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Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by spinningmagnets » Nov 09 2013 12:22pm

There may be one that's earlier, but I thought the group might enjoy this:

http://www.google.com/patents/US552271
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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by LockH » Nov 09 2013 1:33pm

spinningmagnets wrote:There may be one that's earlier...[/attachment]
Yah... Def. worth repeating, but Ogden Bolton Jr., noted April 17, 2010, in the somewatt damaged thread "Horses of Iron", here:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 00#p259286
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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by dogman dan » Nov 09 2013 2:26pm

Good ideas just won't die. Notice the battery placement. And is that not a clamping dropout I see?

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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by LockH » Nov 09 2013 2:49pm

Oh oh... I mean, I like to "clamp" stuff as much as the next guy (some ladies I knew were especially accomplished), but I only dropped out of one university that I recall (and I blame it on a woman). My guess is, ya mean a motor "dropout" (from a bicycle frame "forks"). But I'm not as "technically minded" as many of you gents. Sorry! Must go now and investigate...
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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by spinningmagnets » Nov 09 2013 3:15pm

I try not to be overbearing and obnoxious with linking to articles that I've written, but I started researching to expand on the old patents theme, and you just GOTTA see this:

http://www.electricbike.com/e-bike-pate ... the-1800s/

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Reminds me of the Etek boardtrack racer:

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Reminds me of: Eric Peltzers E-bike from 2006

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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by spinningmagnets » Nov 09 2013 5:40pm

Most torque-arms snugly slip onto the flats of the axle. "Clamping drop outs" are the best. Here's an example, where the bolt clamps down onto the axle:

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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by spinningmagnets » Nov 09 2013 6:24pm

