Buk___ wrote: ↑
Dec 24 2017 4:19am
Chalo wrote: ↑
Dec 24 2017 4:14am
If he can keep the price under USD 1000, everyone who buys one will have a steaming turd on his hands.
What would be the minimum price you'd accept to not be a steaming turd, and what components would it have?
I don't know. I know the minimum wholesale price bike shops pay for bikes that I'd trust to electrify is about $350. No suspension, rim brakes. Since Sondors's model is direct to consumer, we can compare his retail price to a bike shop's wholesale cost.
The wholesale cost for an entry level bike set up like the one in the photo, with dual suspension and disc brakes, which meets the criterion of having robust enough components to deal with motor power and higher than normal speeds, is about $850. That's a totally generic frame made from tubing, so it's cheaper than the custom cradle and proprietary gearbox frame in the picture.
Let's say for the sake of argument that the special frame only adds $50 more in a direct to consumer sale (which seems doubtful). So that's $900 for a complete bike in a box, with no motor, battery, reduction gearing, or electronics.
Many if not most of us get electric kits at direct to consumer prices, so we're familiar which how much that stuff costs. Decide for yourself what the electric kit on that bike should cost if you buy it as components from a Chinese seller. Add it to $900. That's how little I think the bike could cost and possibly not be a waste of everybody's time and money.
I'm thinking it would be remarkable to do it for under $2000. By which point all the mouth breathers are yelling, "but yuh could buy a car
fer that much!" And right there, you lost much of the target market.