My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by DaninSpain » May 09 2018 11:01am

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In Finland you have to pay VATs (24%) + customs payments 6% = 30%. :cry: I dont know what it could be in other countries. So that bike coming to cost for me totally something 4258 EUR / 5058 USD. So I hope that bike is good because that is not cheap... You will get many other good ebikes from that price. Only reasons why I did that order is that Frey offer bigger motor and battery what other retailers in europe.
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You never know, you might have a nice surprise ;) Anyway, the bike is good. Long after you get over the shock of spending the money, you will have a nice bike to ride.
The best things in life are not things :)

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Mantsos » May 09 2018 11:09am

Haha! :lol: Hope so! Cant wait to get that my bike

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Mantsos » May 10 2018 2:09am

Frey offer two different size/width tires 2.4" and 2.8+". Can someone tell for me what could be a best choice? 2.8" tire width sounds for me little bit too much. What is the typical tire width what people are using on the mountain bikes?

E: I read from the internet that "Most mountain bike tire widths are specified in inches, which typically range from 2.0 to 2.4 inches for cross-country and trail bikes, while enduro and downhill bikes will have even wider tires"

That is really difficult to choice right tires. Maybe I have to go visit in some bike shops and make some own comparisons.

E2: I choosed width 2.4 because I don't always drive only forest.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Drum » May 10 2018 3:16am

Hi Mantsos,
I haven't ridden a Frey, but I rode a Specialized Turbo Levo with 2.8" tyres and thought it worked really well. With the extra power of the AM1000 I would expect it to get better grip offroad with the wider tyres. Of course it depends what type of riding you do, how soft the ground is etc.
If someone has ridden the Frey with both widths, they would be able to comment about the differences.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Drop Dead Fred » May 10 2018 11:56pm

Hi Mantsos,

I wanted to let you know that I think the 2.8 tires work well as was stated before and I think it is from the additional weight. My previous ebike I had 2.4 tires on and squeezed in 2.8 tires and found the ride much more stable, again I think it is because of the extra weight.

On a side note: I did upgrade the wheels to Stans No Tubes Sentry MK3 wheels and Schwalbe Knobby Nic 2.8 tires and took off almost 3 lbs which was rotational weight so a good place to upgrade.

Cheers,
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Mantsos wrote:
May 10 2018 2:09am
Frey offer two different size/width tires 2.4" and 2.8+". Can someone tell for me what could be a best choice? 2.8" tire width sounds for me little bit too much. What is the typical tire width what people are using on the mountain bikes?

E: I read from the internet that "Most mountain bike tire widths are specified in inches, which typically range from 2.0 to 2.4 inches for cross-country and trail bikes, while enduro and downhill bikes will have even wider tires"

That is really difficult to choice right tires. Maybe I have to go visit in some bike shops and make some own comparisons.

E2: I choosed width 2.4 because I don't always drive only forest.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by icehunter » May 11 2018 8:47am

Thanks Dalysea for the pictures
is there any way of attaching mudguards on the front and back? For commuting this would be essential, and as motorized bikes go faster you get more dirt in the air....
Usually they attach to brake calipers & eyelets at the dropouts, but from the photos its hard to see if they can be added to the bike.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Mantsos » May 11 2018 1:01pm

Thank you for the answers! I did my choice and I will try first 2.4" width tyres. Larger could be a better in the forrest etc. but I ride also sometimes on the streets so 2.4" could be a better then there.. :roll:

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by dalysea » May 14 2018 3:13pm

icehunter wrote:
May 11 2018 8:47am
Thanks Dalysea for the pictures
is there any way of attaching mudguards on the front and back? For commuting this would be essential, and as motorized bikes go faster you get more dirt in the air....
Usually they attach to brake calipers & eyelets at the dropouts, but from the photos its hard to see if they can be added to the bike.
I'll transfer over my Mucky Nutz front mud guard and the mud guard I have in the back on my other bike and see if they fit okay.

UPDATE: The Mucky Nutz worked on the bluto fork on the FAT1000, but didn't work well on the Yari fork with 3 inch tire on the AM1000 - not enough clearance IMHO. You could probably bend it into shape over time so it conforms more to the curve of the fork by tightening the velcro straps. I'm pretty sure it would be okay on a 2.8 tire. You should also ask the people who got the Lyrik fork.
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Ambient2010 » May 14 2018 3:15pm

Hello,
I just wanted to know if any of the AM1000 owners ever had anyone in the area and also made small to medium leaps. Not just forest roads.
All right or did anyone ever have problems with the bike?

