Speedict Ebike - Anybody seen/tried this?

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Re: Speedict Ebike - Anybody seen/tried this?

Post by knutselmaaster » May 25 2015 10:16am

I forgot to mention :
-In Road legal 2 mode, now and then suddenly it accelerates full power 15A without any reason.
-When using the "instant legal" shortcut on the phone, all settings of the Speedict get erased and my bike won't work before I set everything up again (wheel in the air for throttle min/max again etc, my back hurts...)
-The map function doesn't zoom out, so you have no idea of where you are
-Pas readings are not stable, it reads 0 every now and then, stopping the motor (I tried different sensors and positions as I thought it was my fault)
-The (voltage) alarm function cannot be used as my phone starts alarming for no reason and it won't stop until I deactivate the function.

I'm sure I've forgotten some still...

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Post by cycborg » May 26 2015 4:14pm

OK, I said a few posts back that I probably wouldn't be using the throttle functions on my Mercury, but now I'd like to try it. Problem is, the leads that come with the kit aren't long enough. Does anyone know what the connectors are? Any chance they're the same as the "Futaba servo" extension cords from Hobby King?

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Post by knutselmaaster » May 27 2015 2:30am

Yes those look exactly the same as the ones that came with the Speedict.

And I remember another problem :
The pas does not recognize back pedaling, so when you go backwards, and the wheel pulls the pedals back, the bike suddenly starts accelerating if you forget to set pas lvl to 0 or turn it off.
It was quite exiting, the wheely between the tables of the local café when I wanted to back out....

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Post by elpq35 » Jun 05 2015 11:54am

knutselmaaster, I second all your statements. When I first received the mercury, it was very promising but the thing is just some unreliable. I removed all throttle functions and strictly use it to monitor AH usage during my rides. Save your money and by a CA.

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Post by rosich » Aug 20 2015 6:36am

Speedict updated their facebook for Neptune Lite shipment on Mid-Sept. with 30% discount off, $86 include shipment and support from 10s up to 15s
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Post by megacycle » Aug 20 2015 6:31pm

rosich wrote: include shipment and support from 10s up to 15s
I thought the upper limit was 13S?
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Post by rosich » Aug 21 2015 6:42am

megacycle wrote:
rosich wrote: include shipment and support from 10s up to 15s
I thought the upper limit was 13S?

yes, now not fixed to 13 cells, just downloaded the user guide the multi-cell support via different wiring scheme.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5VoC0 ... VITFk/view
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Post by rosich » Aug 21 2015 7:51am

megacycle wrote:
rosich wrote: include shipment and support from 10s up to 15s
I thought the upper limit was 13S?
the last diagram was misleading, this is the another one i capture from user guide, it support multi-cell via wiring scheme.
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Post by kenwood96 » Aug 21 2015 5:15pm

I tried to use the Mercury, like said earlier, don't bother... Use it for monitoring... I'm installing an adaptto now, comes with pas integrated!

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Post by kenwood96 » Aug 21 2015 5:15pm

The Mercury is seriously unreliable,!

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Post by rosich » Aug 21 2015 9:02pm

kenwood96 wrote:The Mercury is seriously unreliable,!

My mercury is ok, i spent a lot of time to fine tune it.

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Post by megacycle » Aug 21 2015 11:30pm

rosich wrote: the last diagram was misleading, this is the another one i capture from user guide, it support multi-cell via wiring scheme.
Thanks rosich, this is perfect for a 15S bike, I have with a speedict already fitted :D.
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Post by Racer_X » Aug 23 2015 1:11am

the Neptune lite sounds interesting and i would like to experiment with it.

Anybody know where i can buy the JST PH 2.0mm female 15 pin connector plug w/wire?

That is what i would need to connect my 15s lipos to the board right?

best i could find was a 12 pin
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http://www.aliexpress.com/item/JST-PH-2 ... 39798.html
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Post by megacycle » Aug 23 2015 2:39am

Racer_X wrote: Anybody know where i can buy the JST PH 2.0mm female 15 pin connector plug w/wire?
You'd need 16 pins, might have to use a DSUB or 2x 8S JST.
Gokart A123 80V
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Speedict Mecury

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Re: Speedict Ebike - Anybody seen/tried this?

Post by rosich » Aug 23 2015 3:47am

Racer_X wrote:the Neptune lite sounds interesting and i would like to experiment with it.

Anybody know where i can buy the JST PH 2.0mm female 15 pin connector plug w/wire?

That is what i would need to connect my 15s lipos to the board right?

best i could find was a 12 pin
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http://www.aliexpress.com/item/JST-PH-2 ... 39798.html


do you mean want a female connector for Neptune ? i pre-ordered one and contacted with Danny, as per his information it will come with 1 x temperature sensor + 1 x ph2.0 16 pin female connector with 150mm long wire ... i suggest 150mm is too short !

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Post by Racer_X » Aug 23 2015 6:13am

megacycle wrote:You'd need 16 pins, might have to use a DSUB or 2x 8S JST.
rosich wrote:do you mean want a female connector for Neptune ? i pre-ordered one and contacted with Danny, as per his information it will come with 1 x temperature sensor + 1 x ph2.0 16 pin female connector with 150mm long wire ... i suggest 150mm is too short !
Great input guys, thanks. Looks like it will be easier than i thought! :twisted:
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Post by megacycle » Aug 23 2015 6:40am

8)
Gokart A123 80V
300A Kelly Controller
PM72301 motor

15S lipo
mongoose frame
mini monster controller
500W funboy
Speedict Mecury

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Post by cwah » Aug 23 2015 10:49pm

Hello,

I've asked few questions to Danny and here are the answers:
Q: Could it be plugged constantly on the battery without problem?
A: no problem, it has 2 power save mode and you can even completely shutdown.

1. power off : you can extend its power button for complete system shutdown
2. sleep : you can put system into sleep mode with ~2mA power consumption and can be wake up via bluetooth

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Q: If so, does it use the power from all cells and not only 2 cells? Because I tried to plug constantly the cell-log and it is using power from the first 2 cells and end up making the battery pack disbalanced
A: see the user guide page 12. you can manually stop and start recording to prevent unwanted data such as idle time, so you can ...

1. go to memory option, press the START button and do your battery stress test, after that press the button to stop and generate new single record.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5VoC0 ... VITFk/view

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Q: And lastly, I suppose it would constantly record the last 130 hours of battery usage? Similar to the CCTV cameras? Or does it only record when charge/discharge is significant?
A: unlike cell-log use passive component for cell measurement, Neptune Lite use dedicate battery management IC which is powered by pack voltage !

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Post by cwah » Aug 23 2015 11:01pm

One very convenient thing to have would be automatic "recording on" and "recording off" based on pack activity.

For example:
- If the battery has significant +0.5v or -0.5v difference then recording would be automatically on.
- If the battery hasn't had any voltage variation for more than 2 minute then recording automatically switches off.
- It would work like a CCTV camera, and new recording erase old one.

That would save some hassle to set up recording.


To some extent, Neptune lite could be a cell health tracker and I foresee one permanently on my pack to monitor my cells on a weekly basis to make sure no issue happened with them. It's also a good one when a battery pack has just been created.

Thanks for this product!

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Post by speedict » Aug 25 2015 3:15am

cwah wrote:

For example:
- If the battery has significant +0.5v or -0.5v difference then recording would be automatically on.
- If the battery hasn't had any voltage variation for more than 2 minute then recording automatically switches off.
- It would work like a CCTV camera, and new recording erase old one.

great idea, beside SHUTDOWN and SLEEP, Neptune Lite will add new MONITOR mode, with this mode selected Neptune only shutdown its bluetooth, reduce hardware power consumption and keep monitoring cell delta voltage until :

1. wake up by bluetooth
2. (POR) power on reset, power off and on via power button

when ebike is in idle state, user can :

1. leave it power on until enter to sleep mode
2. shutdown Neptune Lite
3. turn on MONITOR mode via android device


we will consider it on next software update.



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Post by knutselmaaster » Aug 25 2015 8:15am

Nice, you're not replying to complaining customers, but you do reply if you think it will make you sell....
That is great support!

Talking about software update; When are the old, not properly working, speedicts going to be updated???

