6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $89

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Post by Kagamoosha » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:20 am

Is there any way to limit the amount of watts going to the hub motor? There are many settings I am still not familiar with on the controller. Also I have to use the 12 fet sensorless profile for my controller to work.

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Post by zukster » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:02 am

I have the Lyen sensorless controller and was wondering if this battery would cause any problems for me. I have a 250w motor and want to run it at about 52 volts. I also have the programable usb adaptor so I can change any settings I want to. Would this controller allow me to run a higher voltage battery at a lower rate?
I would just set the current limit to about 15amps in the controller settings or even 12amps to be on the really safe side. Which motor is it that you have?

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Post by wineboyrider » Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:43 pm

There is a 3 speed switch that would limit current to the controller, which is good, because when you run .lower voltage batteries you would want more watts and when you use a higher voltage battery you can keep your motor from burning up..LOL
Another way to limit is with a plug in CA cycle analyst.
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Post by Kagamoosha » Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:02 pm

Well they messaged me and said they won't sell it, because it has been sitting for so long they do not think it will work. I am thinking of buying a Bussetti 52 volt 15 ah battery. Would that mean the controller would make it 1040 watts?
http://www.busettii.com/big-50-mile-bat ... 52135.html
This would make my Fat Tire electric bike a good speed and distance. Does anyone else have a battery like this?

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Post by Kagamoosha » Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:45 pm

I'm not sure of the name brand of the motor. I can't wait for it to be functional again!
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Post by wineboyrider » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:21 pm

If you are not discussing about this controller than you need to start another thread?
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Post by Kagamoosha » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:45 am

Sorry. I have the 3 speed switch, but I was wondering what settings I should use for a 42 volt 20 ah battery with a 30 c rating.
What should I put for the battery current limit, and the phase current limit with a 250 watt motor?

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Post by DAND214 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:54 pm

Kagamoosha wrote:Sorry. I have the 3 speed switch, but I was wondering what settings I should use for a 42 volt 20 ah battery with a 30 c rating.
What should I put for the battery current limit, and the phase current limit with a 250 watt motor?
42V OR 36 / 44?
IS THE 42 HOT OFF THE CHARGER OR SOMETHING ELSE?
I ran mine 32 battery 70 phase 44v on a 8t MAC. That was great
So a 250 that would be a limit for the motor, maybe even high.

Dan

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Post by zukster » Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:12 am

zukster wrote:I would just set the current limit to about 15amps in the controller settings or even 12amps
I mentioned this from practical experience and testing with a 350w Q100 from bmsbattery.com. To test your own setup you can set the current limit, go for a ride with a heavy load, up some hills, etc. Anything to stress the motor. Jump of periodically and touch the motor to see how hot it is. If you can't keep your hand on it then lower the current limit. V=IR does not really help as much as this hands-on test.

Lyen just shipped me my 6 FET Sensorless controller with fixed low-level firmware that works with the Q100 hub motor. When I get it I will be starting at a current limit of 15A, then dropping if necessary as per above.

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Post by rumped6 » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:57 pm

Nice to see the 4-sale section has now become the tech section 8)

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Post by wineboyrider » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:44 pm

Yep. :?
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Post by zukster » Fri May 09, 2014 4:16 pm

Hi Edward, I'm having trouble reaching you with email again so I am trying here.

I just tried the new controller with the new low level firmware with my Cute Q100C and I am getting a similar problem to the first time around.

The updated controller might be a bit better than before when the bike is moving 5km per hour or more, but at less than 5km per hour it still stutters under load. It works a bit better when applying the throttle slowly, but when there is a hill, it will not get going at all.

Are you only making a Sensorless version of this controller now?

If this is the case, have you found a way for the controller to be able to provide torque at zero RPM before the bike is moving and the motor turning? My experience above seems to indicate that this might still be a problem.

As I understand it, this has always been a concern with sensorless controllers. I have read about some controllers that use combined hall sensors and EMF(sensorless) operation. They use the hall mode for zero speed to start up, then when the motor is spinning they switch to sensorless mode because it is more efficient when the motor is running at full RPM.

I am very interested how your controller works?

Thanks, Jeff.

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Post by 999zip999 » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:28 pm

So does this controller work on bmc 600h.s. hub ?

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Post by bigsi » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:12 pm

Hi ed. I still need your help. I bought a controller as you know from someone on here that's one of yours. Turned out to be a dud. It's a 24x4110. Have you any in or how much to repair? It's a right hassle posting to you though. Hope you are well buddy. Si
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Post by FreedomElectricSolutions » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:24 am

I've been riding a Lyen 6x3077 controller @ 23 amps continous and 51 amps peak. I have never got it more than warm, and the USB programming is awesome! Props to Lyen The Man.

Anybody know the max amperage to run this guy continous, i know it shouldn't take anymore than the 4110.

