https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 31&t=41220thedarlington wrote:these are interesting, can you point to any made packs to see how these are put together or soldered? what bms would be good for these? also shouldnt they be a bit cheaper since we dont have any canadian duties on these? good luck on the sale id be interested if i can know enough about these, right now im on headways and although heavy i like knowing that i can readily buy new ones and easily swap them out (screw on to headway main batt frame), also how readily available are these in case something went wrong? i originally wanted a123 but dealing with all the counterfeits put me off, i may be interested again for your order
Yes. JRH told me there shouldn't be any customs fees, since this is a very small order.Ypedal wrote:Devries, have you ever imported goods from china before ? ( experience dealing with customs ? )
See the OP. I'm not doing capacity testing unless "the insurance cells" are not enough to cover duds. I've done tons of cell testing with the software that I have with my Hyperion chargers. It does the capacity testing; not me.What equipment do you have and how are you proposing to test for duds ? ( important question, if someone is going to capacity test my new cells, i'd want to make sure it's done properly.. dont want to start a new pack with an over-discharge lol )
This is a coop-buy at no profit as a courtesy to other ES members from an ES member that has actively participated here since 2008. It's a far different situation that you encountered with a fraud seller recently. I have a lot of understanding about A123 cells having used the 26650 starting in 2008. I have a lot of understanding about the 20Ah cells, and anyone can check my profile & see I've started & managed the most heavily traffic'd or most viewed posted topic regarding these cell types just recently. No one has posted more on this specific topic in the last couple of months, since these cells became available recently.Are you financially stable ?.. if shit hit the fan for any reason, are you a broke ass bum ?.. or are you financially responsible type with equity ? ( Dare i mention names of past douchebags gone down that road recently .. urgh.. )
Please do and set "the policy" & apply it equally for everyone. If you're going to pop-in here to ask hard questions, then I think you're going to have to do that equally for other For Sale topics too??? I am a long-term active member, so I guess you have to be fair in the way everyone is treated as a Mod too. It can't be arbitrary, random, or sporadic in nature to be fair to all, imo.I'm seriously going to add a new section to the For Sale area ( again ) to cover some of this stuff.. i had a massive writeup a while back when knightmb was owner and it went poooof after a crash or auto-prune took it away..
Customs involves 2 things, Duties and Brokerage.Yes. JRH told me there shouldn't be any customs fees, since this is a very small order.
This "group buy" is mainly for USA shipping addresses. See the OP for details. I will reship outside the USA for a 16+ cell order, and please see the OP that explains more details & risk involved to do that. This is a not for profit endeavor, but it is also a not for losing money for anyone deal too. You get my time and work to do this for free, but this "group buy" is at shared expense money-wise.also shouldnt they be a bit cheaper since we dont have any canadian duties on these?
Sea shipping is cheap IF someone will sell the cells to you within the weight limits of government postal mail service, and you can avoid any customs hassles too. I would only do an order by Sea in Winter or very cool months to avoid possible "heat damage".scriewy wrote:what about the englishtaobao, they got low ass prices, not reliable enough for us ?
any 1 tried asking vct for sea postage ? or everybody is so unpatient ?
Hey, you've shown us the carrot; you have years of experience with shipping & support. Please share your hidden knowledge to help us out. Surely, you know most of these "loop holes".Ypedal wrote:Anything crossing a country border, has to go thru customs, no exceptions... how much you get charged to clear your good however, can vary.. this is where experience comes into play.
Hi Tom, yes, what you're thinking seems correct to me. Potentially, if we get no duds, then you could get 18 cells vs 16 cells. This assumes we continue to get a low percentage of duds from same seller. I checked with JRH, he also did a group buy, and this "dud insurance" idea worked well. I have attempted to be sure everyone will at least get their minimum number of cells. For you, that should be 16 cells, at least, assuming we do as well or even almost as well as JRH did with his group buy.Tom Tom wrote:Devries-
I'm interested in 16 cells and I live in Colorado. If I understand your group buy rules,
I would pay for 18 cells at 23 each = 414 plus shipping from Texas. Is this correct? I would then receive 16 cells with the extra 2 cells
that I pay for covering dud cell insurance?
So roughly I might owe around 450 for 16 cells shipped from Texas to Colorado?
Be very carefull with that assumption..... duties and brokerage are NOT included in any shipping quote, none that i'm aware of anyways.. ( it's not the shipping company that applies this charge.. it's US customs.. )deVries wrote:Also, I did some research with US Customs, and if DHL doesn't cover the Duty Tax in their shipping price, then there is an added 2.7% in duties added. According to JRH he did not have to pay any extra fees upon receipt of his DHL shipment, so I'm assuming this was somehow included in the shipping price he got.
Well, I can only go by what happened with JRH's USA group buy. The point is there is the possibility of having to pay the additional 2.7% in Duties. Everyone doing this "group buy" will have to assume this shared risk of possibly having to pay another 2.7% in duties plus any other brokerage fees or surprise duties.Ypedal wrote:Be very carefull with that assumption..... duties and brokerage are NOT included in any shipping quote, none that i'm aware of anyways.. ( it's not the shipping company that applies this charge.. it's US customs.. )deVries wrote:Also, I did some research with US Customs, and if DHL doesn't cover the Duty Tax in their shipping price, then there is an added 2.7% in duties added. According to JRH he did not have to pay any extra fees upon receipt of his DHL shipment, so I'm assuming this was somehow included in the shipping price he got.
edit to add : some companies are authorized customs agents, and can broker and apply duties to their own freight, so potentially possible but they need the proforma invoice provided to them before they could provide such a quote .
for example.. when i got my KMX cobra, Fedex delivered it, i signed and the driver walked away.. i was floored.. and kept my mouth shut and prayed.... 3 weeks later i got a bill in the mail from fedex logistix for the duties and brokerage..