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Adova » May 14 2018 10:37pm

My $2k order should be here on Wednesday. I forgot about batteries that could be shipping separately. Will post pics on unboxing!

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Hardcore » May 15 2018 11:49am

 any videos yet?
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by dalysea » May 15 2018 12:56pm

Yesterday, May 14th, 2018 — a date which will live in infamy — the Frey FAT1000 was suddenly but not deliberately attacked by an elevator door located at the BART train station owned and operated by the Republic of California. The attack yesterday on the Frey FAT1000 has caused severe damage to the brake lever. I regret to tell you that rear brake functionality has been lost. As a member of the Frey community, I ask that all measures be taken for our defense. But always will our whole community remember the character of the onslaught against us. No matter how long it may take us to overcome this unpremeditated invasion, the Frey people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory. I believe that I interpret the will of the Frey people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost, but will make it very certain that this form of treachery shall never again endanger us. Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our bicycles, and our brake levers are in grave danger.
- Franklin "Frey" Roosevelt

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by fechter » May 15 2018 1:57pm

You're luck to be alive. Those elevators have a history of death and destruction.

BART elevator crushes man in shaft
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/ ... 344912.php
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by dalysea » May 15 2018 7:56pm

fechter wrote:
May 15 2018 1:57pm
You're luck to be alive. Those elevators have a history of death and destruction.

BART elevator crushes man in shaft
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/ ... 344912.php
"... a crunching sound and a scream..."

yes, that's exactly how it happened in my case too.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Peetsyo » May 16 2018 4:12pm

Hi

My current bike is a 250w 36v bafang hub hardtail.
I like light MTB's and use it predominantly riding to office and having fun on the way. My daily commute is about 8km
Therefore i've got only 5Ah 42v battery, that gets me to the office for two days, but i usually charge it every day, like my smartphone

I was planning to build a BBSHD on full suspension carbon frame with small battery, but then i found AM1000.

I might be the future customer, but my new bike would have had following features, that AM1000 is currently missing, and maybe Frey is considering those.

-some sort of embedded SIM card and phone network capability with GPS for basic IoT. If you build or buy a 4000$ bike it needs to have some sort of tracking capability, so you get info when the bike gets moved or stolen.
Nowasays you can buy 15$ kids watch that has GPS tracking over GSM GPRS, so the technology is cheap.

-optional smaller battery to decrease weight (although the bike is so powerful, maybe the weight is not an issue)

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Adova » May 16 2018 5:45pm

I just got my bike assembly started and I have run into an issue. The chain came off of the main gear and is wedged in between the gear and the motor.

Any idea best way to get it out of there? Loosen the motor (it looks like there are two screws but I think they have a good amount of loctite on them)? Or how can I get the main gear off?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Adova » May 16 2018 6:33pm

Nvm - got it figured out - just pulled harder than I would have wanted to.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by qqquent » May 17 2018 5:44pm

Adova wrote:
May 16 2018 6:33pm
Nvm - got it figured out - just pulled harder than I would have wanted to.
I had this problem too. I found that standing next to the bike and slowly backing it up while pedaling backward help me get the chain 'unstuck.'

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by qqquent » May 17 2018 6:05pm

Peetsyo wrote:
May 16 2018 4:12pm
Hi

My current bike is a 250w 36v bafang hub hardtail.
I like light MTB's and use it predominantly riding to office and having fun on the way. My daily commute is about 8km
Therefore i've got only 5Ah 42v battery, that gets me to the office for two days, but i usually charge it every day, like my smartphone

I was planning to build a BBSHD on full suspension carbon frame with small battery, but then i found AM1000.

I might be the future customer, but my new bike would have had following features, that AM1000 is currently missing, and maybe Frey is considering those.

-some sort of embedded SIM card and phone network capability with GPS for basic IoT. If you build or buy a 4000$ bike it needs to have some sort of tracking capability, so you get info when the bike gets moved or stolen.
Nowasays you can buy 15$ kids watch that has GPS tracking over GSM GPRS, so the technology is cheap.

