purchasing, I think it is at least 60 bikes for a shipping container, you have to pay the piper.

Added a picture of my BBSHD Transition Bandit and understand your statement that the motor is too low! I hit mine all the time on stumps and stuff! In case you are wondering I use the Luna Mighty Mini 52v in a tool bag inside the triangle and get around 20 miles PAS. Plus that is a 36 tooth front ring from Luna for climbing 10 - 12% single tracks. Don't care about 30mph, care about getting to the top of the mountain without stopping. :)
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Drop Dead Fred » Jan 10 2018 7:59pm

e-eagle wrote:
Jan 10 2018 9:26am
gidooo wrote:
Oct 14 2017 11:48am
Nice bike, i'm looking for something similar, frame only but shorter chainstay and x large. Could you share the price for the bike and shipping.
Hi!

I am looking for a frame like you, for Bafang Ultra! But it looks like Frey is the only alternative?
I now have the Bafang BBSHD on a Mondraker Dune but motor is to low....

My dream is something like the https://www.haibike.com/en/INT/bikes/61 ... wnhll-10-0. but with the Bafang ultra with 52 volts battery...

Did you find any alternative to the Frey Frame?
e-Eagle,

If you want to build a frameset I found the frame I posted earlier on Aliexpress, kind of pricey but if you want a nice frame it looks pretty solid.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MTB-E-B ... a6dc&tpp=1

Note: The AM1000 is a much better buy...
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Drop Dead Fred » Jan 11 2018 12:37am

Savin wrote:
Jan 10 2018 3:05pm
I have ordered this frame for the G510 Bafang motor, it is designed for 27 in and they can also build the frame with enclosed battery compartment.
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Savin,

What about a carbon fiber frame with motor, $1200? Tripped across this one today on AliExpress. Battery not included but can get it with a motor for looks like about $1300 including shipping.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2018-NE ... 42406.html
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by FREYebikes » Jan 11 2018 3:09am

As I known, this carbon frame match for Bafang Max Motor 250W/350W.
Drop Dead Fred wrote:
Jan 11 2018 12:37am
Savin wrote:
Jan 10 2018 3:05pm
I have ordered this frame for the G510 Bafang motor, it is designed for 27 in and they can also build the frame with enclosed battery compartment.
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Savin,

What about a carbon fiber frame with motor, $1200? Tripped across this one today on AliExpress. Battery not included but can get it with a motor for looks like about $1300 including shipping.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2018-NE ... 42406.html

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Savin » Jan 11 2018 3:17am

I did not want to start with Carbon fiber for first one but I love that frame, but it will not fit the G510 motor, I want the 1000watt. My next one will be carbon.

Thanks for showing me this Drop Dead Fred

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Drop Dead Fred » Jan 11 2018 12:04pm

FREYebikes wrote:
Jan 11 2018 3:09am
As I known, this carbon frame match for Bafang Max Motor 250W/350W.
Drop Dead Fred wrote:
Jan 11 2018 12:37am
Savin wrote:
Jan 10 2018 3:05pm
I have ordered this frame for the G510 Bafang motor, it is designed for 27 in and they can also build the frame with enclosed battery compartment.
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Savin,

What about a carbon fiber frame with motor, $1200? Tripped across this one today on AliExpress. Battery not included but can get it with a motor for looks like about $1300 including shipping.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2018-NE ... 42406.html
Yes I did know that this was for the 250/350 watt motor. I only showed this frame with motor more for a reference.

I been a bike builder for about 15 years and have to say that in researching building my own eMtn Bike the AM1000 is best price point for what I want available for the items I want in a nice build and I was very surprised by that. The only things I plan on changing on the AM1000 will be the wheels and the seat. Seats are personal, as far as wheels I just prefer Stan's No Tubes Sentry MK3 for wheels as I like tubeless and Stan's has performed wonderfully for me and my style of riding. Because when you are downhilling and a wheel burps you go down hard... Stan's don't burp!

Here are the main points of the AM1000 that make it so appealing:
1. 160mm travel, I like lots of travel, as long as it flows well.
2. Boost spacing, again I wish to ride 27.5+ 2.8 - 3.0 tires and you can't do that without boost spacing. I've tried it, rubs a lot...
3. 12 x 148mm through axle, because you can't push that much weight and be stable with QR axles!
4. MMG510.1000 motor, while 350w - 500w are fine for most people as I get older it never hurts to have more umph if needed.
5. 48V/21Ah battery, that's huge and like a $750.00 battery on the open market! (Can't wait to see what kind of mileage\time I can get on it.)
6. Able to upgrade to a Lyrk fork for a good price
7. Magura MT5 brakes, a nice brake set with 203mm front rotor to stop the beast!

