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Crystalyte TC3080 Pictures

Post by Allex » Feb 21 2016 8:25am

Got this motor From Rix, a beutiful motor, the build quality is really good, on of the best I've seen.
The stator and magnets are protected from rust with the red varnish, the windings are varnish protected as well! The bearings are rubber sealed NSKs
Phase wires are really beefy
To bad it has 0,5mm Laminations

I will later try this motor with Adaptto controller.

The cabling is very well protected
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Nice screws!
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Phase wires are really beefy and have xt150 bullet connectors
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The stator and magnets are protected from rust with the red varnish, the windings are varnish protected as well!
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The bearings are rubber sealed NSKs
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Lots of copper
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Re: Crystalyte TC3080 Pictures

Post by madin88 » Feb 21 2016 10:09am

nice to see some pics of TC motors internals. thanks for sharing^^
I wonder if these crown motors really work with Adaptto controllers, because i remember about messages from Adaptto where they do not recommend to use them..
At least the stator design with it's 46 magnets and 51 teeth is the same as on other 205mm motors, so there is a good chance that it works well.

Allex, what turn count is it? and if you still have it open, could you count the parallel strands and measure the diameter of a single strand? :)
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Re: Crystalyte TC3080 Pictures

Post by Rix » Feb 21 2016 12:57pm

It would appear that Crystalyte did everything I asked them to these motors and then some. My TC4080 doesn't have any varnish on the lams or magnets which these do. I am glad you like the motor. I got one TC3080 left I will let go for $485+shipping if you know of anyone. Emmett and I are going to run the TC3065s on our respective Fighters. I have no idea what these motors KV rating is, but my thinking is they won't be much lower than the H4080 because of the narrower stator will offset the increased Turn wind factor.

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Post by Allex » Feb 22 2016 10:48am

Aah, I knew that more questions would come along so I have it still opened.
Yeah, no idea on the turn count. The strand appears to be 0,6mm, it also looks a bit thicker compared to MXUS
I counted to 13 strands. The question is whether the deeper teeth really do wonders for the power output or does this only make the motor it heavy?
Again, really nice work at the factory cables are very well protected winding job is great you can see that they put a lot of work in each motor, not the case with MXUS :)
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Here is the info about bearings Rick:
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Stator weight:
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Re: Crystalyte TC3080 Pictures

Post by Rix » Feb 22 2016 11:07am

Thanks Allex, I figured the bearings were at least as big as the 54xx, and turns out, one is the same size and the other is bigger. A 6006, that's got be a 26 or 27mm Diameter axle on that side. Big to say the least.

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Post by madin88 » Feb 22 2016 11:24am

Allex wrote: Yeah, no idea on the turn count. The strand appears to be 0,6mm, it also looks a bit thicker compared to MXUS
I counted to 13 strands. The question is whether the deeper teeth really do wonders for the power output or does this only make the motor it heavy?
could be a 5T than and TCxx100 motors probably 4T, but thats only a guess..
deeper teeth means more space for copper. more copper means a "stiffer motor" (less drop in RPM under load) and less heat generation at given amps.
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Re: Crystalyte TC3080 Pictures

Post by Allex » Feb 22 2016 11:28am

TC30xx where xx stand for the speed at 72V am I correct Rix?
In this case it could be:

30100 3T
3080 4T
3065 5T
?

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Re: Crystalyte TC3080 Pictures

Post by Rix » Feb 22 2016 11:42am

Allex wrote:TC30xx where xx stand for the speed at 72V am I correct Rix?
In this case it could be:

30100 3T
3080 4T
3065 5T
?
That is correct, and I agree the turn counts you listed are also correct. I would really like to know what the KV rating is, I know they will be slightly higher than the TC40xx because the stator is narrower, I just don't know by how much.
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Re: Crystalyte TC3080 Pictures

Post by madin88 » Feb 23 2016 3:46pm

In ebikes.ca shop the kV values of TC motors are listed under specification chart. phase to phase resistance as well 8)

Guys, it looks like Crystalyte has improved TC motors - at least it's a fact they have lowered the weight as your version Allex has a different, weight improved rotor^^

check the description of this TC motor on ebay from HPC. i know HPC often write things pulled out of thin air :) , but hopefully a few things are true..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-HPC-Cryst ... 1161301492

