Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by ridethelightning » Mar 04 2018 4:32am

and some interesting stuff on twit-
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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by Quokka » Mar 04 2018 4:50am

Nearly ready to race you merlin. I will have to transfer to holland to meet up lol
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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by brumbrum » Mar 04 2018 5:10am

Exciting times :D I hope you get as much fun from your build as i have with mine. I bet that controller has some punch to it.
I highly recommend statorade and hubsink if you get any high temp issues in the motor.
My NYX and cromotor build
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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by Allex » Mar 04 2018 9:23am

brumbrum wrote:
Mar 03 2018 4:11am
Those images are shocking. The alignment issues are very bad.
Did you pay full price for the frame? Or was it reduced price sample for business purpose?

From getting an nyx frame early on in their production it was very easy to get contact with Cedrick of Nyx.
All of a sudden he disappeared as if he no longer part of nyx. Only Eloi is left who does not speak english.
Communication was quite slow when i ordered new bushings, but it did get sorted. Price for a pair of bushings was ok at $30, but shipping was a whopping $40.
Actually I would be surprised if other makes it better. I dont know about qulbix but frames like vector, stealth are def. not.
But thats handcrafting, would be diff if it was a full scale production with robotic automatization.
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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by litespeed » Mar 04 2018 10:12am

efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Mar 03 2018 10:31pm
litespeed wrote:
Mar 03 2018 10:07am
ridethelightning wrote:
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id be looking at other alternatives like zbike if wanted one now
Looks like their web site is down due to non payment!

Going to hell in a hand Basket! I tell you.

Tom
here is their (new?) website :
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Wonder if they have one for us English speaking folk?
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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Mar 04 2018 11:14am

litespeed wrote:
Mar 04 2018 10:12am

here is their website :
http://zabobike.lt

Wonder if they have one for us English speaking folk?
facebook.com/ElectricBikeLithuania

also check out : charged.lt
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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by Merlin » Mar 04 2018 7:09pm

Quokka wrote:
Mar 04 2018 4:50am
Nearly ready to race you merlin. I will have to transfer to holland to meet up lol
let me know when you re there, i will transfer my bike too :D
smurphy will happy to share his garden with us *lol

not sure but this sabvoton....looks..ehh....longer?

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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by Merlin » Mar 04 2018 7:15pm

Allex wrote:
Mar 04 2018 9:23am
brumbrum wrote:
Mar 03 2018 4:11am
Those images are shocking. The alignment issues are very bad.
Did you pay full price for the frame? Or was it reduced price sample for business purpose?

From getting an nyx frame early on in their production it was very easy to get contact with Cedrick of Nyx.
All of a sudden he disappeared as if he no longer part of nyx. Only Eloi is left who does not speak english.
Communication was quite slow when i ordered new bushings, but it did get sorted. Price for a pair of bushings was ok at $30, but shipping was a whopping $40.
Actually I would not be surprised if other makes it better. I dont know about qulbix but frames like vector, stealth are def. not.
But thats handcrafting, would be diff if it was a full scale production with robotic automatization.
i only know vector EEB and qulbix....
from this point of qualtiy you re right. iam not happy with the "new qulbix" company that gives a shit about DIY guys. But ...yes...
qulbix frames had the best quality i had in my hands so far. i had the first 165...then 3 of a 140 and was going to buy a 76 but the nyx comes between, so here iam =)

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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by Quokka » Mar 05 2018 8:29am

Plus 1. Qulbix hands down produce the nicest bikes i have ever ridden. Quality is supurb compared to anything else. I really like have a steel frame just in case you catch fire.... so you can cook some sausages and have a beer rather than setting fire to the whole countryside. And.. they are pretty water proof
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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by brumbrum » Mar 05 2018 9:46am

Haah, I love barbecued sausages :D

My friend has 140 and it is built like a Slovian tank... tough as old boots for sure. I am keeping an eye on the qulbix mid drive praying they will sell just frame and drive unit together
My NYX and cromotor build
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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by Doctorbass » Mar 09 2018 10:52pm

Merlin,

Was this frame from a batch that was sold with deffect and agreement? (the only agreement that NYX actually accepted but never should have been)?

I heard that they sold a small batch to someone in Europe that accepted the fact that they are deffect and paid less for but after he received these was complaining to NYX?.. well that's the story i heard..

A very sad story... :?

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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by Merlin » Mar 10 2018 6:11am

Probably Yes... I have this frame from allex. After this (I didn't know before) i think the same.
But as I wrote before :
On the headset I was afraid of being not inline or the shock mount...bike rolls and works... "so far" because rolling free handed the bike tends to lean by itself slightly to the right.
What does it mean?.... There's a problem with the geometry and angles of "something" right?

But the most important thing was or IS the swingarm and the wrong angle. As you can see in my pics I filled it with washers.

No question was answered from nyx about that. But as
BrumBrum said the only guy left maybe does not speak English very well so i let this open to the language barrier.

Any ideas what I could do for the self leaning part?

Iam very picky on installing parts without tension.
I'll double check everything and even on every wheel/tire change I put my girl on the bike to have weight on "everything" before nuts and bolts tighten.

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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by Allex » Mar 10 2018 8:40am

Doctorbass wrote:
Mar 09 2018 10:52pm
Merlin,

Was this frame from a batch that was sold with deffect and agreement? (the only agreement that NYX actually accepted but never should have been)?

I heard that they sold a small batch to someone in Europe that accepted the fact that they are deffect and paid less for but after he received these was complaining to NYX?.. well that's the story i heard..