To break it down, there is only one 160mm travel eMtn Bike frame out there for building that I have been able to find and it's $2700.00 delivered. It's also not boost spacing so 27.5 x 2.5 is the max on tires. Moving on you need a fork and that will cost you $600 - $1000. Now Motor, that's $600.00, battery $750.00, brakes $350.00, wheels $300 - $600, cassette and derailleur set $300 - $400. See where I'm going with this? Not including the frame you already have an easy $3000.00 in parts, (yes this is a quality build, you do want something that works correctly right?) To top that off you still have not purchased tires (nice tubeless can cost $90 a tire, mine did), handle bar, grips, seat, seat tube (oh you want a dropper add $300). Almost forgot, cable set, headset, stem, oh and pedals.

Now once you add all that together not counting my time to build it you are in the neighborhood of $6000.00, go buy an AM1000 it is way cheaper.

If you take the frame in question above with 350w motor that is going to cost $1300.00 delivered, so you are at only $4300 - $4500... AM1000 still better buy and G510.1000 motor.

The only way you can do this cheaper is that you already have all the parts and if so then you already spent the money. just a little at a time so as not let your wife know how much you spent totally... yes I do it too! :)

Ok kids, keep in mind that the bike I describe above is meant to compete\ride with the HaiBikes, Turbo Levos and Focus bikes. This is not a bike path cruiser as I'm not a bike path rider. While I'm in my 60s I still like attacking 10 - 12% uphill technical grades and bombing downhill! The AM1000 should handle that just fine for a great price!

Yes you can build something cheaper, and that is what you will have a cheaper bike.

Before you start hating remember that this is my opinion only on what 'I' want in a bike that I can build to compete with the big boy bikes off road. AM1000 hands down best buy...

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Drop Dead Fred » Jan 11 2018 12:07pm

Savin wrote:
Jan 11 2018 3:17am
I did not want to start with Carbon fiber for first one but I love that frame, but it will not fit the G510 motor, I want the 1000watt. My next one will be carbon.

Thanks for showing me this Drop Dead Fred
Savin,

I did talk with the company a couple of months ago and the rep related that spring 2018 they would have a G510 version... just fyi. And you are right it is a very pretty frame!

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by FREYebikes » Jan 13 2018 3:17am

I forgot to tell that we have this carbon fiber bike with Bafang Max 350W soon as attached. It is in 29" wheel. with front and rear 120mm travel.
Anyone interested at some bike in Carbon fiber frame can contact us.
Drop Dead Fred wrote:
Jan 11 2018 12:37am
Savin wrote:
Jan 10 2018 3:05pm
I have ordered this frame for the G510 Bafang motor, it is designed for 27 in and they can also build the frame with enclosed battery compartment.
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Savin,

What about a carbon fiber frame with motor, $1200? Tripped across this one today on AliExpress. Battery not included but can get it with a motor for looks like about $1300 including shipping.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2018-NE ... 42406.html
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by starky_boi » Jan 13 2018 3:28am

Is it in the plans for you to provide a certificate of conformity for EU-market oriented bikes ?
Here in Europe, it would boost your sales for 250W / 25km/h bikes !
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by FREYebikes » Jan 13 2018 3:34am

Another news to friends here is:
We are having a fat bike version AM1000 soon. same suspension construction as AM1000, with front ROCKSHOX Bluto fork 26" 120mm travel, rear ROCKSHOX Monarch suspension.
We are having 2 sample bikes ready soon. But not sure about what color for frame will be pretty, matte black too much, Any advice from you on colors for our reference?

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by sgillf » Jan 13 2018 3:45am

I've been waiting for the fat bike version!

