My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Hardcore » Jul 27 2018 9:14am

I usually take it on the local mountains for downhill and trial riding. The terrain is rough here and I do push it to the limits

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by trooper5707 » Jul 27 2018 11:23am

Just got notice that mine shipped :)
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Drop Dead Fred » Jul 27 2018 4:45pm

Hardcore wrote:
Jul 27 2018 9:14am
I usually take it on the local mountains for downhill and trial riding. The terrain is rough here and I do push it to the limits
Hey Hardcore,

I upgraded my AM1000 wheels to Stan's Sentry MK3 with Hope Pro 4 hubs and took almost 2.5lbs off of rotational weight. After doing that my distance went from 45 miles to 60 miles on PAS 1. Food for thought as rotational weight is one place where you can benefit the most.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Marmalade » Jul 27 2018 8:15pm

trooper5707 wrote:
Jul 27 2018 11:23am
Just got notice that mine shipped :)
How long did yours take Troops? I've been waiting 3 weeks and not even a pic!

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Hardcore » Jul 28 2018 5:19am

Drop Dead Fred wrote:
Jul 27 2018 4:45pm
Hardcore wrote:
Jul 27 2018 9:14am
I usually take it on the local mountains for downhill and trial riding. The terrain is rough here and I do push it to the limits
Hey Hardcore,

I upgraded my AM1000 wheels to Stan's Sentry MK3 with Hope Pro 4 hubs and took almost 2.5lbs off of rotational weight. After doing that my distance went from 45 miles to 60 miles on PAS 1. Food for thought as rotational weight is one place where you can benefit the most.

Fred
I'm talking mainly trail kilometres, on flats I can go 40km on PAS4/5, just don't have the patience to check the range on pas1 :wink: but you are right, rotational mass plays a role, so does the tyre rolling resistance (pressure/thread), wind conditions, rider positioning and weight, human input, you name it. Hence I don't really go into the whole range discussion as it is too difficult to compare. All I can tell you is that I get tired before the bike runs out of juice, especially with two batteries working on full throttle.

Cheers

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Drop Dead Fred » Jul 28 2018 8:57am

Hardcore wrote:
Jul 28 2018 5:19am
Drop Dead Fred wrote:
Jul 27 2018 4:45pm
Hardcore wrote:
Jul 27 2018 9:14am
I usually take it on the local mountains for downhill and trial riding. The terrain is rough here and I do push it to the limits
Hey Hardcore,

I upgraded my AM1000 wheels to Stan's Sentry MK3 with Hope Pro 4 hubs and took almost 2.5lbs off of rotational weight. After doing that my distance went from 45 miles to 60 miles on PAS 1. Food for thought as rotational weight is one place where you can benefit the most.

Fred
I'm talking mainly trail kilometres, on flats I can go 40km on PAS4/5, just don't have the patience to check the range on pas1 :wink: but you are right, rotational mass plays a role, so does the tyre rolling resistance (pressure/thread), wind conditions, rider positioning and weight, human input, you name it. Hence I don't really go into the whole range discussion as it is too difficult to compare. All I can tell you is that I get tired before the bike runs out of juice, especially with two batteries working on full throttle.

Cheers
It sounds like, much like myself, you are having a wonderful time riding your bike!

Keep enjoying it!

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Marmalade » Jul 30 2018 4:30am

spoke to soon, bike is being shipped in a day or so :)
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by trooper5707 » Jul 30 2018 8:20am

Marmalade wrote:
Jul 27 2018 8:15pm
trooper5707 wrote:
Jul 27 2018 11:23am
Just got notice that mine shipped :)
How long did yours take Troops? I've been waiting 3 weeks and not even a pic!
Ordered June 11 - Glad to see you got some details! Love that color!
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

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Here is mine - Can't say I care for the text on the tires, I will prob swap them.
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by eltee » Jul 30 2018 3:30pm

I'm in mid negotiations with Ivy re. a Frey AM1000. Trying to work in some upgrades (SRAM Ex 1 groupset, gear sensor, larger battery, forks, etc.) and color choice. With luck, I'll place the final order this week.

My question is how hard was it to assemble? I have never put together a bicycle before, much less one with a motor. I've always bought used bikes and the shop had them assembled, tuned, tightened up and ready to ride. Should I go through every nut and bolt to double check tightness or does it come pretty checked out? Do I have to do more than put on the bars and front wheel?

THANKS for any info.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Ivanovitch_k » Jul 30 2018 3:42pm

eltee wrote:
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My question is how hard was it to assemble? I have never put together a bicycle before, much less one with a motor.
get the front wheel in. Screw in the bars. That's kinda it.

AM1000 assy here:

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Marmalade » Jul 30 2018 3:52pm

I do like the stealthiness of the black frame..and seems they are using the same wall in all their photos :)

What front light did you spec Troops?

Ivanovitch, how is your battery rebuild going?

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by eltee » Jul 30 2018 5:35pm

Ivanovitch_k wrote:
Jul 30 2018 3:42pm
eltee wrote:
Jul 30 2018 3:30pm
My question is how hard was it to assemble? I have never put together a bicycle before, much less one with a motor.
get the front wheel in. Screw in the bars. That's kinda it.

THANKS, took some of the anxiety out of the transaction.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by eltee » Jul 30 2018 6:09pm

The upgrade to the SRAM Ex 1 groupset was more than I could afford, $458.00 US so I will have to drop that option. :(

Otherwise, finishing up the ordering process tonight.