-optional smaller battery to decrease weight (although the bike is so powerful, maybe the weight is not an issue)
I've been riding mine to work, so fun. Some of my ride is through 'single track' type park trails. Bike is amazing in this type of terrain. Fun on the street too, but on trails, going down stairs, jumping things... it's just awesome. Able to jump roots and bumps going uphill! Totally new experience for me. There is enough power that the weight of the bike doesn't seem to be an issue. In fact, with this much power, I'd be interested in an even larger capacity battery that would make extended bike packing trips possible.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Ivanovitch_k » May 17 2018 6:21pm

Peetsyo wrote:
May 16 2018 4:12pm
the AM1000 is definitely not for you then, as light it is not.
you would be better served by the bafang M500/M600 motors, Frey are building some new bikes around them soon.

the AM1000 uses a Reention Dorado ID1+ like battery case. To my knowledge, Frey already offers at least 3 variants, 17.5Ah 48V, 21Ah 48V and 17.5Ah 52V, the later two stick out a bit on the side of the downtube. BTW, FLX-bikes use the same case model but in 36V and luna cycle sells 48V hotrod FLX-compatible batteries.


for gps cellular tracking, just stick something like that, or those in the frame, in the AM1000 there is room in the downtube below the battery.
this one hides in the steerer tube, that one disguises as a lamp
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BBS02B 750W - DPC750C - 48V 17.5Ah GA shark - 11 spd 11-40 Shimano XT, 42T N-W Precialps CW, KMC X11e chain, Gearsensor, XT RD, XTR Shifter, F Saint Brake, R XT Brake, RT99 200/160 Discs, magnetic shutoff, DT Swiss X1900 QR9 wheels, Manitou M30 air fork, 2.4" slick balloon schwalbe Super Moto X tires @2 bars, Suntour NCX suspension seatpost, ergon SFC3 saddle, ergon GP3 grips, Supernova M99 Pro + E12 Taillight

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Adova » May 17 2018 6:25pm

Does anyone know w US source for the batteries the Frey uses?

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Ivanovitch_k » May 17 2018 6:30pm

Adova wrote:
May 17 2018 6:25pm
Does anyone know w US source for the batteries the Frey uses?
as I said in my post, Luna does.

Compatibility needs to be checked though, Reentions Dorados come in different lengths and widths...
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BBS02B 750W - DPC750C - 48V 17.5Ah GA shark - 11 spd 11-40 Shimano XT, 42T N-W Precialps CW, KMC X11e chain, Gearsensor, XT RD, XTR Shifter, F Saint Brake, R XT Brake, RT99 200/160 Discs, magnetic shutoff, DT Swiss X1900 QR9 wheels, Manitou M30 air fork, 2.4" slick balloon schwalbe Super Moto X tires @2 bars, Suntour NCX suspension seatpost, ergon SFC3 saddle, ergon GP3 grips, Supernova M99 Pro + E12 Taillight

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by icehunter » May 18 2018 6:32am

For GPS GSM tracking, this seems perfect, just stick it to the frame and connect to battery
Input Voltage:9-80V
Item Size:about 9*5.2*2cm
Actually how the tracking itself is done, I have no idea.....

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Cruncher123 » May 19 2018 1:29am

Placed an order for the base bike - about 1 month delivery estimate.

But I have a few questions:

Curious if I should ask/request any upgrades? Is it worth upgrading the rear shock or front fork? (I plan to ride some single track.but not do large jumps etc)

I did request a couple of spare derailleur hangers. I also asked about a second wheelset so I could quickly convert to more road-friendly tires, but they weren't able to oblige. Any recommendations for a suitable wheelset/tire/cassette/hub combo and where a good place to get them from is? Will 29ers work?


Has the ill-fitting bearing issue been sorted on newer bikes? (ie, someone reported a suspension bearing couldn't be fully seated and left 1-2mm gap that might allow dirt/debris to enter?).

Should I enquire about the smaller 40T chainring? I plan to be climbing some decent hills and don't really need higher top speed.

I'd like to do some night riding on trails and am considering the Fisher Fab light https://lunacycle.com/fisher-fab-house- ... ike-light/ Is this light something that could be powered from exising wiring, or would I have to splice new wires?

Finally, does this bike have a GearSensor? And if not, do people recommend adding one?

Thanks for any help

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Jebu » May 19 2018 3:40am

Cruncher123 wrote:
May 19 2018 1:29am


Should I enquire about the smaller 40T chainring? I plan to be climbing some decent hills and don't really need higher top speed.
You can use any 130 BCD chainring

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