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Post by ZOMGVTEK » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:30 am

Arlo1 wrote: I dont understand how the resitance is changing so drasticly with the frequency?
It's not the resistance thats changing, its the reactive components that are changing the impedance. The 120Hz measurement is closer to a static number you would get if you connect a meter to the phases, and set it to ohms. It's simply the resistance of the wire, which should be very low. As the frequency increases, things like capacitive reactance start to take over and skew the impedance measurement.

If you take the windings out of the motor and lay them out straight, you would basically have a wire with <1Ohm of resistance. However, at frequencies the motors operate at, they can act much differently than a simple static resistor, largely due to how the windings are oriented on the stator.

Look up "frequency vs resistance" for a bit more info. I don't have a ton of experience with this stuff, so I might not be explaining it perfectly.

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Post by Doctorbass » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:45 pm

Oh.. btw.. i forgot to mention that the inductance i posted for the 5403 was took during the rotor was removed... so the inductance might be higher. i will double check that.

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Post by Arlo1 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:17 pm

Doctorbass wrote:Oh.. btw.. i forgot to mention that the inductance i posted for the 5403 was took during the rotor was removed... so the inductance might be higher. i will double check that.

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Inductance will be lower when the magnet ring is around the stator. I have mesured inductance on a few motors and its usaly 25-50% lower when the magnets are around the stator compared to having the stator removed.
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Post by Doctorbass » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:38 pm

Arlo1 wrote:
Doctorbass wrote:Oh.. btw.. i forgot to mention that the inductance i posted for the 5403 was took during the rotor was removed... so the inductance might be higher. i will double check that.

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Inductance will be lower when the magnet ring is around the stator. I have mesured inductance on a few motors and its usaly 25-50% lower when the magnets are around the stator compared to having the stator removed.

Ok, i thought it would increase because when i was playing with car audio stuff and building hi-fi crossover, when the inductor had air core the inductance was lower than the same one with iron core... but on a motor i guess it's different...
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Post by ZOMGVTEK » Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:11 pm

Is anyone running one of these 540x's on a bike yet?

I would have expected some sort of snazzy videos by now. I'm waiting on my swingarm before the bike is up and running. Even then, I will only be able to run it at about 9kW for now.

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Post by Doctorbass » Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:53 pm

:lol: 8) 8)

I like this forum ! :
I will only be able to run it at about 9kW for now.
ONLY 9kW.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

C mon !, think about those people that just bought their new 5kW kit and think they are beast! 8)

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Post by Andje » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:39 pm

5kw is so 2008.
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Post by Doctorbass » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:29 pm

Andje wrote:5kw is so 2008.

Yeah... and. 450 amp and 100vdc is so 2012! :wink:

proud to be in the 4110 team!... the 4115 can cary less power.

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Post by Deutch420 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:02 am

ZOMGVTEK wrote:Is anyone running one of these 540x's on a bike yet?

I would have expected some sort of snazzy videos by now.
My bike and go pro sit and wait.... but still no tracking number. I paid shipping 30 minutes after Max sent out the mass email asking for shipping funds. I wonder how Max prioritized this order..?
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Post by ryan » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:47 am

Me too. Max said something about some personal problems but hasn't elaborated and hasn't responded to email for the past 4 days. I'm getting concerned because I'm moving soon. I'm afraid I'll have to ship my bike before the motor even arrives. Pretty bummed.

Anyone have any other details? How's our boy Max doing? Can someone close by swing by and give him a hand with things?
Deutch420 wrote:My bike and go pro sit and wait.... but still no tracking number. I paid shipping 30 minutes after Max sent out the mass email asking for shipping funds. I wonder how Max prioritized this order..?
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Post by cassschr1 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:25 am

I think he shipped out stuff on fri. (could have been thur) after which he said it could be 2 weeks if I didn' pay that night. So I made a decision AND PAID. Cass

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Post by ryan » Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:57 pm

cassschr1 wrote:I think he shipped out stuff on fri. (could have been thur) after which he said it could be 2 weeks if I didn' pay that night. So I made a decision AND PAID. Cass
Did you get a tracking number? I heard that mine was supposed to ship a couple times. But no tracking number.

Someone should swing by and make sure he's alright and hasn't been buried alive in Chinese packing material.

