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5403/5404 US/CANADA deadline! order is made!!!

Post by maxwell65 » Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:23 pm

hi all,

ok we did it,,at 21 motors i have arranged for the order to be placed,,,so for anyone who wants a 5404/03 motor act fast cause there is little time left at this point.

i have been working hard to make this happen,,,we are at 21 motors but we need 9 more to make this a go,,,cut off will be nov 21st and this time for sure,,,either we will have 30 or if we are short i will try to make it happen at the number where at,,,a few dropped out but hopefully they will re-consider at this point and come back in because we are going to make the order nov 21st for sure,,,5404 Motors will have 11G phase wires and will have ss411A for hall effects , SKF or NSK bearings and Disc brake mount.

any one who wants to buy extra motors, now is the time to do so to assure this buy goes through.

sorry for all the hassles,,,,but this is it,,,, nov 21st,,,either all will be refunded 100%,,, or the buy goes through and all will get the 5404 motors.

Thanks to all for their kind patience and understanding,

max
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to anyone who wants order information and all accessories available to be had drop me an email and i will send all info to you. ,,,for those that opt for 2 motors i can offer them for sale at a price you dictate and we can split the profit,,,or if you sell the motor on your own i can forward it for you at a small 30$ commission,,,if we are unable to sell i can send direct to your home,,,just pay shipping of course,,,i can hold the motor for you for 3 months after that 30$ storage fee will be added per each additional 3 months,,,(i cannot hold on to it indefinitely) i offer no guarantees as to whether or not it will sell.

deadline is nov 21st 2011,,,if we make it fine,,,if not all will be refunded. its crunch time!

if you live anywhere in the USA or Canada your price is in fact $420.00 US with all the upgrades.

shipping to your home direct from USA or direct from Canada is of course extra!
price can vary between 20$ to 50$ dependent on where in Canada or USA the goods are to be sent. all information is below

Great news! I now have 23 solid commitments and the list is growing


To make your order,SEND NO MONEY ,,,for those that want in on this buy,for Canada /USA:
simply email me at maxwellsmart8686@hotmail.com and say,,,please email me when you are ready to complete the order of the 5404 and 5403,,,put me down for these options; i want this that and that,,,,at that point you will be confirmed and placed on my list as a buyer for a 5403 or 5404.

to be fair i need ur email address as it will be hard to contact part of the people here and part of the people by email,,,so if ur really interested send me ur email address

as my list grows i will post how many "real participants" i have and as we reach the MOQ i will simply email the group demanding payment then i will post OK its a go,,,at THAT POINT HERE IS HOW LONG U WILL HAVE TO WAIT:

30 DAYS FOR ORDER TO BE PREPPED
AND ANOTHER 30 DAYS TO SHIP IN THE GOODS...

SO ALL THAT WANT IN MUST BE PATIENT!

the 5404 weighs in at 15kgs! Crazeee heavy!
Available as 5404 and 5403,,,04 will have more torque,03 more speed.
All motors will have 11g phase wires(10g will not fit) and upgraded halls
SKF 6004-2RS / SKF 6005-2RS bearing
HONEYWELL SS40 sensors
the following upgrades are in fact 20$ extra so total 420$
shipping to your home direct from USA or direct from Canada is of course extra! price can vary between 20$ to 50$ dependent on where in Canada or USA the goods are to be sent.

here is what i need to know from you, the purchaser:
the 5404 comes with these choices,
150mm dropout using a 7 speed cassette,,,7 speed cassette not included 20$
135mm dropout,but u can only use a one speed cassette or 3 speed cassette,,,(that is the only way it will fit in a standard 135mm rear drop-out) one or 3 speed cassette not included (no price on that yet)

all come with disc brake option.
Mounting on rim with 12G SS spokes 65$,,it can be mounted on a 23mm wide rim or 31mm wide rim,,,or just spokes cut out to size of rim u intend to use 25$ in both cases specify rim size.

MORE GOOD NEWS OR BAD NEWS DEPENDENT ON IF U SEE THE GLASS HALF EMPTY OR FULL: unless i myself get 30 orders there will be a delay in ordering,,,i.e. i get a total of 10 Canada/USA orders,,,well at that point (without getting into all the details) i can order the 10 motors according to clients requests,,,however i will not and cannot ship them in until im ready to bring in my regular order of clyte motors, as shipping smaller quantities becomes cost prohibitive,,,unless u want to pay 600$ per motor :shock: so to sum it up,,,30 motors i can ship in if i have 30 Canada/USA orders,,,,,29 motors and less i can ship in with my next regular clyte order which will be around Jan to march 2012. there is one other solution,,,once i have a list of 10 or 15 people i can arrange a special shipment but it will cost a bit extra then the regular price,,,maybe add 20 dollars to the overall cost,,,then voila!,,,everyone can get their motors in a timely fashion!so send ur email addresses and we can make this happen!
bear in mind this is dependent on making the MOQ of 30 motors including our friends in Europe and in Australia.

thanks to all
max
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Post by Zoot Katz » Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:30 pm

150mm dropout using a 7 speed cassette,,,7 speed cassette not included 20$
135mm dropout,but u can only use a one speed cassette or 3 speed cassette,,,(that is the only way it will fit in a standard 135mm rear drop-out) one or 3 speed cassette not included (no price on that yet)

Please clarify and acknowledge the difference between thread-on freewheels and cassettes.
Which is it?