I broadened my search to newer than 1900, and found this front hubmotor E-bike from 1939...look familiar?
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Bicycle patents of interest from:
1893: http://www.google.com/patents/US505025 electro-magnetic clutch
1897: http://www.google.com/patents/US575639 oil-fed turbine powered BB-drive
1897: http://www.google.com/patents/US1288068 gasoline friction drive, top of front tire
1899: http://www.google.com/patents/US626295 gasoline FWD, both friction or chain
1901: http://www.google.com/patents/US688838 gasoline friction drive, top of rear tire
1901: http://www.google.com/patents/US670010 gasoline moped
1902: http://www.google.com/patents/US707923 Eccentric BB for chain tensioning, E-bike drive shown
1902: http://www.google.com/patents/US715889 gasoline friction drive, top of front tire, opposed crank engine
1902: http://www.google.com/patents/US707923 eccentric BB for chain tensioning, Stokemonkey?
1903: http://www.google.com/patents/US744423 magnetic clutch
1914: http://www.google.com/patents/US1118616 hybrid drivetrain?
1915: http://www.google.com/patents/US1158311 gasoline friction-drive on top of rear tire
1916: http://www.google.com/patents/US1223400 auto, starter motor/magnetic clutch combo?
1916: http://www.google.com/patents/US1364476 gasoline friction drive, top of front tire
1916: http://www.google.com/patents/US1191287 gasoline friction drive, top of rear tire
1918: http://www.google.com/patents/US1265078 auto, starter motor/magnetic clutch combo?
1918: http://www.google.com/patents/US1288068 gasoline friction drive, front tire
1920: http://www.google.com/patents/US4221275 electric delta trike, motor/differential in rear
1920: http://www.google.com/patents/US1338042 E-auto, motor and gear-reduction housed in rear axle
1921: http://www.google.com/patents/US1461869 gasoline, engine mounted to swingarm, two stage chain reduction
1922: http://www.google.com/patents/US1485682 pedal, donkey tractor gear for very high gearing
1922: http://www.google.com/patents/US1436788 gasoline friction-drive, front of rear tire
1940: http://www.google.com/patents/US2224411 E-wheelchair
1942: http://www.google.com/patents/US2277391 spring braking, and launch-assist
1946: http://www.google.com/patents/US2397115 E-BB-drive, like Clean-mobile
1946: http://www.google.com/patents/US2409887 gasoline friction-drive, top of rear tire
1948: http://www.google.com/patents/US2451965 gasoline friction drive, top of rear tire, two rollers connected by belt
1949: http://www.google.com/patents/US2491076 E-friction drive, below BB, Benazzoli
1950: http://www.google.com/patents/US2514460 hubmotor patent, for bikes, scooters
1950: http://www.google.com/patents/US2493275 gasoline friction drive, top of rear tire, two rollers connected by belt
1951: http://www.google.com/patents/US2574824 gasoline friction drive, rear tire, multiple mount locations
1956; http://www.google.com/patents/US2745504 gasoline friction drive, rear tire, below BB
1962: http://www.google.com/patents/US3056460 gasoline friction drive, top of front tire
1965: http://www.google.com/patents/US3225854 gasoline friction-drive, slides straight back to front of rear tire
1967: http://www.google.com/patents/US3339659 gasoline friction drive, top of rear tire
1967: https://www.google.com/patents/US3329444 pedal, hubless/spokeless wheels
1967: http://www.google.com/patents/US3342281 gasoline friction drive, front of rear tire, folding frame
1968: https://www.google.com/patents/US3533484 E-trike, three small motors on one drive gear
1969: https://www.google.com/patents/US3431994 E-friction drive, 4 rollers for traction
1973: http://www.google.com/patents/US3773131 E-scooter
1974: http://www.google.com/patents/US3800898 E-drive non-hub, front wheel, two stage
1974: http://www.google.com/patents/US3841428 E-friction drive, top of front tire, two motors with one freewheeling roller
1975: https://www.google.com/patents/US3915250 E-friction drive, dual side rollers
1975: https://www.google.com/patents/US3884317 E-BB drive, motor around the BB spindle, + giant dia hub-motor
1975: http://www.google.com/patents/US3891044 E-friction drive with cone-shaped roller to adjust speed
1975: http://www.google.com/patents/US3905442 E-friction drive, top of front tire
1975: http://www.google.com/patents/US4143730 E-friction drive, top of rear tire
1975: http://www.google.com/patents/US3921745 E-drive non-hub, two-stage left-side-drive + a front wheel friction-drive
1975: http://www.google.com/patents/US3921741 rear DD hub with regen
1975: http://www.google.com/patents/US3912039 E-friction drive, front tire, roller against attached disc
1976: http://www.google.com/patents/US3978936 E-friction drive, top of front tire, single motor
1976: http://www.google.com/patents/US3961678 E-friction drive, Kepler swinging roller
1976: http://www.google.com/patents/US3966007 E-friction drive, top of rear tire, two rollers with a belt connecting them
1977: http://www.google.com/patents/US4062421 e-hub? magnets on rim form a motor? crazy tech
1977: https://www.google.com/patents/US4044852 e-BB-drive, cylindrical motor, 90-deg
1978: http://www.google.com/patents/US4085814 E-mid-drive, cylindrical 90-deg
1979: http://www.google.com/patents/US4175630 gasoline friction drive, top of rear tire
1979: http://www.google.com/patents/US4143730 E-friction drive, rear tire
1980: http://www.google.com/patents/US4221275 E-friction drive, RC+ belt+ roller
1981; http://www.google.com/patents/US4276950 gasoline, propellor-driven bike, rotates sideways for pedal or storage.
1981: http://www.google.com/patents/US4280581 E-drive non-hub, Longtail mid-drive, like Hanebrink
1983: https://www.google.com/patents/EP0079573A1?cl=en similar to Miles
1983: http://www.google.com/patents/US4410060 single-stage left-side-drive "Lukes Deathbike"
1985: http://www.google.com/patents/WO1985003266A1?cl=en E-friction drive, cone-shaped roller for speed adjustment
1985: http://www.google.com/patents/US4541500 similar to Miles' configuration
1993: http://www.google.com/patents/US5237263 E-friction drive, top of rear tire, cone-shaped roller for speed adjustment
1993: http://www.google.com/patents/US5242028 E-BB-drive, 90-deg cylindrical
1993: http://www.google.com/patents/US5272938 giant diameter geared hubmotor
1995: http://www.google.com/patents/EP0644110A2?cl=en E-friction drive, rear tire two-rooler one drive-belt
1995: http://www.google.com/patents/US5450915 direct drive front hub motor
1996: http://www.google.com/patents/US3921745 E-friction drive, top of front tire, 4th page
1998: http://www.google.com/patents/US7357209 E-drive, non-hub, dual parallel right side drive, also inline chain drive
1998: http://www.google.com/patents/US5842535 E-friction drive, top of rear tire
1998: http://www.google.com/patents/US5829546 E-BB-drive, cylindrical motor, 90-deg, battery inside down tube, Merida
1998: https://www.google.com/patents/US5816355 E-friction drive, EV Warrior
1998: http://www.google.com/patents/US5799747 E-friction drive, Kepler?
1998: https://www.google.com/patents/EP0832816A1?cl=en E-BB drive, dual planetary, Mitsubishi (like Optibike)
1999: http://www.google.com/patents/US5934401 E-chain drive, rear wheel, Currie Ezip
1999: http://www.google.com/patents/US5941333 E-BB-drive, cylindrical motor, 90-deg
2000: https://www.google.com/patents/US6152249 E-BB drive, Li Li Wang Zhu drive (like Bofeili)
2000: http://www.google.com/patents/US6155369 Jackal E--scooter
2001: https://www.google.com/patents/US6296072 Optibike BB-drive
2002: http://www.google.com/patents/USRE37583 Currie Ezip patent
2004: https://www.google.com/patents/US20040084238 E-mid drive, Sanyo
2007: http://www.google.com/patents/US7185726 rear wheel rim-gear, like a donkey locomotive
2007: http://www.google.com/patents/US7261175 E-drive, Stoke-Monkey?
2008: http://www.google.com/patents/US7314109 E-drive, non-hub, crossbreak?
2008: http://www.google.com/patents/US7461714 E-drive, non-hub, hanebrink?
2008: http://www.google.com/patents/US7357209 E-BB drive, Sunstar
2010: http://www.sumobrain.com/patents/wipo/C ... 1681A1.pdf Bofeili BB-drive
2010: http://www.google.com/patents/US20100264619 flywheel bike
2011: http://www.google.com/patents/US20110124454 BB-drive, single-stage
2011: https://www.google.com/patents/EP233878 ... IQ6AEwBjha Chinese mid-drive (like Bosch)
2012: https://www.google.com/patents/US20040084238 E-mid drive, Honda, similar to Cyclone
2012: https://www.google.com/patents/USRE43232 18650 cells built into the hub, flykly
2013: https://www.google.com/patents/EP2617636A1?cl=en E-mid drive, Panasonic (was pending for several years)
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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by LockH » Nov 09 2013 7:03pm

