My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by robocam » Jan 17 2018 4:01pm

I wish I had more to tell you, but it's been too cold for me to ride. I'll try to post more videos as soon as I get a chance to.
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...Hey robocam, any updates on the ride experience now that you’ve had it for a few weeks?

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Johne-bike » Jan 18 2018 4:48pm

Just received 2 photos of the prototype Frey AM 1000 Fatbike from Ivy Wang.
I think it is looking really good, and can't wait to see the production version, and receive pricing and final specifications.
I have particularly asked them to manufacture Front And Rear Fenders as a factory option.. I think there will be many takers for this new addition to their range. I am certainly in line for one to add to my existing Hardtail Mxus 3000w fatbike!
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Frey AM 1000 Fatbike prototype
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

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Johne-bike wrote:
Jan 18 2018 4:48pm
Just received 2 photos of the prototype Frey AM 1000 Fatbike from Ivy Wang.
I think it is looking really good, and can't wait to see the production version, and receive pricing and final specifications.
I have particularly asked them to manufacture Front And Rear Fenders as a factory option.. I think there will be many takers for this new addition to their range. I am certainly in line for one to add to my existing Hardtail Mxus 3000w fatbike!

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Interesting 6-point linkage. The pivot points on the floating rear triangle don't look too beefy.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Drop Dead Fred » Jan 20 2018 1:06am

Hey gang,

I was reading in some other group that a bunch of guys got together and got a large order in the EU to get a big discount.

Anyone interested in saving $500 - $700 on this bike?

Thinking of setting up a go fund me site, think there would be enough interest in the US? Would need roughly 60 - 140 orders, the 140 side would get better discount because of less shipping costs.

I'm thinking, $3k to your door.

DDF...

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Keithonline » Jan 22 2018 6:04am

What port of entry would that be? Who would handle breaking up the order and shipping to your door?

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by LUMOcustom » Jan 22 2018 7:33am

Hello,
I've read some entries in this forum for a while. Today I registered to say 'thank you' to all the guys here who give their time and knowledge to all the beginners like me. I am not an ebiker as yet, but I think it's a good time to start. I am planning to open a motorcycle touring and rental company in the next year or so. As part of the tour we want to offer our guests the possibility of a trip within a tour on an electrical bike through a farm to really spectacular views. And I would like a good ebike for my under 20km trips, the daily commute etc... So I am looking to buy 2 or three different types of relatively powerful electric bikes. At the moment we're looking at a Lunacycle Apex with Rohloff hub, a Stromer ST2 and, after looking for something not that expensive, a Frey AM1000S or a Sobowo A8. Later we plan to buy 10 to 12 of the favorite bike to use it for the tour in the tour. I would buy the Frey any time if it came with IGH and I would even pay the Grand of extra costs with a smile just because of what I hear about the reliability of this Rohloff Hub.
But... My question here is: Wouldn't a bike used mostly for commuting best have 29' wheels, a bike for lots of OffRoad use 27.5' and in mud or snow you'd use 26' fat? I only found one company where you have options like this. Why does Frey or Lunacycle not offer different Versions of 'One' bike like this?
And if anybody has another Idea what bikes I might be able to use... bring it on... should have at least 750W. And I guess I'd prefer a mid motor... but having said that I loved the Stromer I tried for an hour recently around the city...
Thanks again
Uli

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Daxxie » Jan 22 2018 2:15pm

LUMOcustom wrote:
Jan 22 2018 7:33am
And if anybody has another Idea what bikes I might be able to use... bring it on... should have at least 750W. And I guess I'd prefer a mid motor... but having said that I loved the Stromer I tried for an hour recently around the city...
Thanks again
Uli
These look pretty good.
Fatbike available soon.
And I heard they offer the frames for sale also.

https://www.exess-bikes.de/

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Robleman » Jan 22 2018 4:28pm

Hi,

Does anyone knows why Bafang no longer annouces the Ultra Max in his page and it only appears the M600?

