... and neither do custom DIY World Leaders of the ES Power Pack Pals ...docw009 said:Well, some industry representatives are worried, but most of the people selling bikes that exceed class 2 speed limits or class "3" bikes with throttles, they don't attend those industry conferences.
What classification does a custom e-bike fall into with a custom DIY EV pouch cell battery capable of feeding the latest powerful QS motor 100 amps of THRUST -- (Off-the-Radar :wink ?(name withheld) wrote: ↑May 19 2022
Anything reasonable ebike size ( read, legal, as an ebike) really could use smaller cells, with a better energy density, that would take you farther. I drain my 15Ah ( old, recently replaced, much older cell, 165wh/kG cell.. ) pack in 13 miles in 15 min. I would do this two or three times a day with only 1.2kWh capacity on my QS motor. ~100A load.
On February 4, 2021, Transport Canada repealed the previous definition of a power-assisted bicycle. Instead, Transport Canada will assess the design and speed of the e-bike in order to determine if it is regulated under the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations.
Transport Canada will regulate your e-bike if it:
Can travel faster at speeds of 32 km/h / 20 miles/h or greater (power assisted)
Is equipped with features that resemble on-road motorcycles or vehicles
For E-bikes equipped with speed limiters, Transport Canada will first assess the e-bike based upon the untethered speed capacity to determine if the e-bike is regulated.
https://www.pcb.ca/post/everything-you-need-to-know-to-import-your-e-bike-into-canada
E-Bikes are also regulated at the Provincial and Territory level, so it is good practice to check with your local government for regulations prior to importing or purchasing an e-bike.
Try this URL .... it is s direct link to the storydonn said:I can't see the article, ....
Vehicles that exceed that [20 mph, 750W] can be subject to NHTSA regulations. NHTSA regulations do not apply to offroad vehicles, but just declaring a vehicle as an off-roader is not sufficient. Vehicles that can and are used on public roads, even if they are marketed as offroad vehicles, can become subject to NHTSA regulations.
Speed governors on e-bikes can keep a bike within the 20mph cut-off. But if the governors are easily defeated by consumers, NHTSA could exert its authority. Manufacturers who become aware that their bikes can be modified to exceed the limit could be held liable, she said.
2old said:This seems to apply to manufacturers and most are in China, so impervious.
It applies to American Distributors as well.2old said:This seems to apply to manufacturers and most are in China, so impervious. If you want to see some crazy vehicles look at electric unicycles which are starting to proliferate on trails in socal. They can weigh up to 100 pounds, with 134 V motors and travel in excess of 50 mph. One major manufacturer is in Canada, with the rest in Asia AFAICT.
Apparently you didn't understand the statement, but it would be an interesting experiment for you to try and sue a Chinese owned manufacturing business.simonov said:2old said:This seems to apply to manufacturers and most are in China, so impervious.
If you think the foreign origin of an e-bike exempts it from local laws, you ought to try legally importing and registering a car into California from China . . . or Nebraska.
If NHTSA can sue distributors, Luna better watch out since AFAIK there's been at least one Sur Ron death in socal.LewTwo said:It applies to American Distributors as well.2old said:This seems to apply to manufacturers and most are in China, so impervious. If you want to see some crazy vehicles look at electric unicycles which are starting to proliferate on trails in socal. They can weigh up to 100 pounds, with 134 V motors and travel in excess of 50 mph. One major manufacturer is in Canada, with the rest in Asia AFAICT.
They don't bother with the manufacturers, they go after the importers, distributors, retailer . . . and owners.2old said:Apparently you didn't understand the statement, but it would be an interesting experiment for you to try and sue a Chinese owned manufacturing business.simonov said:2old said:This seems to apply to manufacturers and most are in China, so impervious.
If you think the foreign origin of an e-bike exempts it from local laws, you ought to try legally importing and registering a car into California from China . . . or Nebraska.
It's laughable trying to sue owners when individuals are riding around (road, off road and bike paths) with impunity on e-bikes and EUC's that have massive amounts of power. Some day a policing structure may evolve, but not until there's a big budget for it. The meeting agenda was primarily associated with manufacturers, and if there's a glitch in importing, individuals will purchase directly from China as many do now.simonov said:They don't bother with the manufacturers, they go after the importers, distributors, retailer . . . and owners.2old said:Apparently you didn't understand the statement, but it would be an interesting experiment for you to try and sue a Chinese owned manufacturing business.simonov said:2old said:This seems to apply to manufacturers and most are in China, so impervious.
If you think the foreign origin of an e-bike exempts it from local laws, you ought to try legally importing and registering a car into California from China . . . or Nebraska.
The article appeared on bicycleretailer.com, so naturally it was targeted at industry players. But all the industry players are not in China (if they were, bicycleretailer.com wouldn't be in English), and neither of course are all the end users.
Riders won't be sued, they will be cited.2old said:It's laughable trying to sue owners when individuals are riding around (road, off road and bike paths) with impunity on e-bikes and EUC's that have massive amounts of power.
Stealth_Chopper said:Weekend crime fighting
"Prospect Park and other municipal greenspaces now have signs at various entrances reading “no motorized or electric bikes, scooters, and ATVs.”
Despite seemingly conflicting with state law and city policy, the Parks Department often deputizes both its own police force and NYPD officers to write tickets for e-cyclists riding in parks or even on greenways. That’s because the legalization language in the 2021 state budget created a massive carveout for any municipalities to further regulate e-bikes however they see fit. While DOT has its own guidelines governing e-bikes on city streets, the far stricter Parks Department guidance remains in effect in that agency’s domain.
The enforcement also conflicts with the fact that city parks, including Prospect Park, house Citi Bike docks where riders can stow and unlock one of the bikeshare program’s thousands of pedal-assist two-wheelers.
“[The officers] seemed to think the rule was bulls—t too, honestly,” O’Reilly said. “They did that kind of wink wink thing, if you continue on we have to fine you $150.”