I agree with this wholeheartedly.Ykick wrote:
That's the "safety" point we should be making. How ebikes actually contribute to courtesy and safer operation than peddlers who blow through crosswalks and intersections.
Ykick wrote:Don't we all feel better knowing these "people" are looking out for us?
http://gothamist.com/2012/02/28/should_ ... ke_get.php
This city probably has more eBikes in use than any other city in the USA but just one little problem, they're illegal. I can't find words to describe how utterly stupid this place can be...
Human nature not to admit you've been an idiot once you realize the truth of things... plus she only cares about the majority opinion of the unwashed hoi polloi (aka "voters".) Possibly more effective if folks can get ebike positive opinion pieces published in the local medias.veloman wrote:I never got a response from Jessica Lappin, she doesn't seem interested in discussing this ebike issue of hers.
Lock wrote:Human nature not to admit you've been an idiot once you realize the truth of things... plus she only cares about the majority opinion of the unwashed hoi polloi (aka "voters".) Possibly more effective if folks can get ebike positive opinion pieces published in the local medias.veloman wrote:I never got a response from Jessica Lappin, she doesn't seem interested in discussing this ebike issue of hers.
Ykick wrote:15MPH? She's pulling this out of her ass and/or her advisers are looking for a way to back off. Unless something passed up in Albany recently, there's nothing about 15MPH that I've ever heard of?
I'll tell you something she should be working on - damn 59th St Bridge (Ed Koch) has stupid car drivers driving up the bike/walk lane all the time. It could even be every day. Since January, I've seen it 9 times. Luckily, so far it's been stupid drivers but one of these days/nights some drunk will get on there and drive it like they stole it...
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/trafrule.pdfYkick wrote:I've heard and been told there's basically 25-30 MPH citywide speed limit for everywhere in Manhattan other than FDR and West side highway. I dunno...
(a) Maximum speed limits and basic rule.
(1) No person shall drive a vehicle at a speed greater than thirty miles per hour except where official signs indicate a different maximum speed limit.
(2) Where official signs are posted indicating a maximum speed limit, no person shall drive a vehicle at a speed greater than such maximum speed limit.
Interesting to see this mis-information being picked up elsewhere:eugenem wrote:According to the same City Councilwoman Jessica Lappin here http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/dyn ... -1.1056858
"Electric bikes are currently outlawed in the city unless they have a maximum speed of under 15 miles per hour"
Which is it? Are they illegal or legal when limited to 15mph?
I wonder if SFBay "researched" this fact themselves, or were fed the info by Mordkovich and Mostovetsky...Part of the problem are silly laws in places like New York City. Electric bikes are illegal in Gotham unless their speed is limited to a moribund 15 miles per hour.
"Please be considerate of the safety of your fellow motorists..."Which Motorized Vehicles Are Illegal In New York City?
by Ned Berke on Apr 10th, 2012
As the warm weather kicks in, the NYPD’s 61st Precinct is launching a public awareness campaign about the illegality of certain vehicles which have become more prevalent in our community. The following is the text of a flier they are currently distributing:
In an effort to ensure the safety of the motorists and pedestrians of New York City, the NYPD would like to advise citizens of the rules and regulations related to specific motorized devices.
The following motorized devices cannot be registered within New York State and therefore these devices cannot be operated on the highways, public streets or sidewalks of New York State.
Motor Assisted Bicycles - This includes electric powered bicycles
Operation of any of these devices on any highway, street, sidewalk, parking lot or any area that allows public motor vehicle traffic is strictly prohibited.
Use of these devices subject the operator to summons and/or arrest as well as confiscation of the motorized device. Please be considerate of the safety of your fellow motorists and pedestrians.
The NYPD Thanks You For Your Cooperation.
"...and pedestrians"Lock wrote:"Please be considerate of the safety of your fellow motorists..."
by Ned Berke on May 12th, 2008
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Full article in the link...YORKVILLE — The Upper East Side’s latest weapon in the fight against bad biking is putting up roadblocks to liquor licenses because of cycling violations.
The local community board amended its liquor license approval rules a few months ago and will now only support applications when owners agree to abide by bicycle guidelines such as not riding on sidewalks, having proper equipment and not using electric bikes.
Adam's Chinese restaurant — which does business under the name Vicky's Cottage — on Second Avenue and East 91st Street, was the first to see the impact of the new rules.
The State Liquor Authority denied its wine and beer license application last month after two members of Community Board 8 spotted one of its deliverymen riding an electric bike on the sidewalk.
The 78th Precinct Pushes to Enforce the Illegal Use of Electric Bicycles
Last week, during a two-day initiative the 78th precinct confiscated three electric bicycles and arrested its riders in a crackdown on the illegal hybrid bicycles.
By Will Yakowicz
Deliverymen and women can be seen racing around from delivery to delivery on the electric bicycles, which are half bike, half electric motorized vehicle with a rechargeable battery.
But, their speed poses concern: they can get up to 20 to 30 miles per hour and they are illegal to ride or operate in New York State.
Last August, with the use of e-bikes on the rise, Councilmember Brad Lander (D- Park Slope) called for a task force to study the law and how the electric bicycles fit in.
Lander said the e-bikes “travel in a legal black hole – some agencies consider them bicycles, others consider them mopeds."
But years before, in 2004, a bill was passed making electric bicycles illegal.
The Department of Motor Vehicles’ website, click here, states that you cannot register an electric bicycle and are illegal to ride:
“These devices are not allowed on any street, highway, parking lot, sidewalk or other area that allows public motor vehicle traffic. You are subject to arrest if you operate one of these motorized vehicles and do not have a registration, driver license, inspection, insurance or correct equipment. The DMV can not provide any information about operation of these devices on private property. Contact the local authorities and property owners.”
The DMV says that, “these devices are motor vehicles, but they do not have the correct equipment or design for operation on roadways.”
With the law clearly written the 78th precinct is cracking down on the lawbreakers.
The Commanding Officer of the 78th precinct, Captain Michael Ameri, said that after “numerous complaints” from the community about how the electric bicycles “disturb the quality of life throughout the neighborhood” he started a two-day campaign to enforce the law.
During the initiative last week, Ameri said that his cops arrested three electric bike riders and confiscated the three bikes, on the grounds that they are unlicensed and unregistered vehicles.
“They are illegal to operate on city streets because they cannot be registered by the Department of Motor Vehicles,” Ameri said, explaining that it is not illegal, however, to own one, but it is illegal to ride one on the streets.
Lander said that although the bikes are popular because of their speed, that potential speed, especially on a sidewalk (where all bikes are illegal), on a bike lane or in the street could be dangerous to others.
“Electric bikes can accelerate much faster than a bicycle and represent a potential hazard without clear city and state laws about where and how they can be ridden," Lander said in August.
Lander said that his bill is focused on the dangerous aspect of the electric bicycles pose to others sharing the road:
“E-bikes are a safety concern in our neighborhood,” Lander told Patch on Tuesday. “That is why I have introduced legislation to align city and state law – and help keep pedestrians, cyclists and drivers in our community safe.”