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Post by DasDouble » Nov 12 2015 12:42pm

Adaptto E-Drives Lab wrote:
Mammalian04 wrote:EDITED:

Adaptto E-Drives Lab, is this something you could post on your website or a link it here or should we all email you for the firmware? As a side question, why not on the web site?

Thanks!

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Hello,
Such firmware is needed by only a small number of users. In addition regular firmwares are upgraded with higher frequency than protected FW does (so it is better not to confuse customers).
That is why it is only available upon email request.

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Did I understand that right? This firmware is in every controller of Adappto. Right?
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Post by Adaptto E-Drives Lab » Nov 13 2015 2:33am

DasDouble wrote:
Adaptto E-Drives Lab wrote:
Mammalian04 wrote:EDITED:

Did I understand that right? This firmware is in every controller of Adappto. Right?
No, if you need such firmware to be able to set password for switching between power profiles - you need to contact us via techsupport@adaptto.com.

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Post by DasDouble » Nov 13 2015 11:15am

Adaptto E-Drives Lab wrote:No, if you need such firmware to be able to set password for switching between power profiles - you need to contact us via techsupport@adaptto.com.

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Ouh ok allright. So when I get my controller from Vector, I gonna contact you :)
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Post by Xantho » Nov 13 2015 12:26pm

Hello Adaptto,
regarding this password profile switching firmware I have a question that probably many of us ebikers have before doing risky firmware changing with probably loosing warranty.
Imagine you drive in boost mode, then you suddenly :shock: have to change to Eco mode. Is therfor a password necessary? I hope not because this takes time. We need to switch to Eco mode with touching one button and to get back to normal or boost mode then we need the password protection. How did you realize it? Thanks in advance.
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Post by DasDouble » Nov 13 2015 12:35pm

Wait.... what? If you change the firmware to this passwort firmware. Do you loose your waranty? Or did I understand something wrong?
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Post by Mammalian04 » Nov 13 2015 2:52pm

No, not unless you use the unlocked firmware that allows more power than recommended.

If you are using the locked firmware you can switch between locked firmware all day long and keep the warranty.

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Post by Xantho » Nov 14 2015 3:28pm

My point is not loosing the warranty changing the firmware (opening the display could probably lead to a warranty loss...I don`t care).
I definetely need an answer to the following :
Imagine you drive in boost mode, then you suddenly :shock: have to change to Eco mode. Is therfor a password necessary?
I hope not because this takes time. We need to switch to Eco mode with touching one button and to get back to normal or boost mode then we need the password protection. How did Adaptto realize it? I hope to get a firmware exactly like I have described. Otherwise I have to do unsmart mechanical changes... Here would a software solution make sense! I will get this new firmware soon but still don`t know if it fullfills my needs.
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Post by Allex » Nov 14 2015 4:06pm

When upgrading to new firmware you just need to loosen all four screws a few mm, then slide the SD card without fully opening the case. Warranty will be intact
The modified psw firmware works in such way that when you are in Boost more you can turn down to Eco without password. When you are in Eco you will need to enter a password for normal mode. Once you are in normal mode you can go further to Boost mode without typing in the password and of course, klicking once again gets you to Eco mode without password.
So once you are in Eco you will be locked to that mode until you reenter a password for normal and boost modes.
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Post by DasDouble » Nov 14 2015 4:28pm

@Allex: I didnt know that. Thank you for this information...!

2.) Do you recomment the old version of the Mini-E (6kW peak)? Havent planed to go over the 6kW but maybe because of something else...?
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Post by Rix » Nov 14 2015 6:52pm

DasDouble wrote:@Allex: I didnt know that. Thank you for this information...!

2.) Do you recomment the old version of the Mini-E (6kW peak)? Havent planed to go over the 6kW but maybe because of something else...?
I am betting Allex will recommend the Midi E. :lol:

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Post by DasDouble » Nov 14 2015 7:07pm

Rix wrote:
DasDouble wrote:@Allex: I didnt know that. Thank you for this information...!

2.) Do you recomment the old version of the Mini-E (6kW peak)? Havent planed to go over the 6kW but maybe because of something else...?
I am betting Allex will recommend the Midi E. :lol:
yeah but the old mini e is cheaper
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Post by Rix » Nov 14 2015 9:23pm

DasDouble wrote:
Rix wrote:
DasDouble wrote:@Allex: I didnt know that. Thank you for this information...!

2.) Do you recomment the old version of the Mini-E (6kW peak)? Havent planed to go over the 6kW but maybe because of something else...?
I am betting Allex will recommend the Midi E. :lol:
yeah but the old mini e is cheaper
This is also true.

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Post by madin88 » Nov 15 2015 3:54am

thanks for the Infos Allex. Thats a nice feature.
about the black style display:
does the housing have improvements compared to the older green display or is it only different color?
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Post by Xantho » Nov 15 2015 9:57am

Thanks Alex,that is exactly the info I needed and once again Adaptto implemented a great feature in a perfect way.
30 minutes ago I did my first test drive with my new max-e from Alex. In comparison to my 18FET Infineon it is silent and the torque control is great. The programming features are all I need. Even the connectors are better than these of other controllers. If I knew earlier what I know now I would not have spent my time in tuning (SW change with hexeditor, thermal foil, doubling shunts, changing voltage divider, powersupply) Infineon controllers into high power packages that in the end lead to difficult to drive bikes because of this damn speed control by being noisy (by the way Crown is not as noisy as Cromotor).
Maybe I can help newbies who want an highpower bike and aren`t easily being satisfied,
with this clear statement: Buy an Adaptto and you can get it from Alex.
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Post by Allex » Nov 15 2015 5:10pm

DasDouble, if you can find older mini then go for it, the price is very good on that one!
Madin, same design just diff. color.
Xantho, thank you!

