EXESS HP-E180 Bafang Ultra Max Enduro bike

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EXESS HP-E180 Bafang Ultra Max Enduro bike

Post by TorEddy » Jun 29 2018 12:38pm

Hi

Just found this high-end Bafang Ultra Max enduro bike, which by the pictures and specs, I just love!!
https://www.exess-bikes.de/index_en.htm

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It's a lot of money, but i woulden't say it's expensive, as it looks top notch!
Did anybody here have a chance to try this beast yet?
The bike itself looks great, but I struggle to find if the Ultra Max is any good.. Did they come up with the perfect setting that makes it behave nicely?
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Re: EXESS HP-E180 Bafang Ultra Max Enduro bike

Post by TorEddy » Aug 17 2018 1:21pm

Ok, so I just sold my current e-bike (viewtopic.php?f=28&t=73264&p=1106366#p1106366) to be able to buy this Exess-bikes HP-E180. It wasn't easy selling my loved e-bike who I have put so much time and effort into, but I realized that the BBSHD will always be a diy-ebike solution, and never have the reliability of a purpose built ebike.
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Even though these are very similar bikes, both enduro bikes with 180mm travel, 1600w power, weight, 27.5+, etc. I was always nervous for somthing to break, and i could never get used to the high pedal cadence needed for the BBSHD.

The Exess is out of stock for now, but batch 3 will be available in sept/okt. That means I have som time to clearify what i want.
What color, black og black/orange?
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Eggrider display or original?
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I want throttle on my right thumb, that means gearing on my left thumb. Kindernay IGH gear as before, or the new Shimano XT DI2 with electronic gearing. That gives me the possability to use the left gear shifter on the rear derailleur. XT DI2 will be 1/3 of the Kindernay igh price.
Should I upgrade the Yari to Lyrik fork??
Dropper seatpost?
Etc..
Some serious first word problems here..
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Re: EXESS HP-E180 Bafang Ultra Max Enduro bike

Post by Ivanovitch_k » Aug 17 2018 2:34pm

reliability-wise, keep in mind that BBSHD parts are readily available everywhere. Those for the G510 are not.
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BBS02B 750W - DPC750C - 48V 17.5Ah GA shark - 11 spd 11-40 Shimano XT, 42T N-W Precialps CW, KMC X11e chain, Gearsensor, XT RD, XTR Shifter, F Saint Brake, R XT Brake, RT99 200/160 Discs, magnetic shutoff, DT Swiss X1900 QR9 wheels, Manitou M30 air fork, 2.4" slick balloon schwalbe Super Moto X tires @2 bars, Suntour NCX suspension seatpost, ergon SFC3 saddle, ergon GP3 grips, Supernova M99 Pro + E12 Taillight

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Re: EXESS HP-E180 Bafang Ultra Max Enduro bike

Post by TorEddy » Aug 19 2018 1:31am

Won't Bafang resellers be able to source spare parts for the G510 in the same way as for BBSHD?
I havent needed any internal parts for the BBSHD the last two years, so I hope the G510 will be atleast as sturdy, and hope availability will be better in the future..

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Re: EXESS HP-E180 Bafang Ultra Max Enduro bike

Post by TorEddy » Aug 19 2018 1:36am

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Does anybody know how the interoperability is between the different bafang head units?
I see the pictured head unit is CAN bus while the bbshd and g510 is UART.. guess they will not work together..

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Re: EXESS HP-E180 Bafang Ultra Max Enduro bike

Post by Ivanovitch_k » Aug 19 2018 7:34am

TorEddy wrote:
Aug 19 2018 1:31am
Won't Bafang resellers be able to source spare parts for the G510 in the same way as for BBSHD?
right now I asked around a lot of BBS-series spare sellers and they all got a "we don't supply parts for this motor" from Bafang.

I also hope they will revise their stance in the future, however, the previous iteration of their integrated mid drive aka the Max Drive (MM.G330) is out since late 2016 and still no parts on the horizon

jpc6000 here at endless said he might be able to get spares but heard nothing from him since.


