Need Some Way Of Carrying 2 Small Kids Safely.

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Need Some Way Of Carrying 2 Small Kids Safely.

Post by o00scorpion00o » Feb 07 2019 11:12pm

I'm seeking a way to carry a 3 and 4.5 year old boys on my bike but I do not have cycle lanes and my roads where I live are very narrow country lanes where you have to pull in and stop if you meet another car and I really don't see any safe way of carrying them.

I've been off the bike for around 4 years since my 2nd Son was born so time just wasn't there but now they're older I want to be able to take them on rides and I need to get fit again, shift work is killing me slowly lol.

I would love to buy one of the cargo kid carrier bikes where they sit in the middle but the cost is prohibitive.

I'm open to ideas.

Look at google maps street view and this is close to my house to give an idea of what I have to ride on, cars drive way too fast on these roads over here.

https://www.google.com/maps/@52.8707822 ... 312!8i6656
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Post by amberwolf » Feb 08 2019 2:58am

If the roads themselves are dangerous, then there isn't anything I could recommend that would make carrying small kids safe.

Having ridden on country roads like those when I lived in Texas as a kid, I sympathize. (crashed a lot from avoiding cars and stuff)

The closest I could say would be a big 2-kid trailer, and make it bright dayglo colors, along with your bike and all of your clothing for daytime use. Add big dayglo flags that stick up high, as well; make them long so they flap a lot and grab attention.

Make sure you have good mirrors and always watch them. Teach the kids to always watch, and yell for you if they see a vehicle.

For nighttime use, lots of bright color-changing light strips and light poles like you'd use on ATVs and stuff. (or see DDK's solar trike thread for the lights he uses).

I'd prefer a trailer vs antyhing mounted on the bike simply because at least if you have to ditch, or skid out, then if they fall off the bike (or with it if they're belted on), they could get some serious hurts. The trailer is more likely to stay level in that instance, with their weight in it and being wider and low to the ground to start with, with the side-by-side wheel configuration, as long as it's using a free-to-rotate hitch (like the spring/elastomer ones that are common on these trailers).

I can't think of much of anything specific besides those to help.

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Post by o00scorpion00o » Feb 08 2019 4:24am

Thanks amberwolf, you sure clocked up a lot of posts since I was last here ! :shock:

I've thought about the bike trailer but the problem is that people drive way too fast and don't think what could be around the next bend and really they would be on top of you before they could see you.

I love when I go to Germany, the cycle lanes and forest trails are a dream, could take the Kids out for many many miles could even take a trip over a couple of days. A lot of tourists go there to cycle.
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Post by grindz145 » Feb 08 2019 3:45pm

Maybe a bakfiets of some sort, either trike or two wheeler where you can keep an eye on the kiddos. I woudn't expect to go too quickly on them though. This is something I've been soul searching about lately too, trying to find a reasonable, higher-speed ebike for kid carrying.

Also a longtail, like an Xtracycle could work too, the weight is higher, but forks provide a little more positive feedback than those big lever-actuated fork gizmos on bakfiets

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Post by o00scorpion00o » Feb 08 2019 3:52pm

I've been thinking about a dedicated cargo style like this would be perfect but the cost is far too expensive.

https://www.greenaer.ie/product/urban-arrow-cargo-bike/

The Bosch performance CX no doubt would be a couple of hundred more expensive.

This is probably my favorite https://www.greenaer.ie/product/tern-gsd-s10-7/

Wow the cost, it's just crazy. Why do these things cost so much ? +we pay 23% sales tax on everything here called VAT.
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Post by billvon » Feb 08 2019 7:16pm

o00scorpion00o wrote:
Feb 07 2019 11:12pm
I've been off the bike for around 4 years since my 2nd Son was born so time just wasn't there but now they're older I want to be able to take them on rides and I need to get fit again, shift work is killing me slowly lol.
Best trailers I have found for two kids -

Weehoo Two tandem trailer (recumbent w/pedals) https://www.rei.com/product/887902/weeh ... ke-trailer

Trail-a-bike folding tandem trailer https://www.monsterscooterparts.com/tra ... ailer.html
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Post by E-HP » Feb 08 2019 9:12pm

o00scorpion00o wrote:roads where I live are very narrow country lanes where you have to pull in and stop if you meet another car and I really don't see any safe way of carrying them.
A lot of times parents have to go with their instincts. If something goes wrong, it may be difficult to deal with the fact that your initial instincts told you that it wasn’t safe.


