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Re: What helmet choices are their for a +50mph ebike use

Post by alsmith » Apr 06 2014 3:49pm

I got a ski type helmet, I've never understood the cycle helmet approach where it seems the only possible accident is to the top of your head.

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Re: What helmet choices are their for a +50mph ebike use

Post by John in CR » Apr 06 2014 4:43pm

alsmith wrote:I got a ski type helmet, I've never understood the cycle helmet approach where it seems the only possible accident is to the top of your head.
It looks like most ski helmets come up short as well once you understand that the majority of serious bicycle head injuries are injuries to the face.

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Re: What helmet choices are their for a +50mph ebike use

Post by friendly1uk » Apr 06 2014 5:01pm

Has anyone ever been glad they wore a typical cycle helmet?

I fell out a car as a kid, doing my forehead. Then a wall fell on me, doing my forehead and putting a couple of stitch's in the crown area. That is my only head wound a cycle helmet may of protected me from, and I'm not wearing one all day in-case another wall falls on me.

I have eaten steering wheel and handlebars countless times. Broke most limbs a couple of times.


Cycle helmets seem so useless to me, and there is no supporting documentation to say otherwise.



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Re: What helmet choices are their for a +50mph ebike use

Post by Aushiker » Apr 06 2014 5:41pm

friendly1uk wrote:Cycle helmets seem so useless to me, and there is no supporting documentation to say otherwise.
You mean research like this paper recently published? .... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 751400061X or Bambach, M. R., Mitchell, R. J., Grzebieta, R. H., & Olivier, J. (2013). The effectiveness of helmets in bicycle collisions with motor vehicles: A case-control study. Accident Analysis & Prevention, 53, 78-88 for example?

I am very keen to see the links to research that supports your view as I haven't come across anything as yet.

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Re: What helmet choices are their for a +50mph ebike use

Post by alsmith » Apr 06 2014 11:45pm

John in CR wrote:
alsmith wrote:I got a ski type helmet, I've never understood the cycle helmet approach where it seems the only possible accident is to the top of your head.
It looks like most ski helmets come up short as well once you understand that the majority of serious bicycle head injuries are injuries to the face.
Part of the plan to see if I'd wear it- I got a 'proper' cycle one but just didn't like or wear it, I used a woolly hat. I've looked at the bmx type full face and intend to get one eventually but this was my 'trial', and I do wear it always (even to the corner shop) without feeling a dick for over 6 months now. I think it will be one with the chin piece that flips up but they aren't cheap.

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Re: What helmet choices are their for a +50mph ebike use

Post by Stevo UK » Apr 07 2014 5:48pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcqLqrfg16E

Seems good anyone have any experience with one of these?

http://www.hovding.com/

Not sure what good it would be at protecting your teeth though!
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Re: What helmet choices are their for a +50mph ebike use

Post by sardini » Apr 08 2014 2:31am

Stevo UK wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcqLqrfg16E

Seems good anyone have any experience with one of these?

http://www.hovding.com/

Not sure what good it would be at protecting your teeth though!
It was far more expensive! like 700 euro, now is 300euro but is it suitable for 60 to 80 km/h ?

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Re: What helmet choices are their for a +50mph ebike use

Post by heavymetalthunder » Apr 08 2014 3:56am

If you riding a bike that is capable of 50 MPH, a DOT motorcycle helmet is a must. I'm riding at about 26 to 30 MPH and I would nothing less than a motorcycle helmet.

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Re: What helmet choices are their for a +50mph ebike use

Post by radiorental » Apr 08 2014 10:09pm

on the way up to 60 this cyclist developed a problem at 40mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjVz1RQaKqE

Point being, speed is not your friend when mechanical components are placed in situations they're not designed for (i.e. ebikes over 35/40 mph).

I'm guessing that was a flat.

