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6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $89

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:32 am
by Lyen
These are for newly hand assembled 6 FET Infineon programmable brushless controllers I am selling. They are new and never used. It is originally designed for brushless motors with damaged hall sensors. You can now revive any damaged hall sensor motors and put your ebike back on the road.

The way it works is controller has a unique sensorless module to convert pulses to voltage and feed the appropriate emulated signal to the MCU (Motor Control Unit).
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There are other reasons for utilize the controller below:
1. You want to make more space in the motor axle for for thicker phase wires
2. You hate hall wires
3. You have a RC motor (Turnigy & Astro in this case)
4. You want to try something different
5. You think sensorless is cool
6. You are unable to figure out how to wire the sensor wires to the controller with the correct sequence
7. You want to have a backup controller just in case
8. You think sensorless is more reliable since no hall sensors and/or wires can get damaged easily by heat & water

The controller is hacker ready. It was originally a special request item from a member. But word of mouths are making it becomes more popular so I had to make a few extra to meet the demand. :)

There are lots of potential and features you can unveil and twist as you go. You can program functions such as enable power regeneration, regenerate braking, pulse width modulation, low voltage cut-off, interface with a Cycle Analyst, and others. You may also add an USB to TTL programming adapter and connect to the computer for tuning. (Electronics knowledge is required to unleash the potential however)

One unique feature on this controller is that it has an additional speed sensor circuitry built-in with an extra wire embedded for output. It is to be used with the scooter style electric bike and electric scooters that have a speedometer in the dashboard.

If you look carefully in the photos, you will notice this version also uses lock washers to secure the MOSFETs internally and the heat transfer bar outside to place tension against a nut after tightening. It is also to help prevent the nut from loosening. The MOSFETs will get overheated and damaged when detached from the heat-sink which used to be the case from the previous designs.

* For hackers, you may double and possibly triple the current output to make it a mighty wonder by adding braids wires (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index ... Id=2062744),add solders to beef up the circuit board traces and shunt. It may also be needed to upgrade to larger capacitors, gauge wires for both the battery and the phase wires to the motor.

Best motors to use:
200-500w geared motors
E-BikeKit 6x10 motor due to high torque & low current

Features:
Programmable
Small size
Lightweight
Long range
Good for low discharge rated batteries

Hackable features:
Higher power output
Cruise control with throttle only
Reverse
Security lock
Turbo mode
Status Indicator
Speed Limit
etc.

For hacking information, please see the links below:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12616&hilit=6fet
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18641


Below is the specification:
Model: EC-064110SL-LYEN EDITION
Start immediate controller
Chipset: XCKJ8B116A (same chipset being used as in the 18 FET controller)
Circuit board version: EB206-C-3
6 x genuine IRFB 4110 MOSFET N-CH 100V (tested up to 110V before damage) for more information about the FET, click the link below:
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=IRFB4110PBF-ND
36-60V battery optimized (for higher or lower voltage & current such as 24V, 60-100V, you may need to change the resistor network to avoid damage to the LM317 linear voltage regulator)
20A is the current rate at 72v or 25A at 48v (for higher current, you may need to beef up/reinforce the trace, shunt, and reprogram it via the software)
Low voltage cut-off: 29V
Battery and motor phase wires gauge size: 12AWG (High voltage capable wires equipped)
Dimension: 115mm x 67mm x 35mm plus mount extensions

I have only 50 made since I am busy working on my other ebike projects. My intention for selling at such low price is to share the fun with other ES forum members instead of making them jealous. :wink: I finally understand why Methods mentioned the cost of labor is steep after all this and I have to agree with him from now on. These controllers are not generic controllers. I have every single one serialized. Quantity is limited, buy it now and upgrade later once your piggy bank is filled up if needed. :lol:

$89 USD free ground shipping in the United States & Canada. For other locations, please PM or email me at LYEN@HOTMAIL.COM. I accept PayPal, cash or money order. The controllers will be shipped out from me in San Francisco, California, USA. I will provide a tracking number and ship it out as soon as I have received the fund.

For only $10 more, I can include the the following:
1. CA connector
2. Regenerative enable/disable (Enabled simply by connect the wires together without the need to open the case)
3. USB-TTL 5 pin connector (for use with the USB-TTL adapter that is sold separate)

I also have the USB-TTL adapter for adjust and alter the controller settings on your computer. It has the extra 5 pin plug and a "SEND" button. It is also compatible with Windows XP/Vista/7 32/64 bit operating system (real 32/64bit drivers). $15 with purchase, $20 if purchase separately.

