Have you tried clicking on his username and looking at his post history?liveforphysics wrote:Who is Trevor?
What does this guy post under (so we can review his post history and see what sort of guy he is), or does he not even participate and just looking for a forum to milk dry?
Thousands, no? Anyone can buy/sell anything at the forum (online market area), so it's hardly "non-commercial". Most donations that come in, come at the tune to $1 to $10. There have been larger donations, but I don't think it would be in good taste to post up how much members are donating. I'll leave that up to them.Didn't Justin donate thousands of dollars to keep this site hosted and private and non-commercial? What happened with that?
Well, there is not much to comment about your opinion, I mean it is your opinion after-all I'm not going to argue with it. I will be glad to give my opinion though. Actions speak louder than words. If I can see improvement here, be it faster servers, and new features for members (at no cost), then to think the forum is getting worse seems silly, even a little "sky is falling" kind of thinking. Just my thoughts.Forgive me skepticism here, but after watching similar things happen where profit motivated folks buy outstanding forums because they see a potential for milking cash. Fast forward time 6months, all core members are gone, no more cool projects or things that made the site exceptional. The site just becomes a place where newbs come to see banner ads and read posts from vendors fighting over why you should buy your parts from them over the other guy. 6 months after that, the good name and reputation is gone that was making the newbs come, and then the forum becomes a dead shell.
This has been universal in reefkeeping forums, engine forums, and car forums that I've been involved with over the last 10 years. Somebody new buys it, commercializes it, and it's dead inside a year.
OR, even crazier, somebody buys a thriving forum, then tries to charge members an admission/membership fee, thinking ohh, these guys will never find a new place... That technique has been a roughly 100% effective death blow to every forum.
Tell us, who is Trevor, what are his motivations? Should I be buying space in a datacenter today and start building the framework to make the swap for the core members to have an uncommercialized place that will never be corrupted by commercial influences?
Well, it might not be well known, but the forum was owned by a corporate entity before (years). That's why the main site had business that had nothing to do with the forum. Go check the main site now, http://endless-sphere.com/ and let me know how much of a corporate take-over the site appears to have now?PS: Thank you for running the forum so long KnightMB, and thank you for keeping it pure and uncommerical. This is the whole reason it is such a great place and great community. REALLY hoping this can stay true, but from past history of forums selling, it's always spelled death.
This seems to be a common mis-conception here. The forum was corporate owed from the beginning. The main site had business on it totally irrelevant to this forum. Go check the main site now, http://endless-sphere.com/ and let me know how much of the corporate influence you see on this site now?mdd0127 wrote:That's funny. The one site that's left on the internet that hasn't sold out....and just as I'm getting totally worn out on all of the other unnecessary stuff having to do with the e-bike world.....my favorite site is going corporate.
I for one have also offered to donate instead of seeing this forum go corporate.
I'm sorry, but this is about the silliest thing I've read so far. The site is on a server than is 3 times faster now. Members can select from many different themes with "slow-Internet" connections taken into account with slimed down theme renderings. There are already things in the work to improve the slow experience for mobile users of the forum. So despite all this, you want to delete all your posts (which is a lot of time and effort on your part) and leave? Why feel need to be self-destructive?The worst thing about all of these new ideas is that it's definitely going to slow the site waaaay down for people with crappy internet connections. Well, actually, the worst thing will probably all of the new members that are attracted by the flash and spam.
This forum was totally fine as it is.
My email address is m d d 0 1 2 7 i v at yahoo so if anyone is going to start a new, corporate free forum, shoot me an email and I'll join.
Now I have to go delete all of my posts here because anything influenced by money gets corrupted and instantly turns to shit.
Thanks for holding out and keeping it alive and REAL for as long as possible. Stumbling upon this site has put me $80K in debt so it's probably good that I move on anyway
Icewrench wrote:What a day.
One of my stocks opens this morning 23 bucks lower than the close yesterday.
Other holdings are also in a spiral.
And now this news. Another trifecta.
If change must happen try to copy the pattern of this site
But why F up a really good thing
Where was it stated the site is going for profit?mdd0127 wrote: This is partly why I'm bummed about the sphere going for profit.
Looks like the forum is the same to me, how has it already failed?This is a monstrous fail.
You are passing judgments on events that have not even happened. How has the site cause changed? How does Trevor not love electric bikes? You somehow know that he is worried about making profits? I can tell you that keeping the site self sufficient should be a priority, that is just a smart move to keep our site alive and kicking without down time and slow servers.Luke, if you get a new forum up and running, I will happily donate or pay a membership fee to help maintain it......as long as it stays simple, efficient, and true to it's cause.
The only reason I want to delete posts is that I posted those posts in confidence that this site was ran by people that loved electric bikes and wanted to advance the whole game....and....weren't worried about profiting from it. I simply don't know what the motivations of the new management are, and the first few clues about that don't look good.
Is the "Value" you reference $$$, or is value the content on the forum? If it is the content, can you describe what changes you plan that would to enhance that content? I see you just added iPhone/Android apps, but I personally can't stand apps for websites that I can see just fine in a browser, so that isn't really a help.We all spent a lot of time discussing the value that I saw in the ES community and how that value could become so much greater with somebody that was willing to dedicate time to it on a full time basis.
Battery stats comparison spreadsheet.That we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously.