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Re: Advanced ADAPTTO controllers and compatible products

Post by BCTECH » Aug 29 2018 3:42pm

evolutiongts wrote:
Aug 29 2018 2:54pm
BCTECH wrote:
Aug 29 2018 10:29am
I had 2 times broken down and sent for repair. now it becomes pretty reliable actually. love and hate, like a gf.
Their respond is very slow but they are still repairing it instead of ignoring you completely like most small companies when they are not selling anything.
I still like my adaptto. charging on board, field tweaking, compact size,... at least I couldn't find any same level replacement over years.
what surprise me is so far no clone of this from China
What about a ASI controller? They are also compact, programmable via bluetooth, reliable (almost a year with my setup and zero issues) and quite powerful.
asi could be another choice. my concern is they don't give much support to end user. I have asked questions couple times but they never respond.

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Re: Advanced ADAPTTO controllers and compatible products

Post by evolutiongts » Aug 29 2018 4:20pm

BCTECH wrote:
Aug 29 2018 3:42pm
evolutiongts wrote:
Aug 29 2018 2:54pm
BCTECH wrote:
Aug 29 2018 10:29am
I had 2 times broken down and sent for repair. now it becomes pretty reliable actually. love and hate, like a gf.
Their respond is very slow but they are still repairing it instead of ignoring you completely like most small companies when they are not selling anything.
I still like my adaptto. charging on board, field tweaking, compact size,... at least I couldn't find any same level replacement over years.
what surprise me is so far no clone of this from China
What about a ASI controller? They are also compact, programmable via bluetooth, reliable (almost a year with my setup and zero issues) and quite powerful.
asi could be another choice. my concern is they don't give much support to end user. I have asked questions couple times but they never respond.
Your right they don’t, but I am a vendor for ASI and I support all ASI controllers that I sell. 😀
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Re: Advanced ADAPTTO controllers and compatible products

Post by Merlin » Aug 29 2018 4:36pm

ASI is on my list but atm i dont know if theres any "Display" on the Market to use ASI Controllers.
If you are dealign with them....can you post screenshots from the software?
how to setup a new motor and stuff like that.

i think the biggest is a beast but no one is trying ....adaptto is or was same expensive but yea they had a display to programm everthingy and that was nice.

how can i programm the asi? BT? wire? serial? usb?

iam horny as hell how they compare to adapttos.

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Re: Advanced ADAPTTO controllers and compatible products

Post by BCTECH » Aug 29 2018 5:15pm

good to know at least there is local vendor support
few questions would be:
what are the warranty terms on these controllers?
+ Merlin's questions :mrgreen:

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Re: Advanced ADAPTTO controllers and compatible products

Post by evolutiongts » Aug 29 2018 5:19pm

Merlin wrote:
Aug 29 2018 4:36pm
ASI is on my list but atm i dont know if theres any "Display" on the Market to use ASI Controllers.
If you are dealign with them....can you post screenshots from the software?
how to setup a new motor and stuff like that.

i think the biggest is a beast but no one is trying ....adaptto is or was same expensive but yea they had a display to programm everthingy and that was nice.

how can i programm the asi? BT? wire? serial? usb?

iam horny as hell how they compare to adapttos.
Yeah definately, I don’t want to turn this thread into the ASI thread so I am going to start a new thread probably today.

The ASI controllers supports many of the Chinese ebike display protocol like Bafang, King Meter, SWLCD. I’m working on a color display right now.

Very easy to program, I’m working on Documentation.

You can program it via the Bluetooth App (BacDoor which is supported by IOS and Android). Or you can use a TTL cable.

I’ve attached some of the software screens.

You enter your battery specs, motor specs like pole pairs, guess the max rpm. Then the motor auto tune will figure the rest like Rs Ls, motor RPM, hall sensor table.
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Re: Advanced ADAPTTO controllers and compatible products

Post by evolutiongts » Aug 29 2018 5:21pm

BCTECH wrote:
Aug 29 2018 5:15pm
good to know at least there is local vendor support
few questions would be:
what are the warranty terms on these controllers?
+ Merlin's questions :mrgreen:
1 Year Manufacturers Warranty against defects. I fact I had one controller was defective, ASI emailed me a RMA and a return label with UPS pickup free of charge It will be on to way back to Canada for review and replacement.
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Re: Advanced ADAPTTO controllers and compatible products

Post by evolutiongts » Aug 29 2018 5:33pm

I hardly look at my Cycle Analyst display but that will be replaced soon hopefully.

I often run the datalogger on all my rides, it is very useful for tuning for purposes. I also use the data from my datalogger for my gauge overlays in all my videos.

This is from the ASI BAC 4000 32KW
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Re: Advanced ADAPTTO controllers and compatible products

Post by evolutiongts » Aug 29 2018 5:43pm

Size wise they are very compact especially for the power that they put out.

