12 x 4110 MOSFET Extreme Modder Controller LYEN Edition $129

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Re: 12 x 4110 MOSFET Extreme Modder Controller LYEN Edition

Post by xmasta » Aug 02 2015 9:35am

Good news everyone, got it figured out!

So i found one chinese controller diagram and this with observations led me to believe that replaced transistor was not NPN but PNP, but as smd version needs ordering and delays and it's sunday.. so i got the through hole version.

Q3 transistors are, or can be replaced by SS8550 if anyone looks for the information. Because I wrong one, npn - thats why it leaked voltage and went hot - this also caused a lot more load on voltage regulators and resistor network and messed up voltages too.
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SS8550 replacement
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Now i went with 600ohm on resistor network and it's all good, still on the warm side for my liking but i guess this how things run with this.
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final setup for resistors
Thanks for helping out, putting everything back together now and to the road test!

edit, forgot, adding the random china controller diagram i used for reference.
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Re: 12 x 4110 MOSFET Extreme Modder Controller LYEN Edition

Post by 999zip999 » Nov 04 2015 4:24pm

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Re: 12 x 4110 MOSFET Extreme Modder Controller LYEN Edition

Post by ABritInNY » Nov 16 2015 11:27pm

Does anyone possibly know why I'm having this problem??
I plugged my working lyen USB >TTL cable into my CA V3 to update the firmware from p6 (before I'd tweaked all my controller settings tho): It seemed to connect fine but didn't work (I tried the button while it was connected up) now for some reason the button is dead on the Cable and won't work on the controller program! what could I have done?? This is all a little frustrating...
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20Ah lifepo4 5c cells w/65a- 85a bms
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Re: 12 x 4110 MOSFET Extreme Modder Controller LYEN Edition

Post by izeman » Nov 17 2015 8:04am

no thing you can do wrong. just remember to remove battery when programming. the controller's cpu is powered by the usb cable alone!

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Post by ABritInNY » Nov 17 2015 8:29pm

Then I'm confused as to what could have happened to the cable? for the controller I removed the battery connection and it worked but for the CA it says it needs the battery powered to work and does not have enough power from the cable alone, so it was connected to power when the fault occurred, BUT I'm still confused as to why it would happen? I've emailed Lyen for help but am still awaiting a reply... Instead of just waiting I'll try and reset my pc to win 8 (just in case the Driver install messed things under Win 10) and retry it but I think that is grasping at straws tbh...
EEB frame w/ 1500w Leafmotor 4t winding,
3000w Mxus 3T w/upgraded teflon phase wires
Powervelocity 18fet - Lyen 18 fet 4110 ESC's, 24s 30ah prismatic cell Lifepo4 batt w/60a-120a BMS,
20Ah lifepo4 5c cells w/65a- 85a bms
CA V3, Dropper Seat post.
[Fusion 48v AGM (4x 12v 15ah) 1000w nom DD rear hub, 50a max ESC, 21sp FS Genesis overkill 650b conversion]

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Re: 12 x 4110 MOSFET Extreme Modder Controller LYEN Edition

Post by amberwolf » Nov 18 2015 2:17am

Perhaps a wire broke inside the cabling somewhere, or teh button is mechanically stuck inside (even if it "clicks" when pressed), or a solder joint is broken.

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Post by izeman » Nov 18 2015 4:21pm

there are two states: connected to battery you can run the CA but can't program the controller and vice versa.
i would check the wires. no need to install win8. if you chose to install another os it would be win xp.
but xpd works flawlessly under linux as well.

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Post by ABritInNY » Nov 19 2015 6:30am

Well guys I did the update (or regression, whatever you choose to call it) BUT as I feared it was not the Issue, HOWEVER thankfully Lyen kindly emailed me with Instructions despite him being out of country and travelling with bad internet... apparently it's the round plug on the CA that is the com port and I used the 5 pin rectangle adapter like the one we have on our controllers In error... Seems I'm gonna have to return the cable for repair as I'm not exactly sure what I broke :cry: WELL, U live U learn, I guess... Thank you all for your help and suggestions though :) it's much appreciated Guys.
EEB frame w/ 1500w Leafmotor 4t winding,
3000w Mxus 3T w/upgraded teflon phase wires
Powervelocity 18fet - Lyen 18 fet 4110 ESC's, 24s 30ah prismatic cell Lifepo4 batt w/60a-120a BMS,
20Ah lifepo4 5c cells w/65a- 85a bms
CA V3, Dropper Seat post.
[Fusion 48v AGM (4x 12v 15ah) 1000w nom DD rear hub, 50a max ESC, 21sp FS Genesis overkill 650b conversion]

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Post by izeman » Nov 19 2015 7:23am

aehhh... let me get that right: you wanted to update the CA and did NOT use the 3.5mm audio jack for that? so what else? afaik there is no 5pin connector coming from the CA?!

