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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by Cowardlyduck » Apr 22 2014 6:00am

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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by ridethelightning » Apr 23 2014 3:56am

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here u can see the doubled up phase wire plug(blue xt150) so that the the positive charge lead from the inductor can be plugged into the phase wire while the phase wire plug is still connected to the motor.
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here are my first charge tests with the adaptto max-e charge choke
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starting off at only 750w or so, to see how much heat is generated by components, 24v supply.
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happy to see the arse of the hyperion 1420i in the background!!! was a completely annoying charger, and it meant splitting my pack to charge every time
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here is my attempt at a DIY choke that failed spectacularly. it got wicked hot when charging above 5A or so.iductor was probably wrong type and definately too small.
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hoping to charge at 20A or so,and use an onboard compact psu, will do more tests soon.

interesting that when you change the charge settings, the charge stops momentarily and then ramps up slowly again.
also noted a quiet but audable bleeping inside the controller during charging.
mosfet temp(read from health monitor) was 42C degrees during charge at this current setting.
the inductor and caps were barely warm.
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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by Dark Knight » Apr 23 2014 5:27am

Good info rtl - nice to see real world uses/examples. Keep it coming!

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Post by ridethelightning » Apr 23 2014 5:56am

Cheers DK

i thought id post this as there are very little pics available of how it wires up, and was somewhat confusing because the manual does have a diagram, but the charge choke does not come with a "T" adapter for the phase wire connection. there were some russian guys a bit confused on the electrotransport forum too, so i diddnt feel too dumb :D

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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by ecruz » Apr 24 2014 12:15pm

This BMS Controller is sounding amazing!!!

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Post by madin88 » Apr 27 2014 3:57am

for the latest firmware i have some suggestions to improve:

- the controller acts very jerky at the event of low voltage cut off and high voltage cut off. this is really bad apart from the good rest. can the software be changed to make it more smooth?.

- in the menu you can change the type of thermistor two times (in different categories). this is some kind of confusing. i think on time should be enough.

- the adjustable values in the entire controller menu do behave strange. for example i want to set to exact 60A, but it looks like this: 59.5, 59.8, 60.3, 60,9 and so on. it would be fine if we can set accurate to a tenth for all kind of settings.

- the main battery voltage does not show tenth. i know there is not much space at this display area, but i think there will be an option to show.
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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by ridethelightning » Apr 27 2014 6:21am

here are my latest charge tests at 1180w or so.

battery is 22s liion samsung 20R. 84v20ah.

psu 24v 50A rated.

pics in cronological order.

i have not wired the bms up yet, cells pre-balenced on hyperion.


i only charged to 70% this time as i will not be riding for a couple days and want to leave the battery in store soc.

it looks like i could expect 50C+ fet temps if i charged to 100%

i think it may be more efficient to charge with say 40v or more supply volotage, get lower temps, but im not worried with it the way it is.

the caps and inductor (charge choke)stayed at say 35-40C or so during this charge.
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fets temps have risen a bit already, from about 24Cambient
note- no motor temp sensor confugured, but motor cool to touch.
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charge status screen
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62%charge...
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corresponding fet temp rise
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and 70%charge..
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corresponding fet temp rise
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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by GiantEV » Apr 28 2014 10:34am

ridethelightning wrote:here are my first charge tests with the adaptto max-e charge choke
Is this the smaller coil?

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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by upek » Apr 28 2014 1:41pm

Big Coil(rated at 70A input) and MAX-E

My first charge results with MINI-E and small coil:
Power supply - 24V, current limit set to 30A(maximum allowed on mini and small coil)
Battery - 14s li-po ~58V output voltage
Charge time - 45min
Ambient temp - 25C, motor stays cool
Mosfet temp at end of charge: 63C (enclosed in fiberglass battbox)
Coil - significantly warm, about 45C
Capacitors at coils plug - hot, around 60C

I hope that with high PSU voltage controller will be cooler, but capacitors temp is little worrying.