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Post by o00scorpion00o » Feb 08 2019 10:05pm

billvon wrote:
Feb 08 2019 7:16pm
o00scorpion00o wrote:
Feb 07 2019 11:12pm
I've been off the bike for around 4 years since my 2nd Son was born so time just wasn't there but now they're older I want to be able to take them on rides and I need to get fit again, shift work is killing me slowly lol.
Best trailers I have found for two kids -

Weehoo Two tandem trailer (recumbent w/pedals) https://www.rei.com/product/887902/weeh ... ke-trailer

Trail-a-bike folding tandem trailer https://www.monsterscooterparts.com/tra ... ailer.html
Thanks, I like the Weehoo TWO Bike Trailer, that's pretty cool but it still would not be safe on my local roads and passing traffic would be quite close, too close for comfort.

Sure on wider roads with shoulder it would be ok but I have to get to them first and don't fancy riding on main roads with lots of traffic all the time.
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Post by o00scorpion00o » Feb 08 2019 10:12pm

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Feb 08 2019 9:12pm
o00scorpion00o wrote:roads where I live are very narrow country lanes where you have to pull in and stop if you meet another car and I really don't see any safe way of carrying them.
A lot of times parents have to go with their instincts. If something goes wrong, it may be difficult to deal with the fact that your initial instincts told you that it wasn’t safe.


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Indeed you're correct, I think the real issue is the speed people drive on these roads, believe it or not that road I have linked to above has a speed limit of 50 mph and I only drive at 30 and less but a lot of people drive around 40+ The speed limits are messed up and the cops and speed vans only monitor the motorways and main roads where you can easily do 10-20 over the limit. They don't monitor speed in built up areas or at schools only where they can collect the most revenue.
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Post by billvon » Feb 08 2019 10:33pm

o00scorpion00o wrote:
Feb 08 2019 10:05pm
Thanks, I like the Weehoo TWO Bike Trailer, that's pretty cool but it still would not be safe on my local roads and passing traffic would be quite close, too close for comfort.
Then no bike will be safe. If you get hit, there's no bike design in the world that will protect your kids.
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Post by E-HP » Feb 12 2019 12:21am

I saw this 2017 model on the local Craigslist, selling for $1900, and remembered this thread.

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Post by o00scorpion00o » Feb 12 2019 8:32am

Is that in the U.S ? I probably wouldn't find one too easy here.
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Post by 2old » Feb 12 2019 10:45am

There are probably economically feasible solutions for your application, but riding with children under those conditions is untenable for me. I wouldn't begin to consider it unless you could ride off road where there was no danger.

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Post by wineboyrider » Feb 12 2019 11:42am

Trailabike. Perfect for one kid.
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Post by speedyebikenoob » Feb 12 2019 11:46am

50 mph on that road?! What?! Usually I'm all for higher speed limits, like the 65 mph speed limits here in Cali are ridiculous, but that road should be like half of that. Something like this might work for you: https://bunchbike.com/products/family-c ... N-EALw_wcB I believe they sell a two wheeler too if you don't want a trike. I suggest adding a motorcycle horn though and honking around each blind corner whichever way you go though, that road seems pretty dangerous.

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Post by o00scorpion00o » Feb 12 2019 12:08pm

2old wrote:
Feb 12 2019 10:45am
There are probably economically feasible solutions for your application, but riding with children under those conditions is untenable for me. I wouldn't begin to consider it unless you could ride off road where there was no danger.
Ireland caters for cars mostly, public transport is an embarrassment and cycle lanes consist mainly of bus lanes shared with taxis.

Very very slowly are things changing but at snails pace.

Paved cycle lanes off road ? I don't think such trails exist at least no where near me.
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Post by o00scorpion00o » Feb 12 2019 1:46pm

speedyebikenoob wrote:
Feb 12 2019 11:46am
50 mph on that road?! What?! Usually I'm all for higher speed limits, like the 65 mph speed limits here in Cali are ridiculous, but that road should be like half of that. Something like this might work for you: https://bunchbike.com/products/family-c ... N-EALw_wcB I believe they sell a two wheeler too if you don't want a trike. I suggest adding a motorcycle horn though and honking around each blind corner whichever way you go though, that road seems pretty dangerous.
Those cargo bikes would be a bit awkward, but getting one here with electric motor would cost a lot more.

yes , see the pic below as proof ! :mrgreen: You think that's bad, a couple of years ago these roads were 100 Km/h !

