My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Strider » Feb 21 2019 2:47am

Ecyclist wrote:
Feb 20 2019 5:56pm
Strider wrote:
Feb 19 2019 5:56pm
FREYebikes wrote:
Feb 18 2019 2:23am
Now we have a distributor in Switzerland for AM1000.
o00scorpion00o wrote:
Feb 16 2019 4:11am
Does anyone know if there are any E.U suppliers of Frey Bikes ?
FREY, do you also sell Urban/City bikes?
I cycle everyday in my suit to the office, hence, a mountainbike is not going to work :)
Sure, it will work. In fact it will work better than anything else. Just install cheap plastic fenders and go.
I just don't get people who want to use electric bike without suspension.
Would you use car or motorcycle without suspension? I don't think so.
Unless, of course, your goals are to injure your spine and wrists and collect some kind of disability paycheck. :twisted:
With a Urban/City bike i mean:
- Nexus 8 gear (less maintenance, no derailleur)
- Steer that is positioned higher
- Steer with a curve in it, relaxer for your wrists
- Smaller tires
- Other saddle
- Lock
- bicycle stand
- Good fenders

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Ecyclist » Feb 21 2019 12:26pm

Strider wrote:
Feb 21 2019 2:47am
Ecyclist wrote:
Feb 20 2019 5:56pm
Strider wrote:
Feb 19 2019 5:56pm
FREYebikes wrote:
Feb 18 2019 2:23am
Now we have a distributor in Switzerland for AM1000.

FREY, do you also sell Urban/City bikes?
I cycle everyday in my suit to the office, hence, a mountainbike is not going to work :)
Sure, it will work. In fact it will work better than anything else. Just install cheap plastic fenders and go.
I just don't get people who want to use electric bike without suspension.
Would you use car or motorcycle without suspension? I don't think so.
Unless, of course, your goals are to injure your spine and wrists and collect some kind of disability paycheck. :twisted:
With a Urban/City bike i mean:
- Nexus 8 gear (less maintenance, no derailleur)
- Steer that is positioned higher
- Steer with a curve in it, relaxer for your wrists
- Smaller tires
- Other saddle
- Lock
- bicycle stand
- Good fenders
You best bet will be BAFANG 750W kit like this one:
https://www.amazon.com/BAFANG-BBS02B-El ... merReviews
Pick yourself a bike you like and install that kit. It is not that hard and it will cost you much less.
If you pick the bike that is common in Netherlands you will be able to get parts for it any time.
It will be an ideal commuter for you.
Good luck.
Don't expect from life to be easy and then it will be.
My builds:
Avian with hypocycloidal drive https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 2#p1318056
2016 GNG extreme drive https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 28&t=82252

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Strider » Feb 21 2019 12:34pm

Ecyclist wrote:
Feb 21 2019 12:26pm
Strider wrote:
Feb 21 2019 2:47am
Ecyclist wrote:
Feb 20 2019 5:56pm
Strider wrote:
Feb 19 2019 5:56pm


FREY, do you also sell Urban/City bikes?
I cycle everyday in my suit to the office, hence, a mountainbike is not going to work :)
Sure, it will work. In fact it will work better than anything else. Just install cheap plastic fenders and go.
I just don't get people who want to use electric bike without suspension.
Would you use car or motorcycle without suspension? I don't think so.
Unless, of course, your goals are to injure your spine and wrists and collect some kind of disability paycheck. :twisted:
With a Urban/City bike i mean:
- Nexus 8 gear (less maintenance, no derailleur)
- Steer that is positioned higher
- Steer with a curve in it, relaxer for your wrists
- Smaller tires
- Other saddle
- Lock
- bicycle stand
- Good fenders
You best bet will be BAFANG 750W kit like this one:
https://www.amazon.com/BAFANG-BBS02B-El ... merReviews
Pick yourself a bike you like and install that kit. It is not that hard and it will cost you much less.
If you pick the bike that is common in Netherlands you will be able to get parts for it any time.
It will be an ideal commuter for you.
Good luck.
However, you won't have a torque sense, that's what i liked about the Bafang Ultra engine.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Animalector » Feb 21 2019 3:03pm

Tsdz2. Torque sensor bolt on very awesome

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by NoFanBoiz » Feb 22 2019 4:09pm

Does this bike come with a brand name battery pack such as Bafang or does it come with a cheapo generic pack?

