Mystery 18-FET controller

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Mystery 18-FET controller

Postby alpine44 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:41 am

Does anybody recognize this controller?

I am trying to figure out the purpose of the connection wires. DC power, phases, halls, throttle, and self-learning are obvious but who knows what the rest is for.

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BTW: How do I make the pictures visible in the text? FIXED: Pictures need to be smaller than 800 pixels on largest edge
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Re: Mystery 18-FET controller

Postby cal3thousand » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:59 am

What are the colors/connectors/thickness of the other lines?

You need to hit the place inline button such that this shows up in your text: "[attachment] yourfilename [\attachment]"
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Re: Mystery 18-FET controller

Postby alpine44 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:18 pm

cal3thousand wrote:What are the colors/connectors/thickness of the other lines?

You need to hit the place inline button such that this shows up in your text: "[attachment] yourfilename [\attachment]"


The colors of the other wires do not match anything I found online from various vendors. I will take a photo when I am back home.

Re: embedded images
I hit the place inline button and have the [attachment] tags but pics do not show until you click the link.
I also tried surrounding the file name with the [img] tags but still no joy.
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Re: Mystery 18-FET controller

Postby alpine44 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:05 am

I hooked this controller up to several motors and deciphered some of the feature wires.
See attached picture.

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This controller performs surprisingly well in the sensorless mode (after using the self-learning feature). It managed to start an Invacare GB wheelchair motor against the built-in disk-brake. The brake was partially set to a level that did not allow me to turn the rotor with both hands without using a lever, etc. Nevertheless, the controller got the motor turning in the right direction.
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Re: Mystery 18-FET controller

Postby alpine44 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:28 am

Here is a picture of the label on the controller.
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Despite the label saying something about 48V, the controller worked up to 60V (as far as my lab supply could go). It cuts out somewhere around 40 Volt on the low side.


BTW: Embedded images are still hit and miss as you can see at this post versus the previous one. Both are using the [attachment] tag. What am I missing? FIXED: Pictures need to be 800 pixels max on largest edge.
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Re: Mystery 18-FET controller

Postby Voltron » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:39 am

To show up, pics are limited to 800 pixels along each edge or something like that.


Like this :)

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Re: Mystery 18-FET controller

Postby alpine44 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:12 am

Thanks. That explains why some pictures worked and others not. I only paid attention to the overall file size.
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Re: Mystery 18-FET controller

Postby Voltron » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:47 am

Yes... I found a resizer that lets you set a default max edge size that made it easier...
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Re: Mystery 18-FET controller

Postby RLT » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:46 pm

Have you figured out any more tricks to make this work?

Here is the connection diagram supplied by the seller:

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I just got the 48-72V version and the normal way of connecting things just don't seem to work. Have swapped all the hall and phase wires and throttle wires around, but all I get is a blinking 5v LED on the e-bike tester. Maybe the burglar alarm or the door lock or the burglar alarm wires need to be shorted together?

Plus, the 16 ga battery and phase wires are way too wimpy for a nominal 1500 watt 18 FET 50A rated controller.
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Re: Mystery 18-FET controller

Postby RLT » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:45 pm

Update.

That's interesting... It still doesn't work with the ebike tester, but works fine on a motor. I hooked it up to an old Crystalite 408 motor, and it worked fine.. Didn't even have to mix and match hall and phase connectors even without using the self learn function. Color to color.

After hours of searching I did find a review on Amazon that said you have to hook the thin red and black wires (On the far right red connector in Alpine's photo above) (and the 'burglary power' connector in the chart I posted), to the corresponding + and - battery lines, and I tried that, but it is not correct. After getting the controller & motor working, I unplugged them, and it still worked fine. What they do is CARRY full battery voltage, so beware.

The self learn function is interesting and could be dangerous if your wheel is on the ground. Power down, and hook up the white wires, then turn power back on, and immediately the motor spins up to full speed. Twist the controller half way, and the motor stops. Twist to Wide Open Throttle, and the motor goes into reverse, full speed (Reverse 'full' speed is not really full speed, but limited in controller to about 1/3 or 1/2 of what full forward speedis.)

I also unplugged the halls after this, and the motor runs sensorless. I haven't tried to see how the startup torque is sensorless, but it is nice that you could probably make it back home if your motor halls go kaput.
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