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Post by ABritInNY » Nov 21 2015 5:22am

izeman wrote:aehhh... let me get that right: you wanted to update the CA and did NOT use the 3.5mm audio jack for that? so what else? afaik there is no 5pin connector coming from the CA?!
Yes unfortunately there is...http://www.ebikes.ca/media/wysiwyg/CA3_Connectors.gif and when you're doing it for the first time, exhausted @5AM you tend to make mistakes...like plugging a USB >TTL from Lyen with a 5 pin rectangular clip for connection to the 5 pin lyen controller module, into the 5 pin PAS/Torque sensor connector on my CA3 :( lord knows how much damage (I assume the 12v min line connection) did to the 5v powered button (Cable seems fine) in my cable to fry it? Now I have to wait til Lyen is back in Dec to fix it for me...ah well, c'est la vie...
EEB frame w/ 1500w Leafmotor 4t winding,
3000w Mxus 3T w/upgraded teflon phase wires
Powervelocity 18fet - Lyen 18 fet 4110 ESC's, 24s 30ah prismatic cell Lifepo4 batt w/60a-120a BMS,
20Ah lifepo4 5c cells w/65a- 85a bms
CA V3, Dropper Seat post.
[Fusion 48v AGM (4x 12v 15ah) 1000w nom DD rear hub, 50a max ESC, 21sp FS Genesis overkill 650b conversion]

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Re: 12 x 4110 MOSFET Extreme Modder Controller LYEN Edition

Post by ABritInNY » Nov 22 2015 4:37am

Ok guys,seems the 5pin on the CA3 for the PAS/Torque input, is a 10v line, anyone able to think of a quick fix (Radio shack parts maybe?) to get my 5v USB cables button working again (even temporarily) or am I better off resigning myself into waiting for Edward to take a look at it?
EEB frame w/ 1500w Leafmotor 4t winding,
3000w Mxus 3T w/upgraded teflon phase wires
Powervelocity 18fet - Lyen 18 fet 4110 ESC's, 24s 30ah prismatic cell Lifepo4 batt w/60a-120a BMS,
20Ah lifepo4 5c cells w/65a- 85a bms
CA V3, Dropper Seat post.
[Fusion 48v AGM (4x 12v 15ah) 1000w nom DD rear hub, 50a max ESC, 21sp FS Genesis overkill 650b conversion]

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Re: 12 x 4110 MOSFET Extreme Modder Controller LYEN Edition

Post by diff_lock » Feb 23 2016 11:33pm

EDIT: controller works just fine, no source for that one time failure.

Controller seems to have died after the battery was disconnected under load. Phases are not shorted. 5V works. Battery at 14S 50 V.

Any ideas? Video of tester behavior:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVfc7t2n4E8

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Post by Lowberry » Feb 26 2016 10:35pm

Are these controllers still available?

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Post by Dartman » Feb 27 2016 2:43am

Lowberry wrote:Are these controllers still available?
Yes they are. Contact Lyen via email, address is in first post. Don't bother wait him post here, it would take awhile :)

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Post by Merlin » Feb 29 2016 8:20am

think about your money....there are better controllers out there "now"....

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Post by andyjk » Feb 29 2016 4:15pm

Merlin wrote:think about your money....there are better controllers out there "now"....
Interested to know what other better controllers there are out there.

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Post by markz » Mar 01 2016 12:13am

andyjk wrote:
Merlin wrote:think about your money....there are better controllers out there "now"....
Interested to know what other better controllers there are out there.
People seem to hold their cards tight to their chest when it comes to this question.
I remember reading it several times myself. I found a few by just reading threads and posts in this forum.

This is Lyen's "For Sale" thread, and his controllers are top notch. I know b/c I bought an 18fet from him and it works flawlessly.

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Post by maxRpm » Mar 01 2016 12:39am

markz wrote:
andyjk wrote:
Merlin wrote:think about your money....there are better controllers out there "now"....
Interested to know what other better controllers there are out there.
People seem to hold their cards tight to their chest when it comes to this question.
I remember reading it several times myself. I found a few by just reading threads and posts in this forum.

This is Lyen's "For Sale" thread, and his controllers are top notch. I know b/c I bought an 18fet from him and it works flawlessly.
I own 5 of Lyen controllers that was purchased years ago only one went bad and he still continue to respond to email with answer and troubleshooting help. And also offer the best and cheapest solution for a fix. You can't beat the the customer service he offer.

