Persecuting E-Bikes in New York City

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Post by scotticeberg » May 23 2012 6:54pm

The law in many places pertaining to e-bikes is disheartening. Fortunately, many e-bikes are indistinguishable from non e-bikes. If one does get harassed, fight the good fight in court. Federal law allows for e-bikes. It should not be a terribly hard win when local and/or state laws are disharmonious with the federal provision. Create favorable case-law for your fellow e-bikers.

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Post by Lessss » May 23 2012 9:35pm

The Commanding Officer of the 78th precinct, Captain Michael Ameri, said that after “numerous complaints” from the community about how the electric bicycles “disturb the quality of life throughout the neighborhood” he started a two-day campaign to enforce the law.
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The Commanding Officer of the 78th precinct, Captain Michael Ameri, said that after “numerous complaints” from the cab companies, car sellers, bus services, and gas selllers about how the electric bicycles “disturb their profits” he started a two-day campaign to enforce the law.
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Post by lazarus2405 » May 23 2012 10:20pm

scotticeberg wrote: Federal law allows for e-bikes. It should not be a terribly hard win when local and/or state laws are disharmonious with the federal provision. Create favorable case-law for your fellow e-bikers.
Federal law does not allow for the riding of ebikes on public roads. States and their respective DMVs make those regulations. All that federal law allows for is the regulation around consumer protection with respect to importing and selling ebikes; it has nothing to do with the legality of actually riding ebikes. If you're riding an ebike on a public road/sidewalk/pathway in New York State, you are breaking the law as it currently stands, and there is no arguing it.

Of course, that doesn't stop me from commuting to work six days a week on my ebike here in Rochester. I'm fairly certain that no one will ever bother an ebiker outside NYC so long as the ebiker was riding safely, responsibly, and otherwise lawfully.

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Post by Ykick » May 23 2012 10:42pm

Meanwhile in other news - Michael Mckean in serious condition with a broken leg and it wasn't caused by an eBike! Any guesses what was responsible?

The arrogance, stupidity and corrupt culture of this city and state will never cease to amaze and baffle me...

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Post by veloman » Jun 09 2012 2:36pm

I had written to Jessica Lappin a few months but did not get a response. But apparantly I got put on her mailing list. She is concerned about air quality as seen here. Of course ebikes are the best solution to air quality issues...

As you may recall, I was recently on the morning show Good Day NY talking about the Second Avenue subway. In particular, we discussed my bill to require the MTA to monitor air quality along the route and to put that data up online.

That's why I am pleased to share some good news. After that appearance, the MTA agreed to work with me on this issue. Now, not only are they testing at ten sites, today we announced that the MTA is putting the data up online on a weekly basis.

I believe that having access to this data will help New Yorkers breathe a little easier. If you're interested, you can view the air quality monitoring reports by visiting www.mta.info/sasair. This is a big step in the right direction. I’ll continue working to make sure the MTA does everything it can to mitigate the impact of Second Avenue construction on our community.

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Post by MattyCiii » Jun 09 2012 3:28pm

Meanwhile, more people in the 5 boroughs are killed by cars each year than by guns.

You don't even need to be in the road for NYC motorists to kill you, they'll deliver death right to you while you walk on the curb:
http://www.streetsblog.org/2012/04/26/m ... ges-filed/

Most motorists don't even get so much as a fine for littering the roads with the carcasses of their victims.

And yet, bicycles and especially motorized bicycles are a "menace".
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Post by Lock » Jun 22 2012 4:38am

http://www.qchron.com/editions/queenswi ... 56c43.html
E-bikers may face future restrictions

But hearing dates on bills are vague

Posted: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:30 am

by Kori Tuitt, Chronicle Contributor

If City Council members’ bills get passed, electric bicycle riders will have to abide by several regulations, which include completing a “bicycle safety course.”

Andrea Bender, a spokeswoman for Councilman James Vacca (D-Bronx), who is also the chairman of the Committee on Transportation, said the council members were planning a June hearing on the issue, but it is likely to be pushed back to the fall.

Councilman Dan Garodnick (D-Manhattan) drafted a bill that would double the fines for committing a traffic infraction on an electric bicycle.

“These bikes have proliferated all over New York City,” Garodnick said, “and they are presenting new challenges for people who are on the street.”

He said he drafted the bill about a year ago in response to the problem, which he said is significant in the area he represents. He said he would like to have a hearing as soon as possible, but it is still not scheduled.