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Post by Marmalade » Jul 30 2018 9:37pm

+1 it's a crazy price for an upgrade and it would make for a really bad day if the derailleur got damaged from a rock.. replacement is not cheap! But the EX1 is certainly one that everyone drools over owning and using.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Drop Dead Fred » Jul 30 2018 10:07pm

eltee wrote:
Jul 30 2018 6:09pm
The upgrade to the SRAM Ex 1 groupset was more than I could afford, $458.00 US so I will have to drop that option. :(

Otherwise, finishing up the ordering process tonight.
Marmalade wrote:
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+1 it's a crazy price for an upgrade and it would make for a really bad day if the derailleur got damaged from a rock.. replacement is not cheap! But the EX1 is certainly one that everyone drools over owning and using.
Guys I wouldn't sweat the EX1 as I've been reading that SRAM is going away from it to the new GX system as they say the chain and derailleur seem to handle it no problem. Plus with as you say the price premium manufacturers were shying away too.

Also have had my 1 x 11 for 3 months now and not one issue with shifting.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Animalector » Jul 30 2018 11:25pm

Where did you read this? I'm interested to learn more. I think the EX1 is a great concept. Strong, simple. Etc. Double shifting is a problem with 1x11 or 1x12. Who really needs 11 gears on an ebike.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Drop Dead Fred » Jul 31 2018 12:27am

Animalector wrote:
Jul 30 2018 11:25pm
Where did you read this? I'm interested to learn more. I think the EX1 is a great concept. Strong, simple. Etc. Double shifting is a problem with 1x11 or 1x12. Who really needs 11 gears on an ebike.

Andy
Truly is personal preference as I really like my 1 x 11 setup on my AM1000.

To be honest did not mark the page I read it on as I read so many throughout the day... I just said hmm that is interesting. Also when I read what Specialized was doing and also learned the GX shifter is the same as the EX only allowing one shift at a time gave me another hmmm. So I get the same enhanced shifting with $400.00 less in cost. Copied the below statement from ebike-mtb.com review of 2018 Carbon Turbo Levo. While it does say custom GX, will have to see if that prevails in the future.

"Specialized have given the more affordable Levo modes a custom GX shifter, which relies on the 1X technology of the SRAM EX1 drivetrain and only permits you to shift through one gear per flick of the lever. This results in substantial increases to the longevity of the drivetrain (keyword: broken chains)."

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Animalector » Jul 31 2018 1:58am

Yes that is interesting. If they bring out the gx with the single shifting.

Cheers
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Richard N » Jul 31 2018 10:11am

I don't know if this is the right place to ask this but; is it possible to tap into the brake lever motor cutoff to opporate a rear brake light?

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by eltee » Jul 31 2018 10:59am

I took the SRAM EX1 option off as it put me over budget at almost $500.00 more. They are charging $25.00 for the gear sensor which I am keeping. I am not 100% sure how the gear sensor helps (my first e-bike) but I can afford the upcharge. I was hoping it was free due to this posting from Frey back in May. "FREYebikes wrote: ↑May 23, 2018 11:18 am
About gear sensor, we will add it as a basic offer if most of customer need it or it can be choose depend on your demands."


Doing the money transfer today. The cost of shipping, duties, etc. is more than what my Cannondale cost me back in the day. :shock:

Thanks to this site and this thread in particular, I feel confident enough to put down a significant amount of money towards my first eMTB.

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TUBLESS TIRES ??

Post by eltee » Jul 31 2018 11:04am

My AM1000 is coming with "tubeless ready" tires. I have tubeless on my regular MTB and like them but are they recommended for eMTB's? For my eMTB I am leaning more towards reliability than performance, this bike will be more for cruising dirt trails, etc. than technical riding. I just want to increase my odds of riding back vs. walking. Thanks for any input.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Ivanovitch_k » Jul 31 2018 2:00pm

Marmalade wrote:
Jul 30 2018 3:52pm
Ivanovitch, how is your battery rebuild going?
still awaiting delivery of some insulation materials...
Richard N wrote:
Jul 31 2018 10:11am
I don't know if this is the right place to ask this but; is it possible to tap into the brake lever motor cutoff to opporate a rear brake light?
As evidenced by Tom L post and followup observation a few pages back, it might be possible to use one of the light power out cables from the motor itself.
It seems one of them is actually actuated on brake signal. I need to do a setup to confirm this.

Otherwise, if you tap on the brake signal of the cutoff hall itself it's perfectly doable.
On my current BSS build, I used an optocoupler to feed the brake info to a Supernova M99 + E12 light system . The taillight is always on and gets brighter on braking, very neat.
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by 18650 » Jul 31 2018 2:18pm

Richard N wrote:
Jul 31 2018 10:11am
I don't know if this is the right place to ask this but; is it possible to tap into the brake lever motor cutoff to opporate a rear brake light?
According to the AM1000 specs on Alibaba, the bike features the "MAGURA MT5 Ne [brake lever] with brake sensor". On the Magura website I could only find the "MT5e", which was specially designed for e-bikes and S-Pedelecs and has a brake light switch. I asked Frey whether their brake lever was the same or identical, but didn't get a confirmation. I also want a bike with brake light as I would try to homologate it in Germany. However, Frey said that a brake light should be possible, they are still checking.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Ivanovitch_k » Jul 31 2018 4:55pm

18650 wrote:
Jul 31 2018 2:18pm
According to the AM1000 specs on Alibaba, the bike features the "MAGURA MT5 Ne [brake lever] with brake sensor". On the Magura website I could only find the "MT5e", which was specially designed for e-bikes and S-Pedelecs and has a brake light switch.
the MT5 "-E" is basically just a switch terminated with a male Higo 2pins (red) connector and nothing else. This is what the supernova M99 (and many other "ebike" lights) use to detect braking.

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