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Post by Merlin » Mar 01 2016 6:17am

my cards are wide open, as iam a part of this ebike community and i like to help and share my experience.

i bought also about 30 controllers from lyen. sure he helps and answers......as along as you are buying.
after that hes turning into lazy. default emails and if there is something going wrong or a controller was defect, he refuse to give you something like warranty.
in my case it was a damn expensive 24fet highspeed controller. i dont want to search the topic with this story, because dont want to waste time about.

whatever. 2-3 Years ago, infineon controllers was something state of the art, and lyen (as we know he is ALWAYS busy with other "projects")
sold thousands of controllers. THOUSANDS......he edited his topic with a list of buyers to show how fine everybody is.
and edited again to hide that he sold alot more....donno why. maybe tax force was behind...whatever :D

but this is now, and if you compare this oldschool crap square wave stuff to actual controllers like kellys sinewave, sabvoton, GM, Adappto then you will realize what you get for this money.
did you ever searched about this xiechang stuff? greentime?....THIS IS ALWAYS the same stuff. 6 fet controllers for 25 bugs. What did lyen to this Controllers?
because i CANT know in real, i say at least. NOTHING special. if you get in touch with XIECHANG suppliers you can order what you want. in Germany the boards are also complete Cycle analyst compatible, have
big traces and so on....but they dont buy from lyen.

beside that, everyone can buy whatever he want, whereever he want. Its my experience and i share it HERE...because this is a public forum. and not the LYEN WEBSHOP.
Lyen is nice as long as you buy.
for me hes just a reseller and not a part of this great and maybe biggest community. He NEVER reply to an public answer here. Never talk about nothing HERE.
Just using this Forum to Sell his stuff.
AND BELIEVE ME: iam not the only one who think and talk about him in this way.... but as you know in every way of life....most people only think and do nothing.
not even if there are happen bad stuff on streets where they could help......its easier to be quiet and go the own way.

If you sell your stuff over a Forum, you cant only get the sunny side of feedback. You have to live also with criticism.

back to your question: its a question of your needs.

a few weeks ago i bought a kelly for my girlfriend. It has near the size of a 6FET lyen. But there are 12FETs inside and you can squeeze out 90 Battery amps up to 90v.
Means over 8KW of Power without thinking about losing warranty or even damaging something because:
- overheat
- overcurrent
- overtemp
- low voltage cut off
- over voltage
- sine wave
- all throttles on market usable without modifications
- waterproof
- Programming Software (not that hacked stuff where you can KILL your controller with wrong settings!)
- Waterproof connectors including,
- Antispark resistors including

if you have place or a big bike, go with sabvoton or adappto when you want flux options.

we have 2016....
theres NO NEED to give all the risk of a controller to the customer!

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Post by liamcaff » Jun 16 2016 6:03pm

These still available to buy?

Was thinking of other options like Kelly and Sabvoton but not sure where to start for a comparable price. I keep coming across much more powerful controllers for way more money...

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Post by robocam » Aug 03 2016 2:54pm

Is this controller super easy to program? Could someone post some screenshots of what it looks like? I'm thinking about getting this for my Cyclone. Anyone try this on a Cyclone?

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Post by Htfan » Aug 24 2016 8:31pm

robocam wrote:Is this controller super easy to program? Could someone post some screenshots of what it looks like? I'm thinking about getting this for my Cyclone. Anyone try this on a Cyclone?
Very easy to program! Here's a link for the installation/programming manual with screen shots.

http://lyen.com/Manual/Mark_II
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Re: 12 x 4110 MOSFET Extreme Modder Controller LYEN Edition $129

Post by OHSSCT » Dec 13 2018 7:35pm

This is the Oregon Solar Car Team we have used your motor controller for the last two races. We are building a new car that uses a 100 V battery system and we were wondering if you could sell us a motor controller for the Chromotor V4 electric motor. If so please contact us at info@oregon.solar

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Re: 12 x 4110 MOSFET Extreme Modder Controller LYEN Edition $129

Post by 4WDkanootti » Apr 09 2019 12:46pm

Lyen 12fet mark II with Leafbike 48V/1000w DD

works fine with timing mod as follows:
mainwire
motor bue to controller blue, no changes
Motor yel to controller green
motor green to controller yel

Hal-wires same way
motor-hal bue to controller hal-blue, no changes
motor-hal yel to controller hal-green
motor-hal green to controller hal-yel

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