You may click on the PayPal Buy It Now link below. For accessories, please send money via PayPal or send me a private message for the total price. Thanks!
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=2VT5EFHECUMSW

If you are not satisfy with the results or if it is too fast for you, you may send it back to me within 30 days in an unmodified condition.

Update: March 21st, 2015 > I can adjust the controller for 24V, 33V, 36V, 48V, 60V, 66V, 72V, 84V, and other battery settings upon request.

Quantity updated as of 3/25/2013: 49 left (buyer bought 1 from Upplands Väsby, Sweden )
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It works on both 60 and 120 degree angle hall sensors motors such as the 9C, Crystalyte 40x series, 5 series, Turnigy (at up to 2200rpm only), Astro (at up to 2200rpm only).


Attached are the pictures of the controller. Please allow time for the images to load.
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Additional accessories (prices are reflected with controller purchase only. Please contact if you are interested to buy without controller):
$15 throttle (full/half/thumb) with mated left rubber grip (very good quality) (ebikekit retails @ $36)
$19 cruise control (manually installation required)
$15 three way speed switch (manually installation required)
$15 PAS - Pedal Assist System add-on (manually installation required)
$15 electric brake levers a pair
$29 motor/controller hall/phase/throttle tester

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:46 am
by oatnet
Hmm...

Would this support the 55,000+ electrical rpms needed by the BMC V3? It would be nice to run the V3 sensorless and fit larger phase wires through the axle, but RPMs are an issue on geared motors, not to mention that the V3 seems to give digital controllers fits. If you think it will work though I might give it a shot.

-JD

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:19 am
by Lyen
oatnet wrote:Hmm...

Would this support the 55,000+ electrical rpms needed by the BMC V3? It would be nice to run the V3 sensorless and fit larger phase wires through the axle, but RPMs are an issue on geared motors, not to mention that the V3 seems to give digital controllers fits. If you think it will work though I might give it a shot.

-JD


Hi JD,

PM sent :)

Thanks!
Lyen

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:07 pm
by disndat
Hey JD just an FYI =I tried my Lyen sensorless with my BMC V3(works fine with my Lyen sensored) and could not get it to work at all.I tried all phase combos and got nothing but stuttering off the line and then it just quits.I would love to be able to run my BMCs sensorless so I can beef up the phase wires.Let us know if you have any better luck.

Chris

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:09 pm
by mwkeefer
Lyen,

Have any more of these?

-Mike

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:15 pm
by johnrobholmes
Same here, the sensorless module doesn't seem to work with bmc and puma type motors until the motor is spooled up pretty fast under load. No load it works just fine.

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:26 pm
by Lyen
mwkeefer wrote:Lyen,

Have any more of these?

-Mike


Hi Mike,

Thanks for your interest in the sensorless controller. Yes, I do have more for you. PM sent. Thanks!

Best Regards,
Lyen

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:53 am
by jbond
How do the IRFB 4110 FETs compare with IRFB3077? (as recommended by Jeremy for modding these 6Fet controllers)

What would be the maximum reasonable current settings on 36v nominal?

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:58 am
by Lyen
Hi Jbond,

Thanks for your interest in the controllers. I have sent you a PM for the comparison details. :)

Regards,
Lyen

jbond wrote:How do the IRFB 4110 FETs compare with IRFB3077? (as recommended by Jeremy for modding these 6Fet controllers)

What would be the maximum reasonable current settings on 36v nominal?

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:22 am
by LI-ghtcycle
I have a question, could the LVC be modified to work for 30V of LiPo? I'm still looking for 2000W, so I would need about 70A continuous rated. Is this possible maybe it would need different FET's?

Thanks!

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:42 am
by Jeremy Harris
jbond wrote:How do the IRFB 4110 FETs compare with IRFB3077? (as recommended by Jeremy for modding these 6Fet controllers)

What would be the maximum reasonable current settings on 36v nominal?


The 4110's have a greater on resistance, Rdson (3.7 to 4.5 mohm) than the 3077s (2.8 to 3.3 mohm), so will run ~25% hotter and have ~25% higher losses at the same current. If you don't need the 80 to 90V operating capability offered by 100V FETs like the 4110s, then I'd suggest using lower voltage ones, as this will reduce the losses significantly. The 3077's are 75V rated so OK for operation to around 65V. If you want to run at low voltage, say below 35V, then IRLB3034s are even better (Rdson is 1.4 to 1.7mohms).

The 4110 and 3077 FETs have the same package current limit of 120A, the 3034s have a higher package current limit of 195A.

The principle here is that using FETs with a voltage rating that is much greater than you need results in greater losses and more heat for a given current.