Garodnick added that those on electric bicycles often run through stop lights and ride on sidewalks. Part of the problem, he added, is the lack of enforcement.

“These bikes are illegal to begin with, so fines regarding their operation should be greater than normal,” he said.

Councilwoman Jessica Lappin (D-Manhattan) introduced a bill to double the fine for operating illegal electric bicycles, her spokeswoman, Michelle Feldman, said. The fine would go from $500 to $1,000.

Because of a City Council law passed in 2004, electric bicycles are considered illegal if they can exceed a speed of 15 miles per hour. Feldman added that there has been no date set for a hearing on that bill either.

Another possible regulation is the requirement for commercial cyclists — including those on electric bicycles — to complete a “bicycle safety course.” Cyclists would have to carry proof of completion of the course at all times while riding.

Bender said the content of the course will not be up to the council members, but left to the discretion of the City Department of Transportation, which has already administered bicycle safety courses.
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Putting the brakes on e-bikes

Council members push to increase fines for reckless electric bikers

By Joe Stepansky / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Thursday, July 12, 2012, 6:26 PM.

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City Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer (c.) and Councilman Dan Garodnick (l.) unveiled a proposal at a news conference in Sunnyside on Thursday to double the fines for using electric bikes recklessly.



The City Council is trying to put the brakes on electric bikes.

After receiving complaints about the power-assisted bicycles running red lights and speeding on sidewalks, lawmakers are set to introduce a bill to hike fines for individuals using e-bikes recklessly, lawmakers said Thursday.

“These bikes are illegal to begin with. Fines for violations should be greater,” Councilman Dan Garodnick (D-Manhattan), the main sponsor of the bill, said as he unveiled the proposal at a news conference in Sunnyside.

“There are not enough fines being issued,” said Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer (D-Sunnyside), a co-sponsor of the bill. “And they’re not steep enough to make sure it doesn’t happen again.”

Van Bramer called the careless e-bikers an “epidemic.”

But some e-bike advocates said the legislation stigmatizes a promising transportation option.

“They’re criminalizing e-bikes,” said Caroline Samponaro of the advocacy group Transportation Alternatives.

The bill is “misguided,” she said, noting that power-assisted bicycles make “biking a realistic option for lots of people.”

City and state laws prohibit the use of electric bikes in the city. The Council cannot make the Police Department to increase enforcement, Garodnick said, but it can increase penalties for offenses.

The bill would increase the fine for riding on the sidewalk from $100 to $200 and the fine for running a red light from a maximum of $450 to $900, Garodnick said.

Many pedestrians welcomed the proposal.

“I’ve seen people get hit, but the guy just jumps back on his bike and drives off into the sunset,” said retired concierge John Carroll, 79, of Sunnyside.

The bikes make sidewalks unsafe for pedestrians, said Sunnyside resident Patty Elston, 63.

“Elderly people can’t get out of the way fast enough,” she said. “There’s a huge potential for accidents.”

E-bike advocates argue the zippy bikes offer a gas-free mode of transport popular with commuters and food delivery workers.

Francisco Duran, 34, of Long Island City, said he rides his e-bike to work every day.

“If people follow bike laws it’s not dangerous,” said Duran, who noted his bike tops out at 18 mph.

The manager of a soon-to-open e-bike shop in Sunnyside shook his head when told of the proposed bill.

“The riders don’t have the money to pay the fines,” said the manager, who only gave his last name Chen. “They won’t buy the bikes.”

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http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/2012071 ... tric-bikes
Pols and Residents Rally for Crackdown on Illegal Electric Bikes

July 12, 2012 6:15pm

By Ewa Kern-Jedrychowska, DNAinfo Reporter/Producer

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Donald McCallian (right) said he had witnessed two incidents which involved e-bike users and seniors on wheelchair (DNAinfo/Ewa Kern-Jedrychowska)

SUNNYSIDE — Donald McCallian, 75, says he has to be very careful walking around his neighborhood because the riders of speeding, electric bikes seem intent on terrorizing pedestrians.

In fact, he said that he witnessed two incidents recently in which e-bike users collided with seniors in wheelchairs.

“There are a lot of seniors in this neighborhood," said McCallian, a Community Board 2 member. “In one case a senior was knocked out of her wheelchair."

The electric bikes, which use an electric motor used to power the vehicle and can accelerate much faster than regular bikes, are illegal in New York City, but many restaurants and businesses that rely on deliveries use them, officials said.

They have drawn complaints in neighborhoods around the city, including the Upper East Side, where local pols say they have created a nightmare for pedestrians. Residents said e-bike riders also often run red lights and ride against traffic.

