It seems like he's bought into the "all aluminum frame bikes will eventually break myth." While technically, this is true, what the myth leaves out is that "eventually" is very likely well beyond your personal life expectancy given a quality bike frame from a reputable maker.
I think that sorta misses the core cause of the myth. That myth centers around the fact that unlike steel, aluminum has no fatigue limit. So the (misplaced) concern is that the aluminum bike is going to fall apart unexpectedly at some point given the lack of said fatigue limit.
So... you want a motorcycle. There's a simple solution for that.Philaphlous wrote: ↑Aug 14, 2018 7:45 am1) I wish I had more umph... My controller is shunted for around 29amps which gets me about 1500w to the wheel...im wishing for 2k+ because most of my commute is constant stop and go via stop signs and traffic lights...I'd like to accelerate faster than cars...
2) I wish I had a full suspension bike.
If history is an indication, then regulations will catch up and become more restrictive. Keep in mind that mopeds have typically been limited to 25-30 mph top speeds, require registration, and aren't allowed to use bike lanes. It seems like our electric power puts us in a favorable light where enough people are willing to give us greater leeway than mopeds get even though we are operating at similar speeds. But how far do we really think that can go?
The suspension and brakes aren't the point at all from where I sit. The point is the speed. Of course it is a fuzzy line where we cross over from being more like a bicycle to being more like a motorcycle. But for me, shooting to out accelerate the typical passenger commuter at a stop light pushes you over that line - regardless of the good reasons a person might have for wanting to do that. Low powered motorcycles and scooters have been around for a long time. And they don't typically (ever?) receive "bicycle" status.
And to be more precise, it reverted back to what it had been for ... well ... pretty much forever.
That one's more complicated, but it was a tiny part of a trend and change that had been going on for about a century or more.
Again. A change that was part of a clear trend. The public largely agreed as far back as the '80s. Also all of the changes above had either a clear majority or a very large minority backing them.
That's a pretty simplistic description IMO. But let's say you are right. I see no such mass dissatisfaction with the automobile looming on the horizon. At best we have a subtle shifting in priorities and preferences. That's why I don't think rapid change is likely. Slow niche change seems more likely. What is it now, just 10 states embrace the new e-bike class system?
Right. So you then are agreeing then that 35+ is more motorcycle-like - which is pretty much what Chalo said and I only hinted at.
All rather beside the point. The point was simply that what the OP is looking for is essentially a low powered motorcycle. And that's fine. Most states are going to ask you to register and insure that and get a license to operate it. Is that unreasonable?Voltron wrote: ↑Aug 14, 2018 10:49 pmAnd I'm enough of an American, that in the interests of life, liberty from slavery from the oil companies, and the pursuit of happiness, using good judgment as a conscientious adult to evaluate the negative effects on bystanders, I'm going to do battle with those pollution spewing machines on a daily basis, without a single guilty thought.
I'm in 100% agreement with you that the rules limiting wattage make little sense. IMO, speed and perhaps weight regulations are pretty sufficient for determining vehicle classes. They cite car drivers for speeding, not for excessive horsepower capability. E-bikers should expect similar treatment when they significantly exceed the speed laws. For instance, I shouldn't be surprised if a cop pulls me over on my e-bike for doing 35 mph without pedaling (assuming I'm not going down a steep hill) and tells me I'm operating illegally without proper license, insurance and registration ... for a motorcycle.Voltron wrote: ↑Aug 14, 2018 10:49 pmAnd again, when nearly every single car and motorcycle in America can do twice the legal speed limit anywhere in the country, as soon as they pass legislation to limit cars to 60 hp, gear limited to 65mph at max redline, with remote control speed limits in slow speed areas, then I'll start slowing down too
Early cyclists had to struggle to assert their rights to the roads among dangerous, barely controllable animal-drawn carts and the human jackasses who accused bikes of spooking their animals and endangering peds (which was actually what the animal carts were doing). There were some pretty stupid speed and access restrictions on bicycles early on. It only became a critical issue in the 1880s as cycle became much more popular and common.