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Post by nicobie » Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:50 pm

Zoot Katz wrote:
150mm dropout using a 7 speed cassette,,,7 speed cassette not included 20$
135mm dropout,but u can only use a one speed cassette or 3 speed cassette,,,(that is the only way it will fit in a standard 135mm rear drop-out) one or 3 speed cassette not included (no price on that yet)

Please clarify and acknowledge the difference between thread-on freewheels and cassettes.
Which is it?


Good idea as this seems to be causing some confusion. :wink:

Anyone know why these hub motors always come with the old fashion screw-on freewheel?
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Post by gensem » Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:03 pm

Curiosity... But how much would be the shipping to Sao Paulo - Brazil ?
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Post by Floont » Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:57 am

gensem wrote:Curiosity... But how much would be the shipping to Sao Paulo - Brazil ?

Looks like you may be handling this hemisphere, Max!

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Post by thedarlington » Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:12 pm

when is this goig on? i am interested but have recently purchased a hub so if its a month or two from now i will probably be in

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Post by Floont » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:51 pm


About a couple of weeks from now, I think.
Build 2: (present build): Rear x5304 on full suspension Mongoose, 127v 30s3p 10aH Turnigy Lipo, Lyen 24FET 100amp controller, CA2.2, 26" Hookworm front, 26" Crazy Bob rear, 203mm disc brakes, Airzound horn, twin Blaze 2 watt front lights - BURNED
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Post by ryan » Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:44 am

I've already sent my email, but I'll show my support for this buy here as well. Let me know when we're ready to roll.
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Post by Deutch420 » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:44 pm

^^ what he said. My email is sent. Just waiting for the word to send funds! I cant wait for 8kw continuous for a few miles without heat issues (i hope)
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Post by Floont » Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:06 pm


Waiting is tough.
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Post by damcard » Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:40 pm

Are we still only at 9? Come on guys. There have to be more of you out there. -Damcard

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Post by Floont » Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:23 pm

damcard wrote:Are we still only at 9? Come on guys. There have to be more of you out there. -Damcard

I'm not sure most people notice that it is a 5404, not a 5304. They don't know it's got about 1/3 more torque as its indestructible 5304 brother.
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Post by Farfle » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:53 pm

huh, not many people at all, Im down for 6 of them...
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Post by Arlo1 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:20 am

Farfle wrote:huh, not many people at all, Im down for 6 of them...

Wow what are you building?

I think im mostly done with hub motors.... Besides i need to pay off the visa and order more lipo way more lipo!
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Post by Floont » Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:34 am

Arlo1 wrote:
Farfle wrote:huh, not many people at all, Im down for 6 of them...

Wow what are you building?

I think he's building two all-wheel drive etrikes... :wink: :wink: :wink:
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Post by Arlo1 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:52 am

Lol after I posted that I thought to my self.... Man a go kart with 4 of these one for each wheel would be a lot of fun!
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Post by Floont » Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:01 am


If you could keep it on the ground!
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Post by Farfle » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:45 pm

Floont wrote:
If you could keep it on the ground!


hehe, nope, just modding them up to sell back to the community. re-wire, new halls, cooling vanes and temp probes.
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Peak power in : 420A at 87v
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Post by damcard » Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:38 pm

Farfle wrote: re-wire, new halls

I thought these will have decent halls and wires already. What halls will you use? -Damcard

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Post by Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh » Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:00 pm

Arlo1 wrote:I think im mostly done with hub motors....


oh, why is that if you don't mind my asking?
whatever happened to I must own this motor! that's changed your mind from the beginning of the year?

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Post by Arlo1 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:44 pm

Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh wrote:
Arlo1 wrote:I think im mostly done with hub motors....


oh, why is that if you don't mind my asking?
whatever happened to I must own this motor! that's changed your mind from the beginning of the year?