Ya Mon! Gotta say though, AFAIK, the two basic choices are motor connected to somewhere (??) or hub in one of the wheels, and that whole energy generation and storage and use thingee (to spin those yummy mags plus copper etc wires). I've sorta been trying to "revisit"/rethink really old "tech" re generation/storage/use, but most on ES seem to have floated away (in a "zero gravity" environment.)

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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by spinningmagnets » Nov 12 2013 8:53pm

A friend fixed the front tire, feel free to use the image in any way you want:
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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by footloose » Nov 12 2013 11:16pm

That bike looks freakishly similar to my most recent build...
Trek mountain bike, Mac motor, battery triangle mounted in Pelican case...
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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by Eskimo » Nov 13 2013 4:17am

Man, that bike makes modern twenty-niners look like Honda Monkeys :) I guess roads those days required plenty of wheel size. Those wheels look like thirty-two"s or something.
As E-bikes become more fashionable, at some point some guy has to build exact replica of those ancestors of course. With some modern components added stealthy way.

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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by LockH » Nov 13 2013 11:22am

Yah know... With a failing laptop, I "saved" 3000+ images (drawings etc, some photos) to "PeeBucket". The early daze of wheeled transportation (eg no horse-drawn chariot photos, oddly enough). I guess the early daze of *motorized* wheeled transportation. Grabbed from (mostly online) old newspapers and journals. EG many pics from the Brit mag "Punch"... watt I don't see/find on a search of ES. EG, "The Hobby Horse Dealer" (from 1819 I believe, no idea where I scooped this one from):
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My problem, perhaps, is that many/most of these pics are saved in larger (easier to read) formats. And I don't know whether anybuddy on ES cares about this sort of "hysterical fiction" (not strictly ebike-related). Maybe I could start a new thread or something. Title it maybe "Transportation. The Early Days" (or where things went horribly wrong).