A very sad story... :?

Doc
The only major defect on those bikes was that the bikes had mac motors. A quite undersized motor for such heavy bikes. And they did not connect the temp sensor to Adaptto so potential to smoke the motor was there. The owner smoked a few hall sensors and one mini-e for some reason. There was a few other issues with electronics as well but there were no complains about the frame itself.

Can some1 just post pictures of his frame to compare?
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Post by Merlin » Mar 10 2018 8:44am

The story is about frames only (I think)
This one I have from you was never installed/build.

... I don't know who was the "Europe buyer"... I only know you had 4 complete bikes for sale (as you told above)

But the guy who selled my frame (over you) should be know what he had paid for.

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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by brumbrum » Mar 11 2018 6:09am

Allex wrote:
Mar 10 2018 8:40am
Doctorbass wrote:
Mar 09 2018 10:52pm
Merlin,

Was this frame from a batch that was sold with deffect and agreement? (the only agreement that NYX actually accepted but never should have been)?

I heard that they sold a small batch to someone in Europe that accepted the fact that they are deffect and paid less for but after he received these was complaining to NYX?.. well that's the story i heard..

A very sad story... :?

Doc
The only major defect on those bikes was that the bikes had mac motors. A quite undersized motor for such heavy bikes. And they did not connect the temp sensor to Adaptto so potential to smoke the motor was there. The owner smoked a few hall sensors and one mini-e for some reason. There was a few other issues with electronics as well but there were no complains about the frame itself.

Can some1 just post pictures of his frame to compare?
Here are a few my my frame feom when it was new....

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My NYX and cromotor build
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My LMX 161 dirt bike build
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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by Allex » Mar 11 2018 6:51am

Thx,
last two pictures says it all, same uneven halves.
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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by brumbrum » Mar 11 2018 7:48am

Hmmm?
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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by Merlin » Apr 10 2018 2:35pm

If you are power addicted or simply a power junkie...never buy a frame without clamping dropouts. :roll:

its "normal" that sometimes after replacing tires that your axle nuts come lose 2 or 3 times.
after some nice days in austria riding where other ppl skiing i noticed some weird sounds...creeking and squeeking on accelerating and ebraking.
after checking all movable parts, including suspension brackets etc it took me some time to find out Axle nuts were a bit lose.
my bad...didnt had a frame for years without clamping dropouts.
....tighten then up going out for a ride....a Single Full Power run 0-80mph, ebraking and sound was again there.
rolling home thinking about why they are lose again.
....at home checking the nuts..but they were tighten rock solid. "this time"...it was something other:


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yep...on the right side dropouts are "slightly" bend.
What should i do now?....emailed NYX for ideas. But abit as expected. no Answer till now.

as it is aluminium its not a good idea to (over)bend it back to "normal".
i tried a really small and short pipe wrench and was surprised how easy i "could" bend this 6x12mm end of dropouts.
i only need a single hand to bend it...wow...what a fantastic piece of art.

this complete swingarm is not for that power levels. it flexes side to side like a cows tail with very less effort. i could make a video if someone is interessted.
if you hammer the throttle from a dead stop. be carefull with 10kw+ Power levels.

i like drag racing. so its probably my mistake doing full power runs from a dead stop with this frame.
but to be honest i wasnt afraid of dropout failures because doc bass pushed always the limits and still running nyx bikes.
Luke also build an nyx with a bigger 273 motor.

anyway. For others who wants to protect the possibilty of a bend dropout....heres my solution.



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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by brumbrum » Apr 10 2018 3:09pm

That's a nice bit of bodging. What size bolts did you use?
I have a new issue. I replaced the snapped suspension bolts today, but now there is a huge amount of play on the swingarm shoulders due to worn POM bushings. This is my second set of bushings. I just looked up my old emails to NYX and i had replaced the bushings exactly one year ago. So this will soon to be my 3rd set. I only use my bike for off road use which is once a week at most. I dont mind paying for new bushings at $15 dollars each but paying $45 for postage takes the p-ss! They only weigh a couple of grams :cry:
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Re: Qulbix 165/140 Raptor /NYX Carbon - Sabvoton/Adaptto - 20s/22s Build #5

Post by Merlin » Apr 10 2018 3:22pm

M4 bolts. No more room for bigger bolts.
But when you tighten then even M2 should do the job. Its so easy to bend this part.

took another run now. looks and "sounds" good for now. Feels "stiff" again. Time will show.

About your problem.

When you put the swingarm on without motor and no rear shock. can you move the swingarm easy with your hands?

edit: ill ask because of "this" (pic below)
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Post by brumbrum » Apr 10 2018 3:58pm

When you say 'can i move it' do you mean side to side or just up and down like they should do. My first set of bushings were really tight and stiff, in fact they actually stopped the suspension freely working. The second pair were a lot looser but i dont think they could be positioned like the one in your picture. Do you get any side to side movement being transfered from the swingarm shoulders to the wheel?
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Post by Merlin » Apr 10 2018 5:28pm

ill fixed it with washers.
in "this position" i had 150mm dropout space + no play in any direction + all bolts tightend i could move the swingarm on the bushings easy.(without wheel or rear shock mounted)

i think that should be the normal state and not fixed by a customer.

but atm i have only around 1000km on it. lets see how it is after 5000km or more.
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Post by markz » Apr 10 2018 5:32pm

Lookin' good Merlin
Snazzy dropouts

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