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by joshuaho96 » Feb 24 2019 1:28am

Honestly, I get the sense that Frey doesn't have enough staff. I've contacted Ivy and gotten replies but they're often extremely slow and no info. I don't see a point in waiting for Frey to get its act together so I went with a Biktrix Ultra FS.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by garyal1 » Feb 25 2019 10:07am

I see lots of comments about "slow responses" from Frey on this thread:

1) I have purchased from Frey 5 or 6 times between buying bikes, buying frames and buying parts.

2) The only time I did not get a rapid and timely response is when I just emailed them direct.

3) After I joined and registered with Alibaba, I now contact Ivy thru Alibaba and I get a quick response every time!

4) On my last order there was some confusion, (mostly my fault) Frey came back and made it right for me without any hassle. I am very happy with the response, response time, value and quality from this company. 2 bikes, one frame one Bafang Ultra drive and numerous parts orders give me a legit track record to say this company responds and is all about service.

5) JOIN ALIBABA

6) A certain Ebike company in southern Calif. who offers online bikes and parts could take lessons from Ivy at Frey about customer service, value and quality...…..timely responses Etc. Etc. Etc.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by joshuaho96 » Feb 25 2019 5:04pm

I don't think that Ivy is bad at their job or anything like that. It just seems like Frey is maybe not prepared for a big influx of orders/inquiries right now, I've been contacting her through Alibaba and my messages are just kind of going dead right now after multiple days of waiting between messages.

I'd still be interested in an HT1000 as an alternative to the Juiced CCX/HF1100, Juiced is dead to me as a company with their utter lack of interest in quality control and customer service but for the near term I went with another company.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by FREYebikes » Feb 25 2019 11:27pm

Hi everyone,

I found I missed to get some emails come from gmail, that's because some unproper setting in server, some emails blocked in middle, that's why I have not answered emails promptly. that you think we don't answer you.

At the same time, we will have some more colleague to serve customers following.

Regards,
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Hardcore » Feb 27 2019 5:17am

garyal1 wrote:
Feb 25 2019 10:07am
I see lots of comments about "slow responses" from Frey on this thread:

1) I have purchased from Frey 5 or 6 times between buying bikes, buying frames and buying parts.

2) The only time I did not get a rapid and timely response is when I just emailed them direct.

3) After I joined and registered with Alibaba, I now contact Ivy thru Alibaba and I get a quick response every time!

4) On my last order there was some confusion, (mostly my fault) Frey came back and made it right for me without any hassle. I am very happy with the response, response time, value and quality from this company. 2 bikes, one frame one Bafang Ultra drive and numerous parts orders give me a legit track record to say this company responds and is all about service.

5) JOIN ALIBABA

6) A certain Ebike company in southern Calif. who offers online bikes and parts could take lessons from Ivy at Frey about customer service, value and quality...…..timely responses Etc. Etc. Etc.
I have not had any slow response besides during the Chinese holidays, on the contrary, I am pleasantly surprised by the quickness of Frey/Ivy in resolving any after-purchase support. I feel at ease knowing that I bought a bike from China directly and can deal with them directly.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Danmcd » Mar 05 2019 7:18pm

I placed and order for a HT1000 on 2/16 and didn't have any problem with response times. I asked for an extra battery, charger, and a few other miscellaneous things. I did all of this communication thru the Alibaba app. Ivy set up the purchase, and I confirmed the order and paid. So far everything seems to be going smoothly. This is my first purchase thru Alibaba. I'll update with some more info when the bike arrives.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by leedavis » Mar 06 2019 9:11am

I just ordered an AM1000 from Frey on Alibaba. I communicated with Frey (Grace) through Alibaba and response time was within minutes during their business hours.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by NoFanBoiz » Mar 06 2019 4:16pm

Amazing. Two new members join and their first posts are glowing "reviews" of chats with Frey.

