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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by madin88 » Jun 10 2014 4:55am

Andreym does speak english very well, but i do not know if the other also do. Try it out :)
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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by ridethelightning » Jun 10 2014 6:17am

GCinDC wrote:Podcast with Andrey is live here.

Sorry, didn't get to all the questions!
here's Andrey talking for those newcomers.. :)

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Post by crea2k » Jun 10 2014 7:40am

Yes iv listened to some of that the other night, very interesting. I have got a reply via email now, so am putting my order in :) .

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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by ridethelightning » Jun 10 2014 7:52am

great to hear youv made first contact :D

im really keen to see how the 4motus frame works with the max-e/cro as i was considering doing pretty much the same build myself...

be great to see it coming together.

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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by wingsuit » Jun 10 2014 8:43am

I tried to get paypal but was told they only accept bank wire transfer. Just an FYI for those considering.

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Post by crea2k » Jun 10 2014 9:27am

Bank transfer should be ok, Paypal would have been easier though. Im just trying to work out if iv gone and bought the right spokes now, as I may have accidentally ordered the ones for the wrong wheel size , but will knows shortly.

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Post by Offroader » Jun 10 2014 10:06am

With everyone trying to get orders in, I assume they are building a bunch of them at a time and will have them available to everyone at the same time?

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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by broke » Jun 10 2014 10:34am

"We received your money and will ship the order tomorrow - I'll send you the tracking No. once it's done"
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: in my email this morning
kona stinky - adaptto - HT3525 - https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 4#p1005754
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kona stinky adaptto ht3525
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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by anttipaa » Jun 10 2014 11:30am

How did you order? Where did you send email? I have been trying to order max-e for my intense m3 build for months..

EDIT: It was mini-e you ordered...
Canyon Torque + ?

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Post by broke » Jun 10 2014 3:01pm

i pmed them and emailed them many many times I think they just sold me one to shut me up :lol:
kona stinky - adaptto - HT3525 - https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 4#p1005754
bikes owned:
new build LR kit dirt bag frame adaptto - rohloff
kona stinky adaptto ht3525
optibike
gaint ac1 bmc motor
prodeco ex 2014 48v
prodeco pooper 24v
hill toper kit (first kit)
2 Sanyo ebikes from japan
2 cheap folding bikes with 36v settups

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Post by crea2k » Jun 10 2014 3:16pm

Yer I did the same lol

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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by broke » Jun 10 2014 3:30pm

so looking at the BMS board there is only 7 conections I thought you could hookup 10 packs of 4 cells. Can someone give me a hand on a 20s pack build.
Ps I know all about the lipo fires
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bikes owned:
new build LR kit dirt bag frame adaptto - rohloff
kona stinky adaptto ht3525
optibike
gaint ac1 bmc motor
prodeco ex 2014 48v
prodeco pooper 24v
hill toper kit (first kit)
2 Sanyo ebikes from japan
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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by Allex » Jun 10 2014 3:54pm

You can have up to 28s on the BMS board.
Andrey could be hard to reach ATM. He is on a Solo ~1000km trip :)

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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by broke » Jun 10 2014 5:53pm

so the guy I ordered my ht 3525 could not get the motor so now I have to find a motor again what do you guys think to run with the adaptto mini
HT 3525, HS 3540, 9c I dont know most of my riding is 40 mph tops to and from work. or any other choices.
kona stinky - adaptto - HT3525 - https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 4#p1005754
bikes owned:
new build LR kit dirt bag frame adaptto - rohloff
kona stinky adaptto ht3525
optibike
gaint ac1 bmc motor
prodeco ex 2014 48v
prodeco pooper 24v
hill toper kit (first kit)
2 Sanyo ebikes from japan
2 cheap folding bikes with 36v settups

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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by Ohbse » Jun 10 2014 5:56pm

This is a brief rundown on what I did to put together my pack. By no means is this comprehensive, I would suggest reading widely on this forum and you will pick up more info on using Lipo packs.