Jeremy

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:48 pm
by joe tomten
Lyen,

Are you still offering these?

thanks,
Joe

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:01 pm
by Lyen
Hi Joe,

Thanks once again for your continued business. Yes, I still do offering the controllers. PM is being sent.

joe tomten wrote:Lyen,

Are you still offering these?

thanks,
Joe

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:10 pm
by The Mighty Volt
Hi Ed.

How does this controller perform when used with an 8X8 motor at 50V or more?

Thanks.

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 6:43 pm
by sangesf
How about a 36v controller that can run sensorless, has cruise control and regen braking..
How much?

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 7:15 pm
by chroot
It runs not great on 9C motor with the sensorless controller. Spacey gave up his 9C and went HS3540 BIG DIFFERENCE!! It runs smooth and fast. You might want PM Spacey this details.



The Mighty Volt wrote:Hi Ed.

How does this controller perform when used with an 8X8 motor at 50V or more?

Thanks.

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:50 pm
by NeilBarr
Hi All,

This is my first post on the site, and i am blown away by the knowledge base and skills!
Starting my first ever conversion of a yamaha QT50, going to be attaching a out-runner directly to the drive shaft with a gear reduction built into the bevel drive of 57:10
http://www.hobbyking.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/ ... &aff=54444
just getting all the bits together and come to some technical difficulties re the RC route, and the lack of sensors, would your controller be the answer? many other users describe controllers being destroyed and servo's not working.
Was planning, on either a 36V or 48V system which ever comes easiest, and fairly modest speed and distance requirements.
Also im in New Zealand, and was wondering if you do international delivery!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Neil Barr

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:06 am
by Lyen
Hi Neil,

Thanks for your interest in the controllers. PM sent.

Best Regards,
Lyen

NeilBarr wrote:Hi All,

This is my first post on the site, and i am blown away by the knowledge base and skills!
Starting my first ever conversion of a yamaha QT50, going to be attaching a out-runner directly to the drive shaft with a gear reduction built into the bevel drive of 57:10
http://www.hobbyking.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/ ... &aff=54444
just getting all the bits together and come to some technical difficulties re the RC route, and the lack of sensors, would your controller be the answer? many other users describe controllers being destroyed and servo's not working.
Was planning, on either a 36V or 48V system which ever comes easiest, and fairly modest speed and distance requirements.
Also im in New Zealand, and was wondering if you do international delivery!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Neil Barr

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:21 am
by jayquepub
Hi there,

I have had 3 or 4 hub motor bikes in the past, all were underpowered for the mountain I live on. I am thinking about a 72V setup using Prius NiMH batts I got my hands on, and an HS3540 or HT. I really want regen (it helped with braking a LOT with the BionX kit I had) but I am hoping for at least 50 amps continuous, if not 60. 100A peak... any chance I could pay extra to have one of these controllers modified to meet this requirement? I want a sensorless motor for robustness over time.

Thanks!

Jesse

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:53 pm
by Andje
lyen is it possible to have YOU modify the resistor network to set one of these up for 100v sensor less operation?

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:07 pm
by Lyen
Hi Andje,

Thanks for your interest in the controllers. PM sent.

Best Regards,
Edward Lyen

Andje wrote:lyen is it possible to have YOU modify the resistor network to set one of these up for 100v sensor less operation?

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:59 am
by emmetbrown
Hi Edward,
would need one for 36V with ability to connect PAS and with the programming adaptor.

greetings,

christian

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:40 pm
by emmetbrown
Package arrived this week.
Hooked up on my trekking-bike, works flawless.
Stays really cool in the cargo-bag, about 40 Celsius, with very strange hillclimbing and of course a lot of pedalling ( motor is a geared hubmotor in the rear, similar to bafang ).
Need to amp a little bit down to meet the legal limit and to save the gears from loosing teeth :mrgreen: .
Didn´t connect the halls, of course not, so braking the bike and giving throttle makes a bit of strange noise, I think
thats from not to be able to sense the turning direction.
Starting up from a dead stop is no problem at all, works great.

greetings,

christian

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:11 pm
by sn0wchyld
hey lyen

any chance I can get you to mod this controller for ~45Amps? what'd be the new cost?

cheers mate.

Re: 6x4110 Sensorless Mini Monster Controller LYEN Edition $

PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:35 am
by Lyen
Hi sn0wchyld,

You may want to consider this one. PM me if interest. Thanks! :)

Regards,
Lyen

sn0wchyld wrote:hey lyen

any chance I can get you to mod this controller for ~45Amps? what'd be the new cost?

cheers mate.