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Helmets

Post by agraham » Mar 21 2015 11:19pm

I got a new helmet and I thought I might go into it here since it's sort of on topic for scooters and skateboards since we all wear them right?
I wasn't wearing mine partly because it's one of the streamlined cycling ones - and it just seems to look a bit weird on a skateboarder. I also have several full face helmets for motorcycling and downhill biking but they feel like overkill for skating. That said the downhill helmet probably would be safer than any open faced helmet.
I looked at skateboard helmets and there were some nice ones but the real quality ones were a couple hundred dollars. That got me thinking. If I'm going to spend that kind of money could I get one that is DOT certified so usable on my motorcycle but not so big that it makes me look like a mushroom head?
The answer is maybe.
The little beanies that some harley riders wear that have no padding are illegal to wear on a motorcycle whether they have DOT painted on them or not. They are often sold as "novelties" and sometimes a "novelty" DOT sticker is in the same box.
Also what we think of as "DOT certified" would be more correctly called "DOT asserted". When the manufacturer permanently writes DOT on the back of the helmet they are asserting that they've tested it and that if it was randomly selected by the U.S. D.O.T. for testing it would pass their certification tests. There are serious penalties for putting out a helmet that you should have known would not pass and some manufacturers have had to go through expensive recalls in the past.
Right now the thinnest lightest helmet that has a reasonable claim to be DOT-safe is sold by a Canadian company called Akoury http://www.akouryhelmets.com/. It has three-quarter inch foam throughout.
Some say this company is playing loose and depending on being in Canada to keep them beyond the reach of the DOT. That may be so but I believe this helmet is safe enough for skateboarding. I will also be using it for when I'm toodling around downtown on my motorcycle - but when I'm going for a spirited ride I will be using my full-face helmet.
Here it is with a bike helmet and a full-face for scale:
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This is the AK-1 which has a ridge on the back which gives it kind of a cool robocop look. I put the sticker that came with my boosted board on it. I don't have the "peak" attached (a small visor which snaps on to the three metal snaps at the front) since that gives it a "harley rider" look that I don't care for (I have a sportbike not a cruiser) and I don't mind the look of the exposed snaps.
And here's what it looks like on my head.
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You can buy them direct from Akoury, but I bought mine from http://www.royaldistributing.com/ because I've had good experiences with them.

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Re: Helmets

Post by sami » Mar 22 2015 1:00am

nice info and good write up mate, i was just thinking about what helmet would be suitable and you got me thinking. thanks again!

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Re: Helmets

Post by MrDude_1 » Mar 22 2015 1:03am

If I need a helmet... I need one that covers my face. :lol:
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Re: Helmets

Post by okp » Mar 22 2015 3:14am

I have a triple8 helmet, pretty nice one. I cannot wear a full face here in Paris because it's forbidden (police or people need to be able to see your face) ... or unless you go on the road ... which is also forbidden for a skateboard :) and regarding the recent events... you don't want to be catching people's attention.

but if I could I would go for this one - every piece is removable.

http://fr.ruroc.com/rg1-x-gamme/83-rg1-x-signature.html

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Re: Helmets

Post by MrDude_1 » Mar 22 2015 8:52am

okp wrote:I have a triple8 helmet, pretty nice one. I cannot wear a full face here in Paris because it's forbidden (police or people need to be able to see your face) ... or unless you go on the road ... which is also forbidden for a skateboard :) and regarding the recent events... you don't want to be catching people's attention.

but if I could I would go for this one - every piece is removable.

http://fr.ruroc.com/rg1-x-gamme/83-rg1-x-signature.html

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LOL, if I wanted to pick a helmet to terrify the average person... It would be hard to beat that one! :lol:

Can you wear a "open" face helmet with a chin bar? Like a BMX or MX style helmet? You can clearly see the persons face, as long as they're wearing sunglasses and not goggles.
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Re: Helmets

Post by torqueboards » Mar 22 2015 11:08am

That's a pretty nice helmet. Looks like a star wars helmet, lol.
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Re: Helmets

Post by beto_pty » Mar 22 2015 11:43am

upgraded to a closed helmet after a particularly hard fall...
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never going back to open face again if i can help it,

Saw a gorgeous girl with road rash on her cheek, both elbows, hand and a knee just this morning on the sunday bike path... rollerblading in just short shorts, ipod shades and a tank top... people just dont realize what decelarating from just 15-0 kph on asphalt will do to human skin and bone.... hope her face heals well. :(

wear your helmet guys, full leather armor is better and inexpensive......although ill admit not exactly descrete... :shock:
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Re: Helmets

Post by Vanarian » Mar 22 2015 12:41pm

Guys thank you for this thread !

