UPDATED 04/10/15- NEW HPC REVOLUTION DH E-BIKE!

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UPDATED 04/10/15- NEW HPC REVOLUTION DH E-BIKE!

Post by hi-powercycles » Sep 25 2013 2:58pm

Hi Guys,
We have some exciting news, we have started shipping the HPC REVOLUTION. This Downhill E-bike is hand welded and 100% built here in the United States. It is designed to be the fastest, most nimble, lightest weight and most powerful downhill electric bike available anywhere. This thing is built TOUGH. It is made from 6061 T6 HAIII Hard Anodized aluminum and was built specifically to handle the rigors of heavy offroad riding at high speeds. The frame itself weighs only 12.8 lbs, and is easily one of the lightest on the market.

There will be a couple versions of the Revolution. Here are some specs.

REVOLUTION Sport 3.5-
Power- 3500W
Voltage: 78V nominal
Top Speed: 45MPH
Max Range @ 20 MPH: 40+ Miles
RockShox Domain front fork 203mm travel
RockShox kage RC rear shock- 8+" of frame travel
SRAM X7 Rear Derailluer/Shifter, 18 Speeds total
Standard CA V2.3
6061 T6 Hand Welded Built in the USA Aluminum Frame. "Revolution" Logo to be laser engraved on each side of the frame
Weight: 79 LBS
Estimated MSRP: $6995

Revolution 5.0-
Power- 5000W
Voltage: 90V
Top Speed: 50+ MPH
Max Range (@20 MPH): 50+ Miles
RockShox Boxxer front fork 203mm travel
RockShox RC2 rear shock- 8+" of frame travel
Schlumpf High Speed Drive (2.5X) Allows high speed pedaling past 50 MPH!
SRAM X9 Rear Derailluer/Shifter, 18 Speeds total
Standard CA V2.3
6061 T6 Hand Welded Built in the USA Aluminum Frame. "Revolution" Logo to be laser engraved on each side of the frame
Real carbon fiber side and controller covers
Weight: 83 LBS
Estimated MSRP: $8999

Revolution X 5.0-
Power- 5000W
Voltage: 90V
Top Speed: 50+ MPH
Max Range (@20 MPH): 50+ Miles
RockShox Boxxer World Cup Keronite front fork 203mm travel
RockShox VIVID RC2 rear air shock- 8+" of frame travel
Schlumpf High Speed Drive (2.5X) Allows high speed pedaling past 50 MPH!
SRAM X0 Rear Derailluer/Shifter, 20 Speeds total
6061 T6 Hand Welded Built in the USA Aluminum Frame. "Revolution" Logo to be laser engraved on each side of the frame
Real carbon fiber side and controller covers
Weight: 81 LBS
Estimated MSRP: $11,000

Revolution X 6.0-
Power- 6000W
Voltage: 104V
Top Speed: 60MPH
Max Range (@20 MPH): 60+ Miles
RockShox Boxxer World Cup Keronite front fork 203mm travel
RockShox VIVID RC2 rear air shock- 8+" of frame travel
Schlumpf High Speed Drive (2.5X) Allows high speed pedaling past 50 MPH!
SRAM X0 Rear Derailluer/Shifter, 20 Speeds total
6061 T6 Hand Welded Built in the USA Aluminum Frame. "Revolution" Logo to be laser engraved on each side of the frame
Real carbon fiber side and controller covers
Weight: 87 LBS
Estimated MSRP: $13,000

These bikes are made as recreational vehicles and are offroad use only! First Run is sold out, second batch is coming in 6 weeks. The 5,000W and 6,000W versions have motors with redesigned magnetics to optimize operation at 90 and 104V. These motors have been torture tested at 8000W+ on our test bikes and perform amazingly. We will show a preview of our new mid drive system on ES as well. This will be available on the Revolution as soon as it is ready. We are looking to place a 2,500W mid-drive as well as a 4,000W mid-drive on the Revolution at a later date! The mid-drives will be assembled here in the USA as well. ALL will have optional battery systems well over 2,000Wh! Here are the Standard Colors:
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Post by snellemin » Sep 25 2013 4:12pm

Cool looking. What about just selling the frame for the DIY peeps?
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Post by oatnet » Sep 25 2013 5:06pm

snellemin wrote:Cool looking. What about just selling the frame for the DIY peeps?
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Post by Samd » Sep 25 2013 6:34pm

Looks good - how many watt hours are on board please? Which battery chemistry?
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Post by hi-powercycles » Sep 25 2013 7:01pm

Actually, we are seriously contemplating offering the frames only to ES Members. We will not offer them to the public in general, but possibly as a special run for you guys in a few months. We should be able to offer a bare aluminum version, a gun metal grey polished HA III brushed aluminum version, and a clear coat HAIII brushed aluminum version as well! I will not be sure of pricing until we start building these in large quantities, since right now it is tremendously expensive to do a few at a time. Otherwise if you don't want to wait too long, Phasor Cycles makes a great DIY frame that we recommend. It holds up very well to DH abuse and higher speeds.

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Post by hi-powercycles » Sep 25 2013 7:11pm

The 3500W system is about 962Wh
The 5000W system is about 1170Wh- to possibly 1600Wh with the new batteries which are getting made soon
The 6000W system is about 1352Wh- to possibly 2000Wh with some new batteries we are looking at.

These batteries are based on our HPC Elite line of batteries which are a very lightweight and high performance Li-NMC pack. The focus now is on keeping this thing light weight, nimble and efficient. We will work on another bike down the line which can fit a HUGE amount of batteries inside its frame- anywhere from 2300Wh to 2700Wh.

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Post by snellemin » Sep 25 2013 9:51pm

I'm down for a raw aluminum one.
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Post by mvly » Sep 25 2013 10:46pm

Wow nice. I hope those speed is sustained. : )

The frame itself doesn't seem yo allow a whole lot of battery. But hey we here at endless sphere can always hack it to support more battery if need be.

Great looking bike. If it is reliable, it might give other similar ebike so run for its money.

Great to see more high power production ebike on the market. More competition and choices.

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Post by Rodney64 » Sep 25 2013 10:56pm

Nice frame, whats the internal dimentions of the battery compartment if you dont mind me asking.

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Post by ohzee » Sep 26 2013 2:39am

Look's sharp. Wish you luck in success.

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Post by nechaus » Sep 26 2013 3:27am

Finally, your making something worthwhile,

The price is pretty hi, like, i would not personally purchase something like this for the price,
But hey, plenty out there that would id imagine.

What controller and motor are you using ?
BMS?
Charger?
close up of the drop out?

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Post by wojtek » Sep 26 2013 4:07am

happy to see more and more ebike specific frames appearing on the market! especially for off-road!

frameset alone will be available for international members please? if so how much? what is the weight of the frame alone? and the dropout 150mm? with torque arm screws?
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Post by dogman dan » Sep 26 2013 5:55am

Wish I could ride off road and still be able to hang on to one of those. I just don't have the balls to ride dirt at 50 mph anymore.

It would be really great to see an ES regular review one, Mad Rhino for example rides dirt like a madman. It looks like a fine bike truly worthy of the HPC branding. Can't wait to see it reviewed by somebody.

I don't have much choice but to move this to for sale new.

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Post by migueralliart » Sep 26 2013 9:44am

oatnet wrote:
snellemin wrote:Cool looking. What about just selling the frame for the DIY peeps?
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Post by wojtek » Sep 26 2013 9:45am

migueralliart wrote:
oatnet wrote:
snellemin wrote:Cool looking. What about just selling the frame for the DIY peeps?
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Post by pdf » Sep 26 2013 9:46am

migueralliart wrote:
oatnet wrote:
snellemin wrote:Cool looking. What about just selling the frame for the DIY peeps?
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Post by pchen92 » Sep 26 2013 10:13am

Good looking :D

But the seatpost seems too at the rear of the bike (like on DH bikes but for road or trail/forest use, it's useless). Power wheelies will be too easy :mrgreen:

2700Wh batteries are useless. The bike will be too heavy and for offroad you will be two times exhausted before running out of battery. What about prices ? 15000$ ? :?
60mph seems useless and dangerous. Range will be ridiculous and efficiency at lower speed too. 45mph is a great goal. It's a bicycle not a motorbike.

Also what's the motor ? x5404 ?

Is it the real weight of the bikes ? With battery ? Kind of low...

6000W for 100km/h would take a loooooong time to get there. A slower wind motor @ 6000W will be perfect for people who want more torque and less speed (45mph for example). I ran a 13 000W bike with Cromotor a few times at 80km/h and it takes a good while to get there. I like power wheelies, not low acceleration and high speed 8)
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Post by mattrb » Sep 26 2013 10:23am

pchen92 wrote:Also what's the motor ? x5404 ?
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Post by QuestionMan » Sep 26 2013 11:27am

pchen92 wrote:


2700Wh batteries are useless. The bike will be too heavy and for offroad you will be two times exhausted before running out of battery. What about prices ? 15000$ ? :?
60mph seems useless and dangerous. Range will be ridiculous and efficiency at lower speed too. 45mph is a great goal. It's a bicycle not a motorbike.
I agree somewhat about getting exhausted at 2700WH, as it seems 1500WH I am somewhat exhausted. It is good to know that other people realize that electric bikes can be very exhausting because my family/friends think I shouldn't be tired at all because I have a motor on he bike.

But I don't know if I would consider this useless. I used to charge my 1700WH setup, go out and run the bike, come home and recharge again for another run. I could use 2700 for those long trips when I drive to different areas to off-road.

The other issue is weight. I don't think the increased weight would matter that much? Actually I really think increased weight gives off-road bikes better traction and with proper suspension you will not feel it at all. Does bike weight vs rider weight make a huge difference? Say if I'm 150lbs, and your 200lbs. Can I get away with more batteries?