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Post by Rix » Nov 15 2015 7:17pm

Xantho wrote: (by the way Crown is not as noisy as Cromotor).

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So you are running the MAX E with a Crown motor?

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Post by Microbatman » Nov 15 2015 10:32pm

Any plans to make a controller that will support 100+ volts?
The reason for asking is all about battery choices.

Your current controllers are not compatible with running Four 6cell packs in series. That = more than 100 volts.
A typical setup using your current controller would be Four 5cell packs in series so you would be less than 100Volts

For example. I have a crystalyte X5304.
My X5304 does much better at higher volts. >80

It does not like running a 20cell lipo setup as much as a 24 cell lipo setup.
So if I buy your controller I am forced to shop around for lipos in 5 cell configurations.

There are NOT a lot of choices in lipo land of 5cell packs.
There are many 6cell choices in lipo land.

So buying the controller as you have it now = limiting my battery shopping choices to 5s configurations as 6s will be over your limits.
No I do not want to buy 18650s. I have made my own pack out of A123 from dewalt tools and have converted to regular lipos because I want to have less complexity of lots of little cells. (yes I am sure others can argue that lots of little cells are better but they cant argue that they introduce more points of failure.) Now that there are lipo companies making big cell lipos, I want to buy a 10,000mah6s or larger and run 4 of them in series=100 volts.
Yes I know you can increase the amps to make up for the lower volts but I want to buy battery packs in 6cell format due to the fact that there are many more choices there. Hardy anyone (yes Zippy and Turnigy) makes 5slipos. Yes I know I can run lower volts<100 and add amps but that will limit speed. Yes I know your controller spins motors faster than others competitors but it does not change the KV of the motor.
So are you planning on offering a controller that is compatible with a 24s lipo configuration?
I hope you understand my request is not one of efficiency or other technical issues.
Its about having a controller that give you more choices when buying large cell 8000Mah+ lipo batteries.
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Post by jmz » Nov 16 2015 12:55am

At this stage I really doubt it, because 100V is really a significant inflection point for MOSFET Rdson. The next step that makes it worthwhile is at 150V, and then you are talking about significantly re-dimensioning motor kVs and packs (optimal 18650 packs being 32S-34S at that stage).


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Post by Allex » Nov 16 2015 2:28am

jup, this has been covered in the very first page:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 90#p869155

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Post by Microbatman » Nov 16 2015 9:56am

Allex wrote:jup, this has been covered in the very first page:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 90#p869155

There are others that disagree

"If you do not have anything else in the controller holding you back from running up to 125V, you could greatly improve it by switching to IRFP4568 MOSFETs and 150v rated caps. No need to worry about the RDSon, both of the MOSFETs are low being 2.6mOhm and 5.9mOhm respectively. Heat lost to conduction losses is squat compared to everything else. "


Yes It has been covered in the first page I can see your link to that.
It has also been talke about on the second page of this tread by a very reputable person "Zombiess"
Zombiess is the USA distributor for Cromotors. I think he knows his stuff.

To read Zombiess entire post about using IRFP4568 read here.

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 0&start=25

I hold a lot of credibility in his comments.
My conclusion is to build a controller that is capable of doing greater than 100 Volts. That = more battery shopping choices.
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Post by Xantho » Nov 16 2015 12:14pm

I agree with Microbatman. Yesterday I was so happy that my adaptto max e works. I was euphoric because of the controlability of the bike and the silence. I had to switch from 24s to 21s for all of that. Today I wanted to increase the power and wheel like with my Infineon 18FET with 24s Lipo (wheelies at >40km/h). Big disappointment . The controller shows 90A battery current (although I have limited it to 80A!?). The voltage drop is 8V (much too high). The front wheel stays always on the ground. I hope I made a mistake and will find it.
Nevertheless I had built a 31s Lipo and I would love to use it. Many motors are at their full glory at voltages above 100V (130V!). An Adaptto with all it`s nice features for 135V max battery voltage is all I need :D !
It makes no sense designing a controller for maximum power with 100V MOSFETs when the the motor can´t be pushed to it`s maximum and even more important tortureing your very expensive battery with extreme currents with never getting to top speeds.
Many Electric and hybrid cars work with 450V at the moment. Some think of going to 800V+
For many years 100V MOSEFTs have been the limit but today the limit is at 150V. Above 150V MOSFETs have to compare with IGBTs.
Please Adaptto make at least a few of these 150V controllers for ES members or tell us what to do to rework these controllers by ourselves.
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Post by Xantho » Nov 16 2015 12:18pm

Rix wrote:
Xantho wrote: (by the way Crown is not as noisy as Cromotor).

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So you are running the MAX E with a Crown motor?

No, Infineon with crown.
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Post by madin88 » Nov 16 2015 12:46pm

Xantho wrote: It makes no sense designing a controller for maximum power with 100V MOSFETs when the the motor can´t be pushed to it`s maximum and even more important tortureing your very expensive battery with extreme currents with never getting to top speeds.
it doesn't matter for battery costs, and performance if you have for instance 10s10p or 20s5p
the 10p battery would have 4 times lowers resistance and can put out exactly the same power with exactly the same eff.
if you want higher speed just take a motor with a higher kV and make sure all wires are large enough to keep losse low.

im quite sure the 100V Adaptto would be be ahead of a version with the 150V mosfets - at least when we talk about continuous power..
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Post by Allex » Nov 16 2015 1:19pm

I am not an expret but will just quote another expert in this, Luke, you all probably know who he is?
"We live in an age where we see a lot of silly stuff being done today that folks will be laughing about in a few years as EV powertrain concepts mature."
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 5#p1089414

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