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Post by Savin » Jan 22 2018 4:33pm

It is there you have to click and it will expand to show you m620 which is the Ultra Max

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Post by FREYebikes » Jan 22 2018 11:25pm

Although Bafang website showed system information, in fact, as manufacturer we get always without battery part. So far, we have not seen the tube for battery or any matching battery for Ultra or coming m500/600 system.
We will see what they will supply in real condition in coming month.
Robleman wrote:
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Hi,

Does anyone knows why Bafang no longer annouces the Ultra Max in his page and it only appears the M600?

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by FREYebikes » Jan 22 2018 11:27pm

This bike looks really pretty. Only the battery fit on down tube can't be big enough.
From the bike picture, it seems the rear triangle is also fixed.
Daxxie wrote:
Jan 22 2018 2:15pm
LUMOcustom wrote:
Jan 22 2018 7:33am
And if anybody has another Idea what bikes I might be able to use... bring it on... should have at least 750W. And I guess I'd prefer a mid motor... but having said that I loved the Stromer I tried for an hour recently around the city...
Thanks again
Uli
These look pretty good.
Fatbike available soon.
And I heard they offer the frames for sale also.

https://www.exess-bikes.de/

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by LUMOcustom » Jan 23 2018 6:40am

FREYebikes wrote:
Jan 22 2018 11:27pm
This bike looks really pretty. Only the battery fit on down tube can't be big enough.
From the bike picture, it seems the rear triangle is also fixed.
Daxxie wrote:
Jan 22 2018 2:15pm
LUMOcustom wrote:
Jan 22 2018 7:33am
And if anybody has another Idea what bikes I might be able to use... bring it on... should have at least 750W. And I guess I'd prefer a mid motor... but having said that I loved the Stromer I tried for an hour recently around the city...
Thanks again
Uli
These look pretty good.
Fatbike available soon.
And I heard they offer the frames for sale also.

https://www.exess-bikes.de/

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If you go to their website you'll see it's not a fixed rear and they offer 2 different batteries for the bike. They offer different wheel sizes as well if needed and/or IGH.
Looks very decent but is definitely much more expensive than the Frey AM1000S. More like a Lunacycle Apex. And maybe Frey might be able to match the German built quality...
What do you think?

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Post by robocam » Jan 23 2018 2:20pm

Actually, she means the rear triangle is a fixed unit. She's not saying it's a bad thing. In fact the Frey AM1000 has a fixed rear triangle as does the Giant Full E.

One thing I noticed is that Exess don't offer a small frame size, which could be a problem for some. I wonder if it has to do with its 180mm of travel.

Wish the battery was more integrated.

Bike looks nice though :)
LUMOcustom wrote:
Jan 23 2018 6:40am
If you go to their website you'll see it's not a fixed rear...

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Tom L » Jan 23 2018 4:54pm

The Exess bike is very pretty and expensive. I emailed them a few weeks ago asking about freight costs and a couple of technical questions (e.g. e-brakes?) . I have heard nothing back. Not very promising.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by icehunter » Jan 24 2018 1:16pm

Please keep this thread civil :wink:

I saw this Sobowo A8 as well and thought its design interesting, just don´t know anything about the bike and have not seen any review of it. If you buy one, please let us know what you thought :)

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Drop Dead Fred » Jan 26 2018 12:22am

Keithonline wrote:
Jan 22 2018 6:04am
What port of entry would that be? Who would handle breaking up the order and shipping to your door?
Port would be Long Beach, I'm looking into a shipping company and trying to determine cost to break up the order and ship them out. Also I have some friends in the area that I could stay at while doing this if needed.

If we could get at least 140 units ordered that would give us the best cost for shipping, around $1300.00 for the whole container. So $10.00 a bike, then shipping in the US via UPS or FedEx would be around $125 - $175 depending on location.