And traffic does rally these roads, they are not busy but when cars come they fly and you have to jump the hammer the brakes and jump the ditch, personally all I feel safe at is 50-55 Km/h max. Most people don't do 50 but they still drive too fast.

This brings me to my earlier rant about cops only being on the Motorways catching people doing 10 over the limit on a good road, speaking of speed limits, we got a lot of 3 lane roads with a 100 Km/h limit which makes the speed limit in the below pic even more ridiculous.


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Post by speedyebikenoob » Feb 12 2019 2:47pm

o00scorpion00o wrote:
Feb 12 2019 1:46pm
speedyebikenoob wrote:
Feb 12 2019 11:46am
50 mph on that road?! What?! Usually I'm all for higher speed limits, like the 65 mph speed limits here in Cali are ridiculous, but that road should be like half of that. Something like this might work for you: https://bunchbike.com/products/family-c ... N-EALw_wcB I believe they sell a two wheeler too if you don't want a trike. I suggest adding a motorcycle horn though and honking around each blind corner whichever way you go though, that road seems pretty dangerous.
Those cargo bikes would be a bit awkward, but getting one here with electric motor would cost a lot more.

yes , see the pic below as proof ! :mrgreen: You think that's bad, a couple of years ago these roads were 100 Km/h !

And traffic does rally these roads, they are not busy but when cars come they fly and you have to jump the hammer the brakes and jump the ditch, personally all I feel safe at is 50-55 Km/h max. Most people don't do 50 but they still drive too fast.

This brings me to my earlier rant about cops only being on the Motorways catching people doing 10 over the limit on a good road, speaking of speed limits, we got a lot of 3 lane roads with a 100 Km/h limit which makes the speed limit in the below pic even more ridiculous.


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Maybe you could modify a cargo bike to fit two seats at the back, like one of the long ones that can carry that much weight. Wow, 10 over is a very low tolerance. Here, they wouldn't pull you over unless you drive over 80 in a 65, and on a lot of roads people push even more than that. Not sure how it works over there but here you gotta be careful at the end of the month because the cops want to finish up their quotas. :(

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Post by o00scorpion00o » Feb 12 2019 3:36pm

speedyebikenoob wrote:
Feb 12 2019 2:47pm

Maybe you could modify a cargo bike to fit two seats at the back, like one of the long ones that can carry that much weight. Wow, 10 over is a very low tolerance. Here, they wouldn't pull you over unless you drive over 80 in a 65, and on a lot of roads people push even more than that. Not sure how it works over there but here you gotta be careful at the end of the month because the cops want to finish up their quotas. :(
Yep end of the month quotas here too lol.

Depends on the cop whether he / she pulls you at 10 over or not and that's 10 km/h over lol. I suspect most wouldn't bother with the paperwork at 10 over.

I don't have the means to convert any bike unfortunately. I need to get a decent shed built. :D
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Post by speedyebikenoob » Feb 13 2019 12:31pm

o00scorpion00o wrote:
Feb 12 2019 3:36pm
speedyebikenoob wrote:
Feb 12 2019 2:47pm

Maybe you could modify a cargo bike to fit two seats at the back, like one of the long ones that can carry that much weight. Wow, 10 over is a very low tolerance. Here, they wouldn't pull you over unless you drive over 80 in a 65, and on a lot of roads people push even more than that. Not sure how it works over there but here you gotta be careful at the end of the month because the cops want to finish up their quotas. :(
Yep end of the month quotas here too lol.

Depends on the cop whether he / she pulls you at 10 over or not and that's 10 km/h over lol. I suspect most wouldn't bother with the paperwork at 10 over.

I don't have the means to convert any bike unfortunately. I need to get a decent shed built. :D
Shouldn't be too hard though, you would just have to screw in the seats and add a harness maybe, but if you're uncomfortable with that it's probably better to go with something that's prebuilt.

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