ASI BAC 8000 54KW 730A
ASI BAC 4000 32KW 463A
ASI BAC 2000 20KW? Still in development
ASI BAC 800 6KW

My ASI 4000 puts out 273A @ 74V
78mph with a MXUS 3K w/ 16” wheel field weakening

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Re: Advanced ADAPTTO controllers and compatible products

Post by evolutiongts » Aug 29 2018 6:42pm

Merlin wrote:
Aug 29 2018 6:27pm
what dimensions have the 4000/8000 controller?

pm me for prices please =)
Here are the dimensions.
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Re: Advanced ADAPTTO controllers and compatible products

Post by evolutiongts » Aug 29 2018 8:45pm

I wouldn’t recommend over 20S to be honest with you since the caps are rated up to 100V. The field weakening is so good I know a guy that hit 88mph on 20S GPS verified.

I suppose you could run 22S but charge to 4.15V / cell and definately Limit regen power until you drop under 90V (SOC fold back) the controller can limit regen until your voltage drops to a safe level.
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Re: Advanced ADAPTTO controllers and compatible products

Post by madin88 » Aug 30 2018 2:37am

evolutiongts wrote:
Aug 29 2018 5:19pm
The ASI controllers supports many of the Chinese ebike display protocol like Bafang, King Meter, SWLCD. I’m working on a color display right now.
Sounds good, and what about the Display from ASI? There is one shown on the Homepage.
You enter your battery specs, motor specs like pole pairs, guess the max rpm. Then the motor auto tune will figure the rest like Rs Ls, motor RPM, hall sensor table.
Awesome that it measures the inductance of the winding.
I wonder what happens if you hook up the controller to a motor which has less as the minumim alowed inductance of 60µH (regarding specifications)?
Do you know or could you ask ASI for me? :)

edit: what is the max PWM frequency you can enter (switching frequency parameter)?
evolutiongts wrote:
Aug 29 2018 5:43pm
Size wise they are very compact especially for the power that they put out.

ASI BAC 8000 54KW 730A
ASI BAC 4000 32KW 463A
ASI BAC 2000 20KW? Still in development
ASI BAC 800 6KW

My ASI 4000 puts out 273A @ 74V
78mph with a MXUS 3K w/ 16” wheel field weakening
Can you really set the BAC 4000 to 463A battery, or is this some kind of protection value?
Anyway it's impressive..
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Re: Advanced ADAPTTO controllers and compatible products

Post by evolutiongts » Aug 30 2018 3:17am

Hi Madin88,




The motor should still work just fine.

Here’s a QS 273 hub motor with under 60µH. The motor auto tuned successfully and runs just fine.

The switching frequency is 13000Hz

ASI doesn’t have a official display as of yet. Certain 3rd part displays are supported, and of course there is the Bluetooth app which allows you to tune and get data in real time, like temp, speed, RPM, current, and about 1000 more parameters.

The ASI 4000 is a 32KW Peak output controller.
463A is definately the peak battery current limit.
Over current protection kicks in around 500A, instant phase over current is at 560A to allow for over current spikes.

I am running the BAC4000 at 18KW since it’s part of my dual drive setup. You need to set system power output at 32KW with 100% battery current to allow for 438A Battery / 463A Phase.
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Re: Advanced ADAPTTO controllers and compatible products

Post by madin88 » Aug 30 2018 4:45am

evolutiongts wrote:
Aug 30 2018 3:17am
The motor should still work just fine.

Here’s a QS 273 hub motor with under 60µH. The motor auto tuned successfully and runs just fine.

The switching frequency is 13000Hz
Sounds good. Thanks!
Is 13kHz the maximum frequency you can set? I believe it would be better to have higher PWM switching on a motor with such low inductance..


I think a moderator will soon move previous posts in an extra thread which would be good.
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Re: Advanced ADAPTTO controllers and compatible products

Post by evolutiongts » Aug 30 2018 5:02am

It could be increased I’m sure but I haven’t tested it yet.

I have driven hub motors to from their no load speed of 1000RPM to 3700RPM with field weakening



Like wise 4400RPM inruners to 8000RPM+



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Re: Advanced ADAPTTO controllers and compatible products

Post by Allex » Aug 30 2018 5:49am

madin88 wrote:
Aug 30 2018 4:45am
evolutiongts wrote:
Aug 30 2018 3:17am
The motor should still work just fine.

Here’s a QS 273 hub motor with under 60µH. The motor auto tuned successfully and runs just fine.

The switching frequency is 13000Hz
Sounds good. Thanks!
Is 13kHz the maximum frequency you can set? I believe it would be better to have higher PWM switching on a motor with such low inductance..


I think a moderator will soon move previous posts in an extra thread which would be good.
Yes we should have ASI User thread in E-Bike Technical, mod please create one and move the above =)

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Re: Advanced ADAPTTO controllers and compatible products

Post by ecross » Aug 30 2018 6:39am

evolutiongts wrote:
Aug 29 2018 8:45pm
I wouldn’t recommend over 20S to be honest with you since the caps are rated up to 100V. The field weakening is so good I know a guy that hit 88mph on 20S GPS verified.

I suppose you could run 22S but charge to 4.15V / cell and definately Limit regen power until you drop under 90V (SOC fold back) the controller can limit regen until your voltage drops to a safe level.
Hi,

very interesting setup with your ASI 4000 and your bike!

-are Controller on stock and how much postage costs to Germay?

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