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Post by wineboyrider » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:12 am

I have run it at 24s lipo and around 2400 w continuous for about a 4 mile ride and it got very warm!
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Post by Kibilz » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:02 pm

Hi there I am looking at upgrading the stock controller on my surface 604 element fat bike.

I am more intrested in torque than speed.
Unfortunately the stock controller is extremely tiny,

3.25" L. 84mm
X
1.5" H. 30mm
X
2.25" W 54mm

I would like to keep the stock look and keep the new controller inside the stock housing. Was hoping to bump up the amperage (25 to 30 amps) as high as it can go and eventually upgrade to a 48 volt battery from the 36 volt pack that comes with it.

Can you suggest a controller that might fit those dimensions?
The stock controller says it is 9 to 17 amps.

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Post by Lyen » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:12 pm

Hi Kibilz,

Thanks for your inquiry. This is actually the smallest controller I have available. The dimension is 4.53" x 2.63" x 1.38" (115mm x 67mm x 35mm) plus mount extensions.

I would suggest to determine another location to mount it.

Please let me know if you are still interested.

Thanks,
Edward Lyen


Kibilz wrote:Hi there I am looking at upgrading the stock controller on my surface 604 element fat bike.

I am more intrested in torque than speed.
Unfortunately the stock controller is extremely tiny,

3.25" L. 84mm
X
1.5" H. 30mm
X
2.25" W 54mm

I would like to keep the stock look and keep the new controller inside the stock housing. Was hoping to bump up the amperage (25 to 30 amps) as high as it can go and eventually upgrade to a 48 volt battery from the 36 volt pack that comes with it.

Can you suggest a controller that might fit those dimensions?
The stock controller says it is 9 to 17 amps.
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Post by Ykick » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:25 pm

Kibilz wrote:Hi there I am looking at upgrading the stock controller on my surface 604 element fat bike.

I am more intrested in torque than speed.
Unfortunately the stock controller is extremely tiny,

3.25" L. 84mm
X
1.5" H. 30mm
X
2.25" W 54mm

I would like to keep the stock look and keep the new controller inside the stock housing. Was hoping to bump up the amperage (25 to 30 amps) as high as it can go and eventually upgrade to a 48 volt battery from the 36 volt pack that comes with it.

Can you suggest a controller that might fit those dimensions?
The stock controller says it is 9 to 17 amps.
You’re hoping to double-triple system Amperage yet keep the controller inside an enclosure? Yeah, look toward relocating it where it can get some air flow.

I’ve got 4qty Lyen 6 FET’s running around town and they’ve been very good to us. Can deliver 'lotta power in a relatively small package but I’d never pack one away inside a bag or enclosure without some air flow.
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Post by boris_cveto » Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:04 am

Dear Lyen,

We are the customers from Slovenia (we bought the last two controllers).
So we have tried to use your controller for our custom motor (geared, spinning at 6000rpm, motor is 14 pole - f = 700Hz), of course sensorless. Unfortunately the motor is not driven correctly - at no load it consumed 1000W, se we expect firing angle misaligmnet, but we cannot change anything. We have used the combination with CA3.
Do you have any advice?
If we would install Hall sensors, how we would connect them to the motor?

Best regards,

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Post by riba2233 » Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:29 am

boris_cveto wrote:Dear Lyen,

We are the customers from Slovenia (we bought the last two controllers).
So we have tried to use your controller for our custom motor (geared, spinning at 6000rpm, motor is 14 pole - f = 700Hz), of course sensorless. Unfortunately the motor is not driven correctly - at no load it consumed 1000W, se we expect firing angle misaligmnet, but we cannot change anything. We have used the combination with CA3.
Do you have any advice?
If we would install Hall sensors, how we would connect them to the motor?

Best regards,

Sensorless mode only works up to about 15000 erpm (250 hz), so you need halls and use sensored mode. Also, how thick are your stator laminations, they should be at lest 0.3 mm or thinner for 700 hz, otherwise it's not uncommon to see such high no load figure. Got any pictures or links on that motor?

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Post by boris_cveto » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:39 am

Thanks, Riba2233,

You are right, for 700Hz a thin lamination is needed, we are using 0,2mm.
How do you know, tha sensorless does not work above 250Hz? We have some controllers that do well with this motor, like Jeti Spin 200, or some chinese controllers.
Or do you have limits for Lyen controller?

Boris

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Post by riba2233 » Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:44 am

boris_cveto wrote:Thanks, Riba2233,

You are right, for 700Hz a thin lamination is needed, we are using 0,2mm.
How do you know, tha sensorless does not work above 250Hz? We have some controllers that do well with this motor, like Jeti Spin 200, or some chinese controllers.
Or do you have limits for Lyen controller?

Boris


I saw this test:

http://www.etotheipiplusone.net/?p=2387

virtualvillage_us controller, one with yellow PCB uses same infineon chip like lyen, so look at it's results :)


Also:

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 28&t=22333

In this test maximum erpm was 25000, which is not so bad for sensorless.

Do you have any pictures of you motor? :)

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