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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by FeralDog » Nov 13 2013 12:47pm

Excellent research spinningmagnets !
May I tip-the-hat to the unsung inventors and DIY electric bikes that may have never reached Patent stage, but none the less were on the streets of history?
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Post by Samd » Nov 13 2013 6:32pm

I'm assuming ol' Ogden Bolton Junior actually might have made a bike at some stage and rode that sucker. I wonder if it would still be in existence somewhere. If so I'm all for calling it Graceland... :mrgreen:
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Post by sk8norcal » Nov 13 2013 6:55pm

spinningmagnets wrote:I try not to be overbearing and obnoxious with linking to articles that I've written, but I started researching to expand on the old patents theme, ....
Hey Ron,
how about an article on the modern history of the hub motor?

who made the first production hubs?

first brushless? wavecrest?

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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by spinningmagnets » Nov 13 2013 8:04pm

how about an article on the modern history of the hub motor?
Sounds like a good idea. There are a dozen half-finished articles simmering on the back burner. The article that gets finished next is simply which-ever one where I find enough info on it to have enough paragraphs to make it fat enough to publish (having at least 3 good pics helps)...Most days I have lots of time to Google stuff at work...long hours...half work/half killing time.

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1975: https://www.google.com/patents/US3915250 E-friction drive, dual side rollers

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Post by spinningmagnets » Nov 14 2013 1:29am

After I finished the article and published it, I was looking at early electric motorcycle patents, just to see what I could find. While looking at patents, I came to realize that there was no standardized naming conventions during that very dynamic period of invention. As an example, one of the powered E-bikes was listed as a “velocipede”, and this patent from 1902 is listed as a device for a motor-cycle. My eyes popped out when the drawing showed a bicycle with a motor.

The patent is from Carl O. Hedstrom, and is actually for an eccentric Bottom-Bracket (BB) as a method of tensioning two chains (oriented from two directions) that are attached to a BB. The text describes that the auxiliary driver can be an engine or a motor, and I am pleased that they chose a motor for the required drawing (maybe because it was easier to draw?).
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Post by sk8norcal » Nov 14 2013 3:06am

^ i think he is referring to a gas motor,
https://www.google.com/patents/US707923
\Vithin each end ofthe hubfthere is a ballbearing, constructed in the usual manner, for supportingea'chend of an axle 'lt concentrically with said hub. This axle is provided with cranks o, and on that end thereof opposite tothe sprockets 7L and t'there is secured in any suitable way another sprocket w, from which there runs a chain w back to a sprocket 8o 3 having a driving connection withthe rear axle, but constructed, preferably, in such manner as to allow the rear wheel to run free in one direction, whereby thepedals may be held stationary when the vehicle is driven by its motor, but whereby by the use of the pedals the vehicle may be propelled either when the motor is not in use or when it is desired to get the vehicle under way to produce the necessary initial compression of some explo- 9o sive mixture in the motor, which, as is well understood, is ordinarily the motive force employed in powerdriven vehicles of this class.

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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by spinningmagnets » Nov 14 2013 6:50am

Hmmm, I suppose the round thing could be a crank-case...Thanks!

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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by sk8norcal » Nov 14 2013 2:48pm

btw, how do u know that's the jackal patent? or just a guess?


similar one, cheetah
http://visforvoltage.org/forum/bicycles ... elecs/1270
http://www.electric-bikes.com/motor/cycles.html

dont know the 2nd one...
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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by spinningmagnets » Nov 14 2013 5:06pm

I was searching for a long time and typing fast. Calling it a Jackal was just a shorthand way for me to remember what it looks like without needing to click on it again.

I hadn't seen the Cheetah before, thanks!

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Re: Direct Drive hub patent from 1895

Post by sk8norcal » Nov 14 2013 6:30pm

oldest ebike still in existence?

1933 juncker

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... t=+juncker

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