At a rally Thursday in Queens, Sunnyside residents and elected officials said that they had seen a significant increase in the number of those bikes in the neighborhood in the past few months.

“They just zoom by,” said another resident Leonore Lanzillotti. “And no one expects that on the sidewalk.”

Councilman Dan Garodnick introduced a bill that will double the fines issued to the e-bike operators.

“Navigating our city streets is difficult enough without many cyclists who are riding illegal bikes,” he said.

Under the legislation, the maximum fine for riding an e-bike on a sidewalk would increase from $100 to $200. A fine for running a red light for the first time would increase from the range of $150-450 to $300-900, according to Garodnick.

“These bikes are illegal to begin with”, Garodnick said, adding the police have the authority to confiscate e-bikes and can issue fines to their users.

He said he hoped that doubling the fines would be a deterrent. “Fines related to their operation should be greater than [those related to] other traffic violations,” he said.

Garodnick, who represents the Upper East Side, said the problem is citywide. He also said he hoped the bill would be discussed in the City Council this fall.

Local councilman Jimmy Van Bramer, who is one of the bill’s sponsors, said that the e-bikes “have become an epidemic of reckless driving” in his district, which includes Sunnyside, Long Island City and Woodside.

He added he has seen the bikes throughout his district, including on Queens Boulevard, Skillman Avenue, 46 Street and Greenpoint Avenue.
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Another pic used to illustrate that last article:
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(The dangerous vehicle is the one on the left.)
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Post by all74 » Jul 14 2012 6:18am

Classic photo. Headline should read "Epidemic of e bikes endangering SUVs right to text while driving"
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Post by Ykick » Jul 14 2012 8:37am

"I’ve seen people get hit, but the guy just jumps back on his bike and drives off into the sunset,” said retired concierge John Carroll, 79, of Sunnyside.

And where's a police report or corroborating witness and/or evidence?

Thought so...

Although not directly an eBike story this ran in NYC last night about increased enforcement and deputizing NYC DOT workers to wring money out of delivery riders.



I'm all for enforcing existing rules but when they talk about banning eBikes because they're eBikes I have to look for a spot to throw up. Particularly when they ignore roads that are so damn unsafe with regard to hurtling, heavy vehicles.

That eBike/SUV pic would be awesome with such a caption...
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Post by MikeFairbanks » Jul 14 2012 8:51am

I was in New York in April and I was amazed at how many e-bikes there were. In this state (Georgia) I've probably seen, at most, five or six. I'm sure there are a bunch out there, but I rarely see them. I built a couple, IceCube57 came over a couple times and showed me his, and there's a guy with a Tadpole that equipped with a chain-driven motor (he has Parkinsons and it's causing him to need the assistance). There's also a guy at the LBS who made one.

Other than that I haven't seen any others.


On the other hand, when we went to New York City for my first visit ever, we took the train from White Plains, got off at Fifth Avenue, walked up stairs to the street and, boom, I saw six of them on one block alone. E-bikes are all over NY, and the officials of New York should be applauding this excellent and wise use of resources, talent, creativity, and SAFETY.

E-bikes are much safer than taxis, buses, SUVs, and all those subways with no guard rail and just a yellow line that you aren't supposed to cross if you don't like turning into scrambled eggs.

I kid. I like the subway (when the urine smell is washed away).


Check out this picture. I can imagine someone trying to cross the street with her kids: "Honey, be careful. E-bikes are hard to see and could hit you."

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Post by Ykick » Jul 14 2012 9:02am

I cross 6th Ave at that spot every night...
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Post by veloman » Jul 14 2012 10:17am

I think increasing fines is fine. It's the behavior that is the problem.

They shouldn't be singling out ebikes when they talk about it though.


But it sounds like the police don't care about enforcing the actual use of ebikes, which is how it should be. The law needs to be changed to allow the legal use of them.
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Post by Chalo » Jul 14 2012 12:47pm

veloman wrote:But it sounds like the police don't care about enforcing the actual use of ebikes, which is how it should be. The law needs to be changed to allow the legal use of them.
Yep. NY needs to get with the program. When there aren't guidelines of what is clearly acceptable and what isn't, then all users are outlaws. I bet their traffic behavior reflects that to some degree. If folks are going to conduct themselves in a generally acceptable manner, they have to have a consensus as to what's generally acceptable. Clearly NYC has not developed a consensus about e-bikes, nor has it had a legal substitute for one imposed on it. That's a situation that promotes bad behavior by e-bike operators and selective enforcement/harassment by cops.

