Arizona Electric Bicycle Law changes (2017)

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Re: Arizona Electric Bicycle Law changes (2017)

Post by billvon » Jan 11, 2018 10:16 pm

wturber wrote:
Jan 11, 2018 1:11 pm
Yep. I'd buy or make a sticker that says 750W , put it on the motor, and point to it if questioned. Cops aren't going to test for wattage. That's one reason that having such technical requirements are bad law. They are impractical to enforce.
Not if it becomes an issue; it's simplicity itself. The law changes a bit to require no more than 750 watts, and it holds the manufacturer responsible for ensuring that their bikes cannot exceed 750 watts. Then they require testing and registration of all ebikes, with periodic inspections to ensure no tampering. (Similar to how old emissions laws were enforced.) If you ride an unregistered ebike you go to jail.

It would, of course, behoove everyone to not let it get to that point.
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Re: Arizona Electric Bicycle Law changes (2017)

Post by markz » Jan 12, 2018 12:05 am

billvon wrote:
Jan 11, 2018 10:16 pm
If you ride an unregistered ebike you go to jail.
Jail - Yeah right! frock that!

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Re: Arizona Electric Bicycle Law changes (2017)

Post by wturber » Jan 12, 2018 12:16 am

billvon wrote:
Jan 11, 2018 10:16 pm
wturber wrote:
Jan 11, 2018 1:11 pm
Yep. I'd buy or make a sticker that says 750W , put it on the motor, and point to it if questioned. Cops aren't going to test for wattage. That's one reason that having such technical requirements are bad law. They are impractical to enforce.
Not if it becomes an issue; it's simplicity itself. The law changes a bit to require no more than 750 watts, and it holds the manufacturer responsible for ensuring that their bikes cannot exceed 750 watts. Then they require testing and registration of all ebikes, with periodic inspections to ensure no tampering. (Similar to how old emissions laws were enforced.) If you ride an unregistered ebike you go to jail.

It would, of course, behoove everyone to not let it get to that point.
Right. Which is why I'd like to advocate sensible and practical e-bike laws. That should help it not become an issue.
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Re: Arizona Electric Bicycle Law changes (2017)

Post by billvon » Jan 12, 2018 12:23 am

wturber wrote:
Jan 12, 2018 12:16 am
Right. Which is why I'd like to advocate sensible and practical e-bike laws. That should help it not become an issue.
Definitely.

The biggest threat to easy-to-use ebikes are people like the delivery ebike riders in Manhattan. They are under time pressure for deliveries, and thus you see them doing 30mph the wrong way down one-way streets, almost hitting pedestrians, dodging cops, cutting off cars etc. They are not the majority of ebikers, but they are the most visible; last time I was in NY they made up the majority of ebikers I saw (which is not the same as the total number of ebikers.)

This isn't entirely their fault. They are under pressure to perform; if they don't, then the job goes to someone who _is_ willing to do 30mph down a one way street the wrong way. Sensible (and evenly enforced) laws can help reduce their incentives to do that.
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