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Re: Crystalyte TC3080 Pictures

Post by madin88 » Mar 04 2016 1:17pm

Allex, have you hooked it up to an Adaptto?
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Post by Allex » Mar 04 2016 1:38pm

Nope, dont have a frame, waiting for Beta but Hyena is so slow!
Andreym says that it should work(but I need to confirm this), even with deep stator tooths. It is angled stator teeths adaptto have problems with. Anybody know if the Crown(big one) have angled stator just like 5403?
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Post by madin88 » Mar 05 2016 3:38am

From what i know TC40 motors should have straight teeth, but there had been problems like Infineon could not spin them above a given RPM and they did not like voltage above 72V or something like that. That was the reason why i picked a cromotor these days.
Aside from the deeper teeth, thay have exactly the same design as Cromotor or MXUS, so i see no reason why adaptto would not work well with these.
what type of hall sensors does yours have? maybe the known problems have something to do with them..
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Post by Allex » Mar 05 2016 4:38am

A ment the big one here:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 31&t=48207

Adaptto have one of theese and they could not get it to run properly.

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Post by madin88 » Mar 05 2016 4:58am

Allex wrote:A ment the big one here:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 31&t=48207
yes it has no angled stator.
cromotor (QS V2 export) also has a bit deeper stator teeth (compared to mxus for instance) and it's known to work very well with adaptto. thats why i just can't understand why they should not run properly with such controllers or why deeper teeth generally should have an effect of compatibilty of a motor.

what about the fact that these Crown motors even did not run properly with infineon?
maybe there is something wrong with the halls, but thats only a guess..
has adaptto already tried the newer, 2016 version?
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Post by Allex » Mar 05 2016 5:19am

Dont think they have that version
This incompability could be a combination of things like magnet width, teeth lenght and teeth dept. That what they said anyway.
I will try to get one of those mark II sine wave controllers to compare but it looks like they have lag on throttle input, there is always something!

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Re: Crystalyte TC3080 Pictures

Post by Rix » Mar 05 2016 8:57pm

madin88 wrote:
Allex wrote:A ment the big one here:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 31&t=48207
yes it has no angled stator.
cromotor (QS V2 export) also has a bit deeper stator teeth (compared to mxus for instance) and it's known to work very well with adaptto. thats why i just can't understand why they should not run properly with such controllers or why deeper teeth generally should have an effect of compatibilty of a motor.

what about the fact that these Crown motors even did not run properly with infineon?
maybe there is something wrong with the halls, but thats only a guess..
has adaptto already tried the newer, 2016 version?
I have tested both TC30xx and TC40xx on my Bomber and they run fine. Could the problem be with non Crystalyite controllers and be a programming issue?

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Post by andrmorr » Mar 23 2016 11:34am

It happens that I have a new TC3080 waiting to be the start of a new build...I'm currently running a 52v x17ah Clyte and wanted to build a 2nd setup that's a bit stronger since the TC can handle 5500w...

I'm not very tech savvy on Ebike stuff yet so any suggestions (by those who know ALOT more than I do) on what controllers WILL work with it would be greatly appreciated...I was hoping to get an Adappto but from what you guys have said, it's not looking good. Thanks a million for the insight...

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Post by Allex » Mar 23 2016 11:46am

I will get back with a report on how it works with adaptto and another sine.wave controller (Mark II)
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Post by andrmorr » Mar 28 2016 3:19pm

For info purposes I talked to Kenny from C-lyte and he said the C-lyte 72v 60a controller is what the motor needed...how does his C-lyte controller compare to the controllers your testing?

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Post by Allex » Mar 28 2016 4:20pm

clyte controller is just a regular Xie-Chang based controller it is the most popular square wave controller used all over the world. But the design is like 10years old. The main difference is that my controllers will be sine-wave.

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Post by andrmorr » Mar 29 2016 11:03am

Your sinewave version sounds like what I need then, just will it work with the TC series motors :?: ...gonna go get some popcorn and anxiously await the results of your testing...thanks for the help...

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Post by Allex » Apr 05 2016 8:32am

Patience my little friend, still waiting on some parts for the frame, hopefully next week!

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Re: Crystalyte TC3080 Pictures

Post by Rix » Apr 05 2016 10:34am

andrmorr wrote:Image
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