TorEddy wrote:
Aug 19 2018 1:36am
I see the pictured head unit is CAN bus while the bbshd and g510 is UART.. guess they will not work together..
they won't work together. The G510 is indeed using the "EB-Bus" UART communication, not CAN. You can have a look here for all their UART displays... not sure all of them can be bought aftermarket tho..
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BBS02B 750W - DPC750C - 48V 17.5Ah GA shark - 11 spd 11-40 Shimano XT, 42T N-W Precialps CW, KMC X11e chain, Gearsensor, XT RD, XTR Shifter, F Saint Brake, R XT Brake, RT99 200/160 Discs, magnetic shutoff, DT Swiss X1900 QR9 wheels, Manitou M30 air fork, 2.4" slick balloon schwalbe Super Moto X tires @2 bars, Suntour NCX suspension seatpost, ergon SFC3 saddle, ergon GP3 grips, Supernova M99 Pro + E12 Taillight

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Re: EXESS HP-E180 Bafang Ultra Max Enduro bike

Post by TorEddy » Aug 19 2018 1:35pm

Thanks for the info Ivanovitch_k, nice to know that spare parts can be a problem.. Hopfully Exess-bikes can be helpul with spares..

Too bad you can't mix and match between all the Bafang head units. I'm trying to have a clean looking handlebar, but thats not gonna be easy..
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Left hand XT DI2 Shifter
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Bafang motor control and display

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XT DI2 gear indicator

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Dropper post control

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Right hand motor throttle


The Egg Rider wil probably replace the Bafang display and control module, but it would be nice to integrate the shimano display as well as i dont really need that, but it's needed in the di2 system..

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Re: EXESS HP-E180 Bafang Ultra Max Enduro bike

Post by endrew » Aug 19 2018 3:21pm

I cant find a price. How much do they ask for it?

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Re: EXESS HP-E180 Bafang Ultra Max Enduro bike

Post by TorEddy » Aug 19 2018 4:32pm

endrew wrote:
Aug 19 2018 3:21pm
I cant find a price. How much do they ask for it?
6000-7000 usd ish..

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Re: EXESS HP-E180 Bafang Ultra Max Enduro bike

Post by Ivanovitch_k » Aug 19 2018 6:39pm

TorEddy wrote:
Aug 19 2018 1:35pm
Thanks for the info Ivanovitch_k, nice to know that spare parts can be a problem.. Hopfully Exess-bikes can be helpul with spares..
I would ask them beforehand. My motor supplier -Frey- cannot get parts from bafang :(

It would be interesting to know Exess stance on that matter.
BBS'ed Radon ZR Team 8:
BBS02B 750W - DPC750C - 48V 17.5Ah GA shark - 11 spd 11-40 Shimano XT, 42T N-W Precialps CW, KMC X11e chain, Gearsensor, XT RD, XTR Shifter, F Saint Brake, R XT Brake, RT99 200/160 Discs, magnetic shutoff, DT Swiss X1900 QR9 wheels, Manitou M30 air fork, 2.4" slick balloon schwalbe Super Moto X tires @2 bars, Suntour NCX suspension seatpost, ergon SFC3 saddle, ergon GP3 grips, Supernova M99 Pro + E12 Taillight

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Re: EXESS HP-E180 Bafang Ultra Max Enduro bike

Post by TorEddy » Oct 23 2018 1:50pm

Interesting answer from Exess-bikes:

We are designing currently the new model EXESS HP-E200 which will be released in Summer 2019. This bike will be offered then in 3 versions: 250W pedelec, S-Pedelec (45km/h) and the Race Version (no limits). This bike will be made then for the common bike market and this will be very interesting then for the bike magazines also.

We have ALL spare parts in stock. Those are not much parts and they are quite cheap either. The only problem is the controller because Bafang has made several versions which are not compatible. But we are currently developing our own controller which will be much more reliable, more efficient (higher range), better software, better protection. It will be available end of 2018. It fit in the place where the Bafang controller is mounted, so it just replaces the Bafang Controller. It comes with all bikes from January 2019 and it will be available as an aftersales part as well. So the customers having already an EXESS bike can use this controller also.

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Re: EXESS HP-E180 Bafang Ultra Max Enduro bike

Post by TorEddy » Nov 05 2018 12:34pm

yes we will be able to run more than 30A. I don’t know yet how much current we will enable, this needs to be determined.

The new model will be released in Summer 2019.

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