TIA

I am forever learning.... I have 3 collossus motors 2 big one small. As I learnt from lukes flaming cock motor every motor has its limits for power output at a given rpm. So the only way to make more power from the same motor is to volt up and gear down you cant do that with a hub motor! As well you can use a smaller motor that weighs less to make more power with a more centralized overall mass for the entire package! Don't get me wrong this motor is bad ass but I want performance and from an engineering stand point hub motors have no place on a race bike!
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Post by Farfle » Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:06 am

Arlo1 wrote:
Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh wrote:
Arlo1 wrote:I think im mostly done with hub motors....


oh, why is that if you don't mind my asking?
whatever happened to I must own this motor! that's changed your mind from the beginning of the year?

TIA

I am forever learning.... I have 3 collossus motors 2 big one small. As I learnt from lukes flaming cock motor every motor has its limits for power output at a given rpm. So the only way to make more power from the same motor is to volt up and gear down you cant do that with a hub motor! As well you can use a smaller motor that weighs less to make more power with a more centralized overall mass for the entire package! Don't get me wrong this motor is bad ass but I want performance and from an engineering stand point hub motors have no place on a race bike!


Very true, from a power to weight standpoint, hubmotors are absolutely horrible, horrible efficiency aswell. And even their burst power, IMHO there best feature, cannot really be used as they seem to reach magnetic saturation before anything impressive happens. BUT, That's an HX motor that was tested to its flaming plasma death, not an X5 IIRC. Having become quite intimate with the insides of both, I can say that an HX motor has about 1/2 of the Iron a X5300 and about 1/3 the thermal mass, not being attached to a massive aluminum casting. I'm betting that an X5300 hits saturation at about 14kw, and this new X5 at about 18Kw. and Even at 60% average Efficiency, that's one helluva lot of power, especially when you don't have to worry about it blowing your nards off if a controller throws a tantrum :D. I'm not quite done with them yet, there's some interesting possibilities with this motor in a very small wheel. at a very high voltage. with some serious cooling. :D
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24s5p 50c nano tech
Badass custom mofo outrunner 205x177mm 26kv
Peak power in : 420A at 87v
Peak power out: 34 Hp and 105ft/lb

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"It will be assaulted by the elements, It will be ravaged by time and it will be destroyed by the user. BUT, if you Stick to the little rules: K.I.S.S., Overbuild everything, and test, review, revise, repeat. It will last"


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Post by Arlo1 » Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:51 am

Farfle wrote:Very true, from a power to weight standpoint, hubmotors are absolutely horrible, horrible efficiency aswell. And even their burst power, IMHO there best feature, cannot really be used as they seem to reach magnetic saturation before anything impressive happens. BUT, That's an HX motor that was tested to its flaming plasma death, not an X5 IIRC. Having become quite intimate with the insides of both, I can say that an HX motor has about 1/2 of the Iron a X5300 and about 1/3 the thermal mass, not being attached to a massive aluminum casting. I'm betting that an X5300 hits saturation at about 14kw, and this new X5 at about 18Kw. and Even at 60% average Efficiency, that's one helluva lot of power, especially when you don't have to worry about it blowing your nards off if a controller throws a tantrum :D. I'm not quite done with them yet, there's some interesting possibilities with this motor in a very small wheel. at a very high voltage. with some serious cooling. :D

I spent a whole day dyno tuning my X5304 on 100volts with a 24 fet! I can melt the motor just as easy as luke did! The most HP my x5 can make is 6.53hp thats on 100v my top speed is 85km/h with a 20 inch wheel so I dont want more volts. Lukes motor made more power then mine because it was rewound to the best potential it could have mine is a stock x5304 with double phase wires and cooling fans! If I rewound it I would likely be able to make a little more power then luke but Im no interested in all the work right now. I have other things to finish like collossus which weighs less than 1/2 of an x5304 and can spike ~60hp for ten seconds thats about 6 times what you will ever see out of a x5404 with less then 1/3 the weight!
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Post by Arlo1 » Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:34 pm

Sorry for the last post. This is a kick ass motor. Its going to be a long time till I can get collossus running properly. If I didn't have the X5304 already I would gladly get this one. This is a motor that 95% of the forum should consider. Its going to be turn key performance!
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Post by Deutch420 » Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:51 pm

maxwell65 wrote:. there is one other solution,,,once i have a list of 10 or 15 people i can arrange a special shipment but it will cost a bit extra then the regular price,,,maybe add 20 dollars to the overall cost,,,then voila!,,,everyone can get their motors in a timely fashion!so send ur email addresses and we can make this happen!


So an additional $20 per person and we can order with 10-15 people. We're almost there. Im sure people wont mind spending another $20 to make this group buy happen at 15 hubs instead of 30. This offer still available Max?
GM Rear, Drill mod. 12FET Lyen @ 45A, 24s2p 100v 10ah LiPo. 1999 Mongoose = 49MPH.
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Crystalyte 5403 rear 18FET Lyen @ 80amps, 24s4p 100v 20ah LiPo. Phasor frame = 58mph 100%, 62mph 120%

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