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Re: 5403/5404 US/CANADA Nov 10th deadline! UPDATE

Post by Floont » Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:07 pm

Max,

Count me as one.

I can't send $$$, until Nov 7.

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Post by itchynackers » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:01 pm

I'm back in. Payment sent last night to Maxwell.
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Post by oatnet » Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:41 pm

Doctorbass wrote:Still 10 missing motor request to complete


Accountant sold out of his last 12 motors really fast, when Kenny burped the deal. I wonder how many buyers blew their budget with accountant, buyers who would still be on board if Kenny had played it straight. :oops:

I like to order, and play with, with one of every new/unique ebike product that comes out, so I am still down for both. :D

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Post by Evoforce » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:27 am

I would like to know what the numbers are...Have ordered two 5403, might order a third. Are these just the 5404 or is it including the 5403? Now I am wondering!
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Post by Andje » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:54 am

i asked max when he said the deal was back on; he said that both windings would be availiable.
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Post by Doctorbass » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:25 am

Maybe Max, you could offer to Justin to buy the balance?

Justin could i think offer them as a limited qty for extreme ebike builder :D

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Post by Evoforce » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:10 am

How many more do we need?
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Post by ryan » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:18 am

I just learned that Ilia from ebikes-sf is buying a handful direct from Kenny so I have to think we're over the limit. Max, if Kenny gives you a hard time you can call his bluff. He already has enough to do a run of these motors.

But let me know the final stats. I'm waiting to send until I know how many we need. I may up my order.
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Post by Evoforce » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:50 pm

+1 on that. I would like to know how close we are.
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Post by damcard » Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:52 pm

I spoke with Max a little bit ago and he said to expect an email tonight explaining where we are at. -Damcard

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Post by scriewy » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:08 pm

that is kick ass news about ilia !

Cell men could'v been a good potential future source of these as ilia and he always willing to ship by sea, that's like 50$ for 15kg.
but it seems he got slamed by work since he started offering bats and controllers.
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Post by Drunkskunk » Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:43 pm

So any news?
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Post by damcard » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:56 pm

I haven't received an email yet. Has anyone else? -Damcard

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Post by sn0wchyld » Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:28 pm

nope, still waiting on the word... ive pm'ed hyena but I already know he's absolutely snowed under with emails so might take him a wile to get back to me...

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Post by itchynackers » Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:41 am

Nothing here yet...
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Post by Hobbit » Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:57 am

ryan wrote:I just learned that Ilia from ebikes-sf is buying a handful direct from Kenny so I have to think we're over the limit. Max, if Kenny gives you a hard time you can call his bluff. He already has enough to do a run of these motors.

But let me know the final stats. I'm waiting to send until I know how many we need. I may up my order.



Wait.... How is this guy able to buy limited numbers when the MOQ is 50. Is this just a rumour?
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Post by oatnet » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:18 am

Hobbit wrote:Wait.... How is this guy able to buy limited numbers when the MOQ is 50. Is this just a rumour?


He is ADDING to our MOQ, which is why he puts us over the limit. Some motors are shipping to europe, some to US, some to AU, and some are probably shipping in the same container as the rest if Ilia's motor. "This guy" Ilia is a treasured asset here, welcome to the sphere.

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Hobbit wrote:Wait.... How is this guy able to buy limited numbers when the MOQ is 50. Is this just a rumour?


He is ADDING to our MOQ, which is why he puts us over the limit. Some motors are shipping to europe, some to US, some to AU, and some are probably shipping in the same container as the rest if Ilia's motor. "This guy" Ilia is a treasured asset here, welcome to the sphere.

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Ah ha, much clearer now, sorry if my tone seemed offensive.
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Re: 5403/5404 US/CANADA Nov 10th deadline! UPDATE

Post by damcard » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:54 pm

Just received this from Max,

hi all,

i have been working hard to make this happen,,,we are at 21 motors but we need 9 more to make this a go,,,cut off will be nov 21st and this time for sure,,,either we will have 30 or if we are short i will try to make it happen at the number where at,,,a few dropped out but hopefully they will re-consider at this point and come back in because we are going to make the order nov 21st for sure,,,5404 Motors will have 11G phase wires and will have ss411A for hall effects , SKF or NSK bearings and Disc brake mount.

any one who wants to buy extra motors, now is the time to do so to assure this buy goes through.

sorry for all the hassles,,,,but this is it,,,, nov 21st,,,either all will be refunded 100%,,, or the buy goes through and all will get the 5404 motors.

Thanks to all for their kind patience and understanding,

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Post by itchynackers » Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:16 pm

For those of you on the fence, NOW is the time. We know for sure how many we need. 9 and counting....
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Post by itchynackers » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:49 pm

Cmon people only 9 to go for a killer motor.
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Post by qtipslea » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:41 pm

Question as a newbie to this ebike hobby.

Is this motor only geared toward "high speed" junkie? I'm reading the thread and mainly I see replies about hitting 100 KPH and such.