Okp you live in Paris? What kind of helmet do you wear? (Je vis à Nice! C'est le genre de renseignement qui me serait très utile :wink: )
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Re: Helmets

Post by okp » Mar 22 2015 4:11pm

yes vanarian,

I wear a basic triple8 helmet, you can see my riding on my blog at http://fun.gamani.org

I would like to get to full face... but does not sounds good to ride in the center of paris...! If I put a full face helmet, everyone will look at me in the streets... you want to stay stealth in Paris :)

You can wear the ruroc stealthy or not :

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this one just for fun !

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Bicycle helmets (UK)

Post by Chris Sutton » Oct 04 2015 7:18pm

Comparing motorcycle helmets (even 'open face' helmets) with bicycle helmets, does it seem that bicycle helmets offer inadequate protection ??

In an urban environment the collision speeds would not necessarily be dissimilar - so why the big difference between helmets ? To me current bicycle helmets (in the UK anyway) seem inadequate. Too thin and not enough foam.

If I wore a open face motorcycle helmet to ride a bicycle or an E-bike I wouldn't be surprised if I could be charged with ' not wearing a British Standards approved (or EU standards approved ?) bicycle helmet ' - even though the motorcycle helmet offers better protection. Does anyone (police officer) know if this is the case ? If it is, then that's ridiculous.

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Re: Bicycle helmets (UK)

Post by Chalo » Oct 04 2015 8:30pm

Bicycle helmets offer some degree of protection, but not nearly as much as a motorcycle helmet.

To judge from the effect that widespread use of bicycle helmets has had on cyclist injury and mortality rates, you might as well use a lucky rabbit's foot. There has been no significant change in those things while helmet use in the USA has risen from approximately zero to approximately 50%.
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Re: Bicycle helmets (UK)

Post by fesanand » Oct 05 2015 2:49am

I bought an Skate helmet in Ebay Uk. Robust, well made, and a thick protection closer to a motorbike helmet. FOR ONLY 10GBP :P
There's plenty of bike riders with skate helmet, you won't call attention as riding a bicycle with motorbike helmet.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BICYCLE-CYCLE ... 417d6b5cac
Mine was the same but with another design (different vent holes distribution)

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Re: Bicycle helmets (UK)

Post by Punx0r » Oct 05 2015 2:53am

There is no legal requirement to wear any kind of helmet while cycling in the UK.

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Re: Bicycle helmets (UK)

Post by d8veh » Oct 05 2015 3:51am

I don't agree that in an urban environment the impact speeds are the same, also, why are you focusing on that situation, when the legislators have to cover all circumstances?

The polystyrene foam in cyle helmets is about the same thickness as motorcycle ones. What's missing is the outer shell, which adds weight that cyclists probably wouldn't want and the secure fixing.

I think a lot of people underrate the protection of a cycle helmet. Though lacking in some areas, it has saved many lives and serious injuries.

I myself went straight over the handlebars in a classic highside on an ebike and landed on my head. I was virtually knocked unconscious. It took about 30 seconds until my head cleared enough to be able to move. The helmet had a big flat-spot from the impact, but, once my head cleared, I was OK apart from cuts and bruises.

Did you see Geraint Thomas hit a telegraph pole head first at high speed in the Vuelta. I thought he was going to be dead, but he got back on his bike and finished the race 40 seconds behind the leaders.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/video/ ... ance-video

You can get better protection, but still have the light wight by using a snowboard/BMX/skateboard helmet.

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Re: Bicycle helmets (UK)

Post by MadRhino » Oct 05 2015 7:46am

You can buy a Hummer and millitary gear if you don't feel safe on your bike wearing a helmet. Yet I don't believe this can assure you any better or longer life. :wink:
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Re: Bicycle helmets (UK)

Post by Joseph C. » Oct 05 2015 9:10am

Personally, I'd never bother with a helmet. I don't see any upside and too many downsides. One of the leading neurosurgeons in Ireland found in his report that there was no statistically significant difference between people wearing and not wearing helmets when it came to receiving traumatic brain injuries.

Bicycle helmets will give you some protection from cuts and bruises if you happen to fall in the correct position but a lot of falls involve the front of your face. Bicycle helmets are only designed for low-speed impacts of 15kph or under so at greater speeds they are mostly useless.

If you're still concerned get a full face downhill helmet. But do note that this will attract a lot of attention.

With the exception of Spain - with their bizarre regulations and Finland where there are no fines no other European countries have mandatory bicycle laws for adults. Sweden, Czech Republic, Austria and Slovenia have mandatory laws for children.
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