That is way cheaper than the amount I'm paying for my bike. Individual bike shipping is almost as much as a container, just not allowed to say the price.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Drop Dead Fred » Jan 26 2018 12:30am

LUMOcustom wrote:
Jan 23 2018 6:40am
FREYebikes wrote:
Jan 22 2018 11:27pm
This bike looks really pretty. Only the battery fit on down tube can't be big enough.
From the bike picture, it seems the rear triangle is also fixed.
Daxxie wrote:
Jan 22 2018 2:15pm
LUMOcustom wrote:
Jan 22 2018 7:33am
And if anybody has another Idea what bikes I might be able to use... bring it on... should have at least 750W. And I guess I'd prefer a mid motor... but having said that I loved the Stromer I tried for an hour recently around the city...
Thanks again
Uli
These look pretty good.
Fatbike available soon.
And I heard they offer the frames for sale also.

https://www.exess-bikes.de/

Image
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If you go to their website you'll see it's not a fixed rear and they offer 2 different batteries for the bike. They offer different wheel sizes as well if needed and/or IGH.
Looks very decent but is definitely much more expensive than the Frey AM1000S. More like a Lunacycle Apex. And maybe Frey might be able to match the German built quality...
What do you think?
I was just at their site and it is a carbon frame. I have been told that Carbon frame Ultra motor mount is coming in the spring.

As far as Frey using same quality. If you scroll through the bike they are using the same fork as Frey AM1000 and while they are using the GX 1x11 you can get that from Frey also just requires a different free wheel. So yes I think you can get the same quality from Frey, if not better.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Keithonline » Jan 26 2018 6:17am

I have ordered a AM1000 sample to try out. I work with a bike shop that sells Haibikes, and that’s what I ride. I’m getting it shipped to NY port. We’re really excited to see a high power factory-built e-bike. We’re hoping for great quality and finish like the Haibike, and the Frey components are very good. We’re upgrading the sample to a Lyrik fork and also the SRAM EX1 group. On paper this is one of the best spec’d bike to be found. Also, I have to say I’ve dealt with Chinese suppliers in the past, and Ivy, at Frey is by far the single best representative I have ever dealt with. Better than US reps too. Frey’s up front service and comments here has convinced me that they are the manufacturer I want to try out. Hopefully after-sales issues will be small and Frey will be just as helpful as they’ve been with the pre-order service.

Here is a couple of the color schemes Ivy sent. We’re not settled yet on the final choice but I’d like to share with you guys to get some thoughts:
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Johne-bike » Jan 27 2018 2:02am

I love the black frame with the green detailing.. That will be my choice from the 2 you have shown, if they replicate it on the Fatbike version which I plan to buy when Frey launches it.. :D :D

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by broke » Jan 28 2018 2:47am

Copy this and I will buy one anytime. https://www.exess-bikes.de/
frame slack (head angle) this bike is high power.
27+ wheels 3' inch tires
matte black for stealth
180mm travel
I really dont want high spec. parts (it will all be changed anyway)
carbon is nice but not a must.
It would be great if i could just buy frame, motor, and battery,
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Keithonline » Jan 28 2018 8:23am

That Excess bike looks great. The Frey is probably the only bike out there that is very similar, and of course at a much more palatable price. One significant difference is the Frey battery is about 30% bigger. Of course more weight, too.

One area I’d like to discuss is the brakes and the cut-off switches that are apparently on the MT5e. Do other folks out there with high power bikes think power cut-off when hitting the brakes is a good thing, or is it a hassle? When riding and periodically pedaling, and dragging or tapping the break, does it make for a jerky ride? Are they really needed for safety? They certainly make for even more cables to be jumbled up in the cockpit. Good or bad overall?

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by broke » Jan 28 2018 1:45pm

If your going fast off road 180mm travel minimum.
If you have brake cutoff there is a delay when power comes back on. I will never use brake cutoffs I LIKE WHEELIES.
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Animalector » Jan 28 2018 11:09pm

For torque based pedelec having the e-brake cutoff is not an absolute necessity. It's not a typical riding technique to use the brakes while pedalling under power. Sometimes you tap the brakes mid-corner for stability, and in these situations, the delay caused by the e-brake cutoff causes control issues.

For Throttle control, e-brake cutoff makes more sense.

I have a torque mid-drive, and I have removed the E-Brake Cutoff from the front brake, and have left it in place for the rear.
Andy

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by icehunter » Jan 29 2018 7:49am

Just my 2 cents on color and fill-out by battery..... :)
This gives the bike a built-in look rathar than bolted-on look


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