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Post by speedict » Aug 25 2015 9:03am

knutselmaaster wrote:Nice, you're not replying to complaining customers, but you do reply if you think it will make you sell....
That is great support!

Talking about software update; When are the old, not properly working, speedicts going to be updated???
all updated firmware are available via firmware upgrade feature via Android device, up to this moment we don't have bugs reported need software fix.
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Post by knutselmaaster » Aug 25 2015 9:08am

knutselmaaster wrote:Hello Danny.
I have just finished reading this whole thread.
Also I've been very busy trying out my Mercury since about a week.
I have a lot of problems with the Android app crashing.
I have a Sony Xperia Z2 and I tried the official 5.01 and 5.02 android versions.
The most annoying problem is that when I try to change the dashboard settings, like min and max battery gauge, the app crashes and all settings that I changed since the last start of the app are lost.
When I set battery lvl alarm it starts screaming without any reason and it won't stop.
And often, it just crashes without any significant reason...

Also, when I change the settings of the pas mode I currently use, reading and writing settings sometimes take ages or don't happen at all. Only rebooting the Speedict (power off/on) seems to make it work again.
I got enormous spikes in the amp reading.
I have 36v and about 10a on a geared (non regen) motor.
My max amp is often over 5000A
5000A!
And I have similar spikes in regen.

Is there an update coming for the app?
Are the false readings because of a faulty Speedict ?

Thank you
knutselmaaster wrote:The support is as good as the product....
I removed the Speedict from the bike, and used it on another.
Other motor, other controller, different sensors and a different mode (was on pas mode, now on road legal 2)
I have the same troubles:
-Speedict stops controlling (no accelerator output) every now and then
-When I try to change the Speedict settings, it bugs and the connection stalls, and all settings are lost. (have fun setting min and max throttle in the middle of the street, lifting the bike)
-Data are useless (6000w on 36v system etc)
-The Android app is totally unstable (tried 3 different phones, 6 android versions)
-There is no support

And the price has just been raised by 20%!

I am so deceived about this product.
I wanted to integrate it in the bikes I sell but that just is not possible.
Besides the bugs and problems, the settings are so difficult to understand and unexplained that even an experienced technician like me has to use trial and error to get it to react as I want, it will be impossible to give proper customer support as there are no clear instructions that I could give them.

It is a shame as the product has a lot of potential.

Arduino here I come....
knutselmaaster wrote:I forgot to mention :
-In Road legal 2 mode, now and then suddenly it accelerates full power 15A without any reason.
-When using the "instant legal" shortcut on the phone, all settings of the Speedict get erased and my bike won't work before I set everything up again (wheel in the air for throttle min/max again etc, my back hurts...)
-The map function doesn't zoom out, so you have no idea of where you are
-Pas readings are not stable, it reads 0 every now and then, stopping the motor (I tried different sensors and positions as I thought it was my fault)
-The (voltage) alarm function cannot be used as my phone starts alarming for no reason and it won't stop until I deactivate the function.

I'm sure I've forgotten some still...


O really?

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Post by rosich » Aug 25 2015 9:14am

knutselmaaster wrote:I forgot to mention :
-In Road legal 2 mode, now and then suddenly it accelerates full power 15A without any reason.
-When using the "instant legal" shortcut on the phone, all settings of the Speedict get erased and my bike won't work before I set everything up again (wheel in the air for throttle min/max again etc, my back hurts...)
-The map function doesn't zoom out, so you have no idea of where you are
-Pas readings are not stable, it reads 0 every now and then, stopping the motor (I tried different sensors and positions as I thought it was my fault)
-The (voltage) alarm function cannot be used as my phone starts alarming for no reason and it won't stop until I deactivate the function.

I'm sure I've forgotten some still...


try upload your port status report us, see if we can help to pin point your settings since Speedict Mercury need some time to fine tune it.

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Re: Speedict Ebike - Anybody seen/tried this?

Post by knutselmaaster » Aug 25 2015 9:21am

Too late, I have already spent way too much time on this, and I certainly won't disassemble my customers bike again.
My plan was to sell bikes with speedicts but the errors and lack of support have made me search for another solution, which I found a long time ago already.

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