Maybe when wires between capacitors and controller will be shorter, they will stay cooler.
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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by ridethelightning » Apr 28 2014 5:44pm

thanks for posting that upek
great to see a comparison between controllers/coils.

-i did see a post by adaptto edrives, jeka, that suggested shortest,fattest wires possible between supply and choke plug, and that my mean all the way to conteroller i guesse.

i think there will be much cooler temps with say 40v supply.

im really keen to see how much cooler.

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Post by Hyena » Apr 28 2014 6:26pm

This coil charging thing is pretty cool. What we need now is for it to work in a step down fashion with a rectifier to charge direct from the mains :)
I guess that adds an added electrocution risk though for people playing with DIY setups like this...
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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by Longshot » May 01 2014 3:13pm

Can I buy a max-e with everything for my raptor cromotor build yet?

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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by ridethelightning » May 01 2014 11:16pm

max-e s are sold out at the mo.
will be more coming in a couple months....they said...

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Post by xenodius » May 03 2014 1:29am

Hyena wrote:This coil charging thing is pretty cool. What we need now is for it to work in a step down fashion with a rectifier to charge direct from the mains :)
I guess that adds an added electrocution risk though for people playing with DIY setups like this...
I would shit bricks for this. It would make everything so portable...

Couldn't you just add a GFCI?

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Post by trevc2 » May 03 2014 1:38am

I'm looking for a light/small server power supply that I'll carry on the bike with the Max-E+BMS. On-board charging will be great.
xenodius wrote:
Hyena wrote:This coil charging thing is pretty cool. What we need now is for it to work in a step down fashion with a rectifier to charge direct from the mains :)
I guess that adds an added electrocution risk though for people playing with DIY setups like this...
I would shit bricks for this. It would make everything so portable...

Couldn't you just add a GFCI?

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Post by Allex » May 04 2014 8:25am

Here is my charging setup, 1500W (PSU@55V30A)
Turnigy 10AWG wires to a 30A coil with a Speakon Connector to the bike.
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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by Rix » May 04 2014 9:21am

These controllers are so awesome, truly an innovative setup. Someday, she will be mine :mrgreen:

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Post by Offroader » May 04 2014 10:28am

This is indeed a great controller. I have always dreamed about being able to hook up each individual cell to my cycle analyst and this does just that.

I assume you still have to balance charge the pack if you want to balance all the cells? I don't think the BMS can actually do that am I correct?

When charging through the Max-E with 18s Lipo, what is the most powerful charger you can hook up to it? Can you hook up like a 60 volt 70 amp power supply?

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Post by Allex » May 04 2014 11:15am

It will balance the cells when you charge throu the controller.
60v70A should be fine. as long your pack is never below 60v. PSU needs to have a lower voltage than your battery.

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Post by Ohbse » May 04 2014 4:52pm

My mini-e, 20s BMS, large charging coil turned up today :)

Can't wait to get this thing hooked up! Everything is smaller/lighter than I was expecting, very impressed thus far.

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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by ridethelightning » May 04 2014 6:11pm

Allex wrote:Here is my charging setup, 1500W (PSU@55V30A)
Turnigy 10AWG wires to a 30A coil with a Speakon Connector to the bike.
thats a sweet looking unit alex.

where did you come by that may i ask?

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Post by Allex » May 04 2014 6:36pm

From Andrey :)

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Post by xenodius » May 05 2014 8:13am

Allex wrote:Here is my charging setup, 1500W (PSU@55V30A)
Turnigy 10AWG wires to a 30A coil with a Speakon Connector to the bike.
That is a tiny power supply for that power! What did it cost you? What model is it? That could so easily tuck behind the seat on my KMX...

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Post by trevc2 » May 05 2014 9:01am

Same question here. Is it one of the HP models?

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Post by Allex » May 05 2014 11:29am

I think Mr Andrey have a few left. Check price with him. It is not a HP/Dell...

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