Perhaps some real reviews once the bikes arrive with photos with a local newspaper to prove they are real reviews.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by leedavis » Mar 08 2019 10:00am

NoFanBoiz wrote:
Mar 06 2019 4:16pm
Amazing. Two new members join and their first posts are glowing "reviews" of chats with Frey.

Perhaps some real reviews once the bikes arrive with photos with a local newspaper to prove they are real reviews.
Aha! You've pierced the conspiracy. Hang a sheet from your bedroom window and our organization will contact you.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by garyal1 » Mar 10 2019 12:36am

Hey Lee,

welcome to the site! We have had our Frey AM 1000 full suspension for about a year now. Stills rides like new and is a great handling bike. I am sure you will be happy with it.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by leedavis » Mar 11 2019 10:01am

garyal1 wrote:
Mar 10 2019 12:36am
Hey Lee,

welcome to the site! We have had our Frey AM 1000 full suspension for about a year now. Stills rides like new and is a great handling bike. I am sure you will be happy with it.
Good to hear. Though I can comment favorably about the price, order process and communication with Frey through Alibaba, that doesn't mean I know much about eMTB. It's new to me though I'm excited to get started!

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by garyal1 » Mar 11 2019 12:08pm

Yes Lee, I have gotten back into bikes in the past year or so. After 50+ years without a bike, I was a little surprised on my first bike order, when it arrived there was more to set up than I expected! The second and third bikes we bought, I had my local bike shop do a set up and inspection as I was worried about bikes assembled in China. Turns out the bikes were well built and well assembled according to my local bike guy.

By now I have reacquired" enough knowledge to set up the 4th one myself ( Frey HT 1000) and I even ordered an additional frame so I can build a hardtail with 3500 watt controller (72 volts x 50 amps) using a grin Phase Runner instead of stock Bafang controller on the Ultra.

If doing setup yourself on full suspension, make sure you put air into the shock and fork to match your weight before test riding!

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by leedavis » Mar 11 2019 12:42pm

garyal1 wrote:
Mar 11 2019 12:08pm
If doing setup yourself on full suspension, make sure you put air into the shock and fork to match your weight before test riding!
Thanks for the tip. I'm coming at eMTB from street and dirt motorcycles where quality suspension components, properly adjusted make all the difference. What attracted me to try eMTB is that many trails where I live in the North Carolina Appalachians are closed to motorcycles but open to bicycles.

The Frey AM1000 appears to have good suspension at a price that doesn't scare 1st time buyers who aren't sure about all this, like me.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by FREYebikes » Mar 12 2019 1:08am

Hi friends,

Grace is my colleague accept order and offer prompt service.
Now we are having an order tracking system get online, after we accept your order and as soon as we arrange the order, you will get update info by email. in this way, you will learn your order process immediately.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by bugnut » Mar 15 2019 5:43pm

After months of researching and hemming and hawing I just purchased the AM1000. Next I will be researching best way to keep the battery in peak condition. So if anyone has advice on maintaining batteries, advise would be appreciated.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by SunnyDay1 » Mar 15 2019 8:19pm

I ordered my AM1000 mid-December and received the bike on January 31st. I just hit 300 miles and so far so good. It's a fun bike, lots of torque and speed when you need it and the ride is nice. I'm running tubeless on the stock rims which is nice. I ordered the bike with 2-52v batteries, SRAM ex1, gear sensor, Maxxis Rekon 2.8 TR tires, and Lyrik front forks.
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Marmalade » Mar 19 2019 8:17pm

bugnut wrote:
Mar 15 2019 5:43pm
After months of researching and hemming and hawing I just purchased the AM1000. Next I will be researching best way to keep the battery in peak condition. So if anyone has advice on maintaining batteries, advise would be appreciated.
best thing I did (as per Ivans posts) was to ditch the internal BMS and put in a Neptune controller. Charge/discharge is adjustable via your android phone over bluetooth and has many other nice things too. Will help save your batteries over the standard charger & bms combo.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by rayebiker » Mar 20 2019 11:43pm

anybody tried running the am1000 as a single speed? It seems to have plenty of torque. My ride buddy never changes the gears and it make me wonder.