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Post by Deutch420 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:45 pm

I just got my tracking number from Max tonight. Unfortunetly, the tracking number was too late. USPS claims they attempted to deliver it but no one was home. They also claim they left a note saying they attempted delivery. There is no note. I've been home all day, with another person. Ive had this problem with my driver before. I had to call and file another complaint and have it scheduled for pickup. I don't trust them that they will attempt to actually get out of the truck and walk to my door.
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Post by ryan » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:45 am

It's good it was at least shipped. I hope mine was also shipped. Eagerly/nervously awaiting confirmation.

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Post by cassschr1 » Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:19 pm

Just checked for tracking no none

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Post by ZOMGVTEK » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:07 am

Even if the motor shipped last week, its probably going to take a week to show up in CA. I'm a few hundred miles away and in the same state, so it was fairly quick. The tracking was nearly useless. It showed when he made the label, and then two days later it said 'out for delivery'.

Don't worry, it will show up eventually. Given how hard these motors are to get, and the sometimes questionable track record of group buys, thats not bad.

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Post by Deutch420 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:20 pm

So has anyone tried to install this motor on the bike yet? I just received my motor and the plastic piece that goes over the wires that come out of the axle is way too small. For me, the plastic piece is going to cut into wires if I tighten the hub. The plastic piece on my 5304 is double the size and would work perfectly if used on this hub- put the plastic piece that came with the hub is about half the size it should be. Even if I drill out the plastic piece, once I tighten the axle bolts it's going to squish the wires and most likely compromise them. What can I do aside from having a custom one made? It would appear if I use spacers or washers or anything like that it will still squeeze the phase wire once I tighten the hub.
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Post by Deutch420 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:39 pm

I pulled out the plastic piece im having problems with, and I cut it. Have I now have the maximum room possible for the phase/hall wires coming out of the hub, and it still does not fit. The plastic piece is way too small. Even if I remove the plastic piece and used washers or spacers it will still squish the wires once I tighten everything yhebaxle bolts. What is everyone else doing to fix this major major issue?
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Post by oatnet » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:43 pm

Deutch420 wrote:What is everyone else doing to fix this major major issue?
I think in Doc's review the recommendation was to ditch the plastic and run the cables out the slot in your dropouts.

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Post by Deutch420 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:06 pm

oatnet wrote:
Deutch420 wrote:What is everyone else doing to fix this major major issue?
I think in Doc's review the recommendation was to ditch the plastic and run the cables out the slot in your dropouts.

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Thanks for the reply. I tried that and the wires are still getting pinched badly at the 90° point where it bends into the hub. Once u start to tightent the bolt, u see the wire getting squished. Maybe Doc had luck BC his dropouts are really thick. Normal sized dropouts are not thick enough to give the wire the space it needs.
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Post by ryan » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:02 pm

ZOMGVTEK wrote:Don't worry, it will show up eventually.
This is exactly what I'm concerned about. I need the bike on a shipping container next week. Otherwise I need to pay to have it shipped yet again. I suppose it's only been a little over 2 weeks since he took delivery, but I'd imagine he'd want to avoid storing the motors for too long.

I'm not slamming Max. He put in a ton of work to put this together. (Big thanks, Max!) I'm was just hoping to get some mountain riding time with the motor before I move away from the mountain roads. It's not the end of the world. Just a bummer.
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Post by Deutch420 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:15 pm

So I got the hub mounted to a tire and i got everything on the bike. Sungged down the axel bolts, and the tire wouldnt spin!! So i figured the provided spacers were a "must use" spacer, not the spacers for the 150mm guys. So i tried to put the provided spacers on, and they were just too thick. Brought them over to my machinest, had him remove .150 from both of them and it works like a charm now. I assume everyone will run into this issue.
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Post by teklektik » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:20 pm

Deutch420 wrote:...the wires are still getting pinched badly at the 90° point where it bends into the hub. Once u start to tightent the bolt, u see the wire getting squished. Maybe Doc had luck BC his dropouts are really thick. Normal sized dropouts are not thick enough to give the wire the space it needs.
Go to ebikes.ca and get a C-washer or two to get a little extra room. You should be able to position them on the outside of the dropout. Cap it off with one of the SS spacer washers from that site (with the axle-shaped cutout) that won't turn so the wires won't get abraded by the nut when you run it down.
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Post by itchynackers » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:50 pm

This is the same problem we were talking of in the other thread. My plan is to get more c washers for the wire side, and more axle spacer washers for the non-wire side, so that when you clamp down, the pressure is on the washers, not the freewheel, or wires.
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Post by ryan » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:19 pm

Yes, I brought this up in DoctorBass's 5404 review thread.
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