Here's my wish list :
-Tires: Vee Bulldozer Ebike tire (4.25) with tubeless ready rims
-Old Man Mountain front and Rear Racks http://www.oldmanmountain.com/ABUS.html
-Any solutions for security built in? (see gps battery solution)
-Fenders
-Dark Green Camouflage finish
-Built-in lighting (Ideally directly wired to battery so it doesn’t take up the USB port)

The fat bike would also double as a hunting bike

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by amigafan2003 » Jan 13 2018 8:36am

FREYebikes wrote:
Jan 13 2018 3:34am
Another news to friends here is:
We are having a fat bike version AM1000 soon. same suspension construction as AM1000, with front ROCKSHOX Bluto fork 26" 120mm travel, rear ROCKSHOX Monarch suspension.
We are having 2 sample bikes ready soon. But not sure about what color for frame will be pretty, matte black too much, Any advice from you on colors for our reference?
Do lime greem with mat black accents and you can:-

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Like this:-

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by robocam » Jan 13 2018 10:06am

My favorite color is electric blue or Laguna Seca Blue. The only problem is that when we need touchup paint, where would we find it? Find a nail polish of a close color? But it will never be a match. Maybe you could provide an automotive paint code so that we can have paint made at an automotive paint shop.

And speaking of the Pivot, how close can you come to its 44 lb weight? =)

http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/news/artic ... ook-50706/

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FREYebikes wrote:
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...But not sure about what color for frame will be pretty, matte black too much, Any advice from you on colors for our reference?

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Johne-bike » Jan 14 2018 8:28am

FREYebikes wrote:
Jan 13 2018 3:34am
Another news to friends here is:
We are having a fat bike version AM1000 soon. same suspension construction as AM1000, with front ROCKSHOX Bluto fork 26" 120mm travel, rear ROCKSHOX Monarch suspension.
We are having 2 sample bikes ready soon. But not sure about what color for frame will be pretty, matte black too much, Any advice from you on colors for our reference?
This is indeed excellent news!
I was about to order an AM 1000 regular bike, but I really wanted a Fatbike version.. I currently ride a Fatbike with Mxus 3000w and Front suspension, but have dreamed of a Mid motor, FS version so Frey's news is very exciting.
My colour first choice would be Semi Matt Black with Red Anodised Jinhua Powercircle rims with the Triangle cutouts. They are strong, and beautifully finished. This is the colour of my current Fatbike, and I love it!
My second choice would be the BMW Estoril Blue or similar, with Gold or black Anodised Jinhua Powercircle rims, again with the triangle cutouts.
I can't wait to see more details of the prototype bikes, and information on the future production models, specs and prices..
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Johne-bike » Jan 14 2018 8:45am

For the Fatbike version, I would also like the option to order factory Front and Rear Fenders.
Also a Rear Carrier rack, ideally strong enough to carry a 60kg load, so suitable for carrying a pillion passenger at times. Now my Fatbike has a 25kgs rated rear carrier and seat fitted, which is fine for taking my 9 year old daughter to school. But sometimes my 50kgs wife would like to have a ride out on the back..!!
For me, Fenders are essential. My current bike is fitted with my own home made PVC front and rear fenders, and crudguard which look good and work well, but take a lot of work to make. Factory fitted versions would be wonderful!
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by icehunter » Jan 15 2018 8:45am

Congratulations on the AM1000 fat bike.
My 5 cents on the bike:
- I like the styling of both the Pivot and the Haibike as the battery/motor are flushly integrated, there is almost no bump in the frame where the battery/motor are. It is therefore not obvious that these bikes have a motor, which is a BIG plus. Battery drops down in both cases, perhaps that is out of necessity as it would be harder to lift them up if they are not raised in frame.
- CE marking is necessary both on bike and battery, otherwise we in Europe can not import the bike, or risk the bike be returned at customs.
- Integrated lights, the controller display already has a button for lights
- Fenders definately.
- Tubeless ready rims, I guess
- Colour, hard to say, but I would copy the Haibike or the Pivot. Why reinvent the wheel if somebody else has already done the research of "mass appeal".

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by sgillf » Jan 15 2018 1:08pm

One more thing to add to the list for me would be the more subtle display bafang offers:

DP E12.UART
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I find the big color display nice, but out of place...

EDIT:
On further review, I like the following controllers even better - and all of them have bluetooth:
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all can be seen here: http://www.bafang-e.com/en/components/hmi.html

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by nataS@phnet.fi » Jan 17 2018 5:18am

Couldn't agree more! I used to hide the screen on my bike in battery case on the bike that got stolen, smaller size is always plus for me. More stealth.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Tom L » Jan 17 2018 6:49am

I like the smaller displays too.

Hey robocam, any updates on the ride experience now that you’ve had it for a few weeks?

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