For those interested, I have had the Frey for several months and quite a few rides. I would suggest ordering an extra few dropouts (as others have suggested). Both myself and my friend have damaged one each. also know that the xt rear derailleur has a dropout linkage that is replaceable. We both have damaged one of these also. part is "Shimano XT RD-M8000 Rear Derailleur Bracket Axle Unit, "B" for SLX RD-M7000-11". $16 and worth having an extra one. The bike has so much torque that if you get a stick into your spokes, you are bending that derailleur bracket or the dropout. Also order the gear sensor with the bike. I think it is worth it for sure. I programmed mine with full throttle in any setting which is definitely the way to go.

Put on a dropper post, get a left under bar throttle (see my previous post). I put a 3.0 bridger on the front. when I put it on the back, the chain rubs in the granny gear, so I keep the 2.8 in the back. Tubeless is super easy, as other posts have mentioned. Gorilla 1" tape, 3-4 oz of stans, and hit it with a compressor. done.

The bike is tons of fun, and I ride pretty hard, single track. handles great, but if you high center, it is a monster to keep up at 65 lbs. running at power 5 and heavy throttle, i get 20 miles. actually using assist, it can be much more than that, but you will end up heavy on the throttle due to the fun factor. It is awesome riding uphill at 20 mph and doing jumps while going uphill!

Frey has been receptive to our issues. We had a dropout broken upon delivery. they sent new ones. had a rear skewer strip. they sent a new one. Had a tail light break. They sent a new one. we ordered extra 52v batteries for long rides. they sent them with a good rate.

I have had a few heavy crashes. the bike got scratched up, but no damage, so can say it is a durable bike.
I will attach a chart i found for the 52 v battery (since the readout will be off for 52v).
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Lefre » Mar 21 2019 6:08am

Hey all,

I'm looking to buy one of the Frey bikes with the g510/bafang ultra but can't decide which one. I noticed their alibaba page has a ton of different models/years with prices varying quite far apart. Do the cheaper models differ greatly from the more expensive ones? Ideally I want a full suspension (hard tail is okay too if the prices are too far apart) but price is the limiting factor for me. I'm looking for something around 2k usd and can possibly stretch to 3k after shipping. I looked at all their bikes and the most obvious difference was the battery size. I guess what I'm really asking is, does the price increase correlate proportionately with the quality or should I just aim for their cheapest model? I don't need really crazy expensive forks as I mostly ride bike trails but I assume that the more expensive models are lighter (which I'm interested in). Am I talking in circles? :lol: it's 4am and I've been looking through Frey and alibaba for the past few hours. Thanks all.

Edit: Also does anyone have any information on the leili bikes?
https://m.alibaba.com/product/608432961 ... celog=null

Edit2: I noticed the juggernaut ultra by biktrix has similar specs but with free shipping/no tax (and they offer financing!) Downside is that the default battery is only 11ah
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Hardcore » Mar 21 2019 7:00am

You can talk directly to them about your wishes, but don't make your decision overnight. Make sure that what you invest will satisfy you. Regarding price/quality, every price increase is due to quality increase as far as I have experienced with Frey. No personal experience with the cheaper 2k models though. If alibaba offers many different options/older posts, have a look at their website, http://www.frey.bike/ , showing 4 main models and their specs.

Weight does not change much depending on the components/price, it will be a heavy bike. The only difference I have seen so far is the size of the battery that could have some effect. Most models come with either 1000Wh 48v or 910Wh 52v version but I have seen smaller batteries.

My advise would be to get a good frame+motor+battery first and start from there on with the parts. This will determine if an FS or HT is more within your budget. Only hardtails start below 2k, while full suspension starts around 2.3k but most models are nearly 3k.

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