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Post by EdwardNY » Oct 01 2012 10:56pm

Most of the e-bikes that I see in Manhattan are delivery bikes. I do not see any custom built ones on like a mountain bike frame.

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Post by Dlogic » Oct 02 2012 1:38am

The problem in general could be defined as over regulation. As the number of people that sit in government offices steadily grows, they all want to do something " Important "!! So hey, since we don't produce anything and don't want that feeling of total uselessness to emerge it's time to fill the gap with crap. Here in Germany things are going in that same direction. Insurance for everything, trials in front of court every day, people making life hard on one another and yes let's invent more laws. Common sense has become rare. It's close to extinction now. I want my freedom back and that's why i don't give a f...., twist that throttle and ride around town with clean green energy from the solar panels on my houses rooftop. Of course maintaining reasonable speeds when in crowded places. :mrgreen:

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Post by QuestionMan » Dec 09 2013 9:11pm

Couple of family members showed me this article that was ran in the New York Post. NYPD takes heat for stalling on electric bike ban enforcement.

I can say that when I am in Manhattan, I see plenty of delivery E-bikes around.

I wonder if the NYPD will start to crack down on them soon. I don't like hearing about the fact they are allowed to impound your bike. If your bike is impounded does that mean they keep it forever or do they have to give it back? Anyway, I will never know because if the cops try to stop me I am not going to stop.
The new law, which was supposed to take effect Nov. 11, permits cops to impound the bikes operated on city streets and issue increased summonses to riders and their employers in the interest of pedestrian safety.

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Post by Matador » Dec 09 2017 6:11pm

If you are unable to pay the fine or win if you contest the fine (500 to 1000$), then you can`t get it back.
You have to HAVE a paper that says YOU PAID 500$ TICKET/ARE RECOGNISED NON GUILTY. You also HAVE to present to the pound with a RECIEPT from where you bought the bike (a proof that YOU bought it) AND you have to HAVE a VALID drivers licence.

Then, IF you fill these criteria, THEN you can get your bike back from the pound.
You have 90DAYS before NYPD decides they sell it in an AUCTION.

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Post by LockH » Jan 23 2018 4:40pm

Hehe...

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The Rag is an online newspaper/blog that covers the Upper West Side of Manhattan, and it’s written by Upper West Siders. We cover real estate, crime, store openings and closings, the parks, ebikes and many other topics, and we publish colorful columns about the neighborhood.
Electric Bikes Are Not Causing Injuries on the UWS, But Still Spook Residents:
https://www.westsiderag.com/2018/01/23/ ... -residents

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At a Community Board 7 transportation committee meeting earlier this month, NYPD officials discussed crash statistics. Of the 58 reported bicycle accidents in 2017 (up from 46 in 2016), only one involved an e-bike—and in that particular incident, the rider hit a pothole, according to Sgt. Felicia Montgomery of the 20th precinct, which covers the Upper West Side from 59th to 86th Street. Captain Manuel of the 24th precinct, which covers the UWS from 86th to 110th, did not offer specific stats on the number of injuries but said “we’re not seeing a lot of collisions with e-bikes.”
Surprise!

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Some community members at the meeting said they felt the bikes are dangerous because of how quickly they travel. Last year, Council member Helen Rosenthal said at de Blasio’s press conference that her office gets frequent complaints about the bikes. “One of the top complaints we hear about in District 6 is about the electric bikes that ride extremely fast frequently in the wrong direction and without any lights or sound indication of their presence,” she said.
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Post by Chalo » Jan 23 2018 10:26pm

LockH wrote:
Jan 23 2018 4:40pm
“One of the top complaints we hear about in District 6 is about the electric bikes that ride extremely fast frequently in the wrong direction and without any lights or sound indication of their presence,” she said.
Watt... Some folks misbehave???

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Post by LockH » Jan 23 2018 10:41pm

^^ Hehe... The thing about "cheaters" is, that they like to "break the rules"... watt change across "boundaries" and over time. Maybe the rest of the world needs to "catch up"? :lol:
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Post by LockH » Jan 30 2018 4:05pm

Hehe... FUN reading the news from "other places"...

Congestion Plan for Manhattan Gets Mixed Reviews:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/19/nyre ... cuomo.html

"Congestion pricing"? Better force those darned cheater bikes off NYC roads... (Generate more revenues from "paying customers" aka the taxpayers...)

Always follow the money. :wink:
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