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Post by hi-powercycles » Sep 26 2013 12:11pm

Availability: For those asking, yes, we going to sell a few frames to ES members when everything is ironed out. It will not be for sale to the general public, and might only be a one time thing. Once the final prototype has been thoroughly tested we will put a few up for sale here on the forums.

Weight: In regards to the actual weights, yes, these are correct at least for this prototype. I put it on the shipping scale two days ago with everything on it including brakes, chain, tires, batteries, etc.

Speed: We have already been dialing in the power system for a while now. All speeds are based off a maximum speed on a fresh charge. The bikes are NOT intended to be traveling at such high speeds for extended periods of time. It is honestly just a dangerous proposition unless you are on wide open, completely flat ground, which for most people is almost impossible to find. To make things a bit safer at speeds, we developed the HPC Aeroshield (high speed aerodynamic windshield) concurrently with the Revolution. It makes the bike much more aerodynamic and allows for downforce over the front wheel. The difference this thing makes at high speeds is incredible, there is no high speed jitter, the ride is just calm and composed, 50+ MPH is no drama whatsoever and feels like 30 mph or less and the bike feels very stable and planted. Top speed and efficiency is raised by an average of 10% at higher speeds. Right now the only thing we are contemplating changing is the top speed of the Revolution X. RIght now it can do 60 mph with no aero aids. This means about 66 MPH with the Aeroshield. Since the X version comes standard with the Aeroshield, We might increase the torque constant of the motor, and bring top speed down to 60 MPH with the Aeroshield installed, or 55 MPH with no aero aid. All in all, when people by a bike like this, they will have to sign documentation and have a lengthy chat with us about user responsibility since misuse of such a fast bike will be detrimental to our sport. I want people to treat these as they would a Ferrari- use it for fun and excitement in short bursts when it is responsible to do so. Although your car may do 200 MPH, most people use them responsibly and within the letter of the law. Same for this bike, although it maybe capable of going 60 MPH, it doesn't mean you always have to push the envelope. I want people to stay safe.

Motor: Motor is an extensive redesign of our already modified 35mm and 40mm custom manufactured Crystalyte motors. We also have a custom made slimmed down TC motor that has lost about 5 lbs and can fit in a 10 speed freewheel in our 150mm dropout. We will be using one of these two motors in the final production version. Both motors are made expressly for either 90V or 100V operation, and efficiency is increased greatly at higher power levels at these voltages. This keeps motor temps in check. Although all motors have built in temp monitoring as well.

Battery Box: Approximately 6.5" x 4" x 18". Plus there is room in the section holding the seatpost for DIY's using small lipo packs. If you are after maximum battery space, the Phasor frame might be a better choice. Thanks!
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Post by pdf » Sep 26 2013 12:49pm

What batter(ies) are you going to put in it? That is, what type/whose cells and how configured?
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Post by mattrb » Sep 26 2013 1:07pm

pdf wrote: That is, what type/whose cells and how configured?
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Post by migueralliart » Sep 26 2013 3:02pm

hi-powercycles wrote:
Battery Box: Approximately 6.5" x 4" x 18".
Is this the AVAILABLE space? If it is then I reckon I can put a 20S8P pack in there made of high power Samsung cells :D

Put me down for one frame whenever is available. I'm very interested.

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Post by pendragon8000 » Oct 04 2013 6:02pm

hi-powercycles wrote:Actually, we are seriously contemplating offering the frames only to ES Members. We will not offer them to the public in general, but possibly as a special run for you guys in a few months. We should be able to offer a bare aluminum version, a gun metal grey polished HA III brushed aluminum version, and a clear coat HAIII brushed aluminum version as well! I will not be sure of pricing until we start building these in large quantities, since right now it is tremendously expensive to do a few at a time. Otherwise if you don't want to wait too long, Phasor Cycles makes a great DIY frame that we recommend. It holds up very well to DH abuse and higher speeds.

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That's interesting.
I like the frame you've come up with. I'm desighning something similar. What's the deal with the DIY frame?
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Post by hi-powercycles » Dec 05 2013 7:22pm

Quick update:
We finished designing the final prototype of the Revolution. Stress testing is complete- we have definitely overbuilt this thing! We have changed the rear swingarm design and shock mounting locations. We have an adjustable rear shock mount and slightly adjustable head tube angles as well. The swing arm design offers progressive wheel travel much like a dirt bike that will allow some initial squat and get a bit stiffer throughout the travel range. The bike has been designed to be able to be pedaled with a high degree of performance and can be used as an ULTRA heavy duty downhill rig without electric power if the user wishes. We will offer an initial run of frames for those of you looking for the ultimate lightweight DIY platform. These frames are hand welded by a highly esteemed aerospace company here in Los Angeles, CA. Their work is outstanding. Here is a picture of what it will look like. Battery box dimensions as of right now are: 138mm x 428mm x 94mm. This could change slightly, but we will see how this final round of testing goes!

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