Why should a relatively new comers to ebike scene be interested in investing in this motor?

I'm mainly interested in the commuting aspect of ebike instead of racing. Would this make sense still?

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Post by Andje » Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:52 am

Electric motors like dd hub motors can be run at any speed voltage or amperage. So ANY motor can be geared for any application, and there will always be advantages and disadvantages. I would say that these motors are pretty much the largest heaviest motors you can easily put into a bike rim. That means they should be able to run at higher voltages and amperage's for longer without burning out because of the weight of the stator itself lending to heat sink abilities. That generally leads itself to high speed applications.
For someone interested in commuting, i would say this motor makes sense for rapid or heavy commuting, ie maybe you weigh 300 pounds and have two pannier bags and then the bike and batteries and want to move at 60km/h with traffic... But for someone of average weight wanting to do the legal 35km/h limit i would say this thing is too heavy to be worth the extra "bullet proof" ness that comes with a huge motor working not very hard. You may disagree.
The other major reason to invest now if you have 450 bucks lying around is just that this thing will never be around again. If i had the cash i'd for sure grab a couple more and look at selling em around 850 in a year when neo magnets are through the roof; a couple moths ago doc would have snapped one of these up for anything less then 1000$. If we get the motor we want here (and this is total GUESSWORK) i am fairly convinced that a larger version of the x5 would do 120km/h and hopefully 20-30kw; the regular one takes 12-15kw and goes up to 120km/h already. I don't think i'll want to go faster then that for now :P. If you wanted to only go 35 km/h then you could probably do it up a cliff. Lowracer showed the torque in a vid on like 36v 2 amps or something it was unstoppable. Pikes Peak climb on a dd hub? I'd say it's this or greyborg (although i don't think either would make it :P) So if you think you might want to go there in the future, getting this as your first motor will be one component that doesn't ever need upgrading, and it's cheap if you can wait for the shipment.

If i was new looking at commuting, I'd look at cost more then anything; dd motors don't depreciate very fast, and since this one is an investment, if i was looking to build in february right now, I'd buy this motor for sure and then sell it if it was too heavy and grab a 9c 2807.
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Post by oatnet » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:38 pm

qtipslea wrote:I'm mainly interested in the commuting aspect of ebike instead of racing. Would this make sense still?


The tradeoffs that make this a great motor for performance applications, mean that it might not be the best choice for a standard commuter bike, or for a first build. I'd probably point you towards a 9c or BMC/Mac hub motor for that, they are much lighter, cheaper, readily available, lighter, etc.

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Post by qtipslea » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:40 pm

Andje wrote:Electric motors like dd hub motors can be run at any speed voltage or amperage. So ANY motor can be geared for any application, and there will always be advantages and disadvantages. I would say that these motors are pretty much the largest heaviest motors you can easily put into a bike rim. That means they should be able to run at higher voltages and amperage's for longer without burning out because of the weight of the stator itself lending to heat sink abilities. That generally leads itself to high speed applications.
For someone interested in commuting, i would say this motor makes sense for rapid or heavy commuting, ie maybe you weigh 300 pounds and have two pannier bags and then the bike and batteries and want to move at 60km/h with traffic... But for someone of average weight wanting to do the legal 35km/h limit i would say this thing is too heavy to be worth the extra "bullet proof" ness that comes with a huge motor working not very hard. You may disagree.
The other major reason to invest now if you have 450 bucks lying around is just that this thing will never be around again. If i had the cash i'd for sure grab a couple more and look at selling em around 850 in a year when neo magnets are through the roof; a couple moths ago doc would have snapped one of these up for anything less then 1000$. If we get the motor we want here (and this is total GUESSWORK) i am fairly convinced that a larger version of the x5 would do 120km/h and hopefully 20-30kw; the regular one takes 12-15kw and goes up to 120km/h already. I don't think i'll want to go faster then that for now :P. If you wanted to only go 35 km/h then you could probably do it up a cliff. Lowracer showed the torque in a vid on like 36v 2 amps or something it was unstoppable. Pikes Peak climb on a dd hub? I'd say it's this or greyborg (although i don't think either would make it :P) So if you think you might want to go there in the future, getting this as your first motor will be one component that doesn't ever need upgrading, and it's cheap if you can wait for the shipment.

If i was new looking at commuting, I'd look at cost more then anything; dd motors don't depreciate very fast, and since this one is an investment, if i was looking to build in february right now, I'd buy this motor for sure and then sell it if it was too heavy and grab a 9c 2807.


Thank you for taking the time to write out a detail explanation!


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qtipslea wrote:I'm mainly interested in the commuting aspect of ebike instead of racing. Would this make sense still?


The tradeoffs that make this a great motor for performance applications, mean that it might not be the best choice for a standard commuter bike, or for a first build. I'd probably point you towards a 9c or BMC/Mac hub motor for that, they are much lighter, cheaper, readily available, lighter, etc.

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Thanks! I couldn't resist to ask when words like "exclusive", "rare", and "last chance" being pop up on the thread.

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