Help whit Gazelle BMS

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s3v3n   10 µW

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Help whit Gazelle BMS

Post by s3v3n » Mar 24 2019 6:04am

Hello, guy.
Anyone can help me?
I have Gazelle e-bike like photos.
The BMS is not working, i want change for normal one but i see that blue wire :shock: what should i do whit that one? Why is there ?
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Re: Help whit Gazelle BMS

Post by d8veh » Mar 24 2019 9:48am

There's a fair probability that that battery uses some sort of communication with the controller, and/or it has remote switching. If you're re-celling the battery, it's best to use the original BMS and wire it the same as it was.

tell us what you're trying to do so that it's easier for us to give you any advice you need.

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Re: Help whit Gazelle BMS

Post by s3v3n » Mar 24 2019 10:24am

I was thinking the same, but is no BMS clone of that one in market. 99% is dead battery :x

I need to repair is for my e-bike all cells are excellent +2000mah. New cost around 600.00 euro :oops:

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Re: Help whit Gazelle BMS

Post by fechter » Mar 24 2019 10:29am

What is the thing the blue wire goes to? I only see the back side in the picture. Many BMS have a separate wire for charging.
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Re: Help whit Gazelle BMS

Post by s3v3n » Mar 24 2019 2:35pm

fechter wrote:
Mar 24 2019 10:29am
What is the thing the blue wire goes to? I only see the back side in the picture. Many BMS have a separate wire for charging.
Is the Discharge to bike.

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Re: Help whit Gazelle BMS

Post by fechter » Mar 25 2019 9:10am

Hard to say without some testing, but the blue wire may be sending data to a battery meter on the bike. With a replacement BMS, you would lose this feature. My A2B had something similar. I use a separate battery meter now.
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Re: Help whit Gazelle BMS

Post by docw009 » Mar 25 2019 1:54pm

I'm not seeing any BMS here. Looks like the last picture shows that you unsoldered the red/black wire from the battery which goes to the rear of the pack, where you probably have a tail light, a charge port, and maybe an on/off switch?

Based on batteries I own, there ought to be at least four wires between the rear part and the cells.
(1) Battery power (2) ground (3) charger ground (4) battery ON. You're only showing the red/black which are the first two.

That would suggest the BMS doesn't use an on/off and the cells are always on. The blue wire could be the on/off circuit to the controller to turn it on. If that's true, this design always gives you live power at the plug. Seems unsafe. Now if there's more wires you didn't show coming from the rear piece that goes to the battery, then I am wrong here.

Also if there are only two wires going to the cells, the pack would have to charge and discharge thru those two wires. It can be done, but it would complicate your selection of a BMS. Many have separate return wires for the power and the charge connectors,

Anyway, these pictures have not have not unveiled the BMS and do not give the viewer a clear idea on how this pack is connected.

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Re: Help whit Gazelle BMS

Post by Chalo » Mar 25 2019 4:03pm

Based on the numbers of wires, it looks like the BMS is in the other end of the case.

Every BMS I've ever worked with had a separate light gauge sense/balance wire to each cell group.
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Re: Help whit Gazelle BMS

Post by obcd » Jul 16 2019 4:03pm

This threat is old but I nevertheless wanted to add some information.

The blue wire from the BMS board (embedded in some black resin on the newer battery models) is the communication signal between the BMS board and the controller that is embedded in the front motor. I assume it's used to report the battery level to the controller and display. It likely also tells the BMS board to turn the backlight on when the lights are turned on using the controller button. There is a small 13 pins connector going from the batteries to the BMS board that is used to balance the cells during charging. Without the proper communication on the blue wire, the system will likely show some sort of battery error and will refuse to give assistance.

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