For my battery build I used 10x 4s 5ah Hardcase Turnigy 20c packs located here. I chose these because they're super cheap, relatively reliable with the hardcases (less opportunity for puncture failures) and because shipping any larger batteries becomes cost prohibitive to New Zealand. They are not the best (as you can guess from the price) however I have had no issues with mine over the 6 months or so I have had them. Mine put out 7kw without complaints.

I first charged and discharged each pack at least twice and made note of capacity using my powerlab8. This is not 100% required but certainly recommended as it will identify any faulty packs. In my case I had none and capacity was matched within 1-2% across all 10.
I then chopped and reconnected in parallel each pair of packs with a single connector, effectively creating a 4s 10ah battery. I also paralleled the 4s balance connectors on each pair. Please be very careful doing this as there's opportunity for shorts. Do 1 cell at a time!
I used some foam tape between each battery, taped the two together side to side with some medical strapping and shrunk each pair in some 100mm heatshrink, also ordered from HK. I then used some more foam between pairs and used velcro strapping to tightly bind together the 5 pairs into a single cohesive battery. Each connector is then plugged into its neighbour in series giving me total of 20s 10ah brick.
Connect each balance connector in order to the BMS.
Either replace the connectors on each end of the series string with the XT150 connectors included with the controller or create an adaptor from the standard HK connector to XT150. That's what I did and incorporated a resister and parallel connector that can be disconnected separately so I can avoid sparking when the pack is disconnected from controller (pretty rarely done these days). Search for anti spark for further info, I just used what I had (recycled bullets from the connectors I chopped off half of the 4s packs) I would also recommend incorporating a fuse into the middle of the pack, between two of the pairs. This will provide a degree of protection from a catastrophic short.

Ensure that you solder each connection well and then heat shrink (preferably with good quality shrink, turnigy stuff is okay). Ensure that all wires are well secured and can't bounce around and fatigue soldered connections. I use even more velcro ties. The battery pack described is literally strapped to the bike with a bunch more velcro. I would not recommend this, it's much better to put it in something to protect it further, especially if you're not using hardcase packs! In my case this has worked well for ~1200km of riding but it does look dodgy. I am fabricating an aluminium enclosure for inside the triangle to enclose everything, however this hasn't been a huge priority as I haven't had any difficulties with the current setup.

Note that the 28s capability of the BMS is primary to deal with battery chemistries other than lipo with lower full charge voltages. Thus you require more cells to achieve the 80-90v desired. You only need to use 20s with the 4.2v HOC voltage of lipo. If building a custom battery you could go 21s or 22s without issue with voltage being too high.

As for motor, I have had good luck with the HS3540. If I was building the same bike now knowing what I do I would go up a size to the HS4080 for better power handling and lower temperatures.

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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by upek » Jun 10 2014 6:37pm

@broke

HT3525 and 22s - you will be able to squeeze maximum power, but it will be getting hot.

Other choices are H4065 or even bigger ones: Cromotor and Crystalyte TC80

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Post by Rix » Jun 10 2014 7:20pm

broke wrote:so the guy I ordered my ht 3525 could not get the motor so now I have to find a motor again what do you guys think to run with the adaptto mini
HT 3525, HS 3540, 9c I dont know most of my riding is 40 mph tops to and from work. or any other choices.
My Fighter is running the 4080. Will hit 40MPH on 58 volts at with a 24 MTB, and about 38.5MPH with the 18x1.4 MC rear wheel and 2.75x18 SR241.
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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by xenodius » Jun 11 2014 12:14am

I can assure you that Brake and I both received the Max-E's we ordered. Andrey is a good guy. I also had to send mine in for repair after water damage and he dealt with it fairly quickly.

We both got ~20wh/mi @ 10-20mph yesterday. Nice ride. I get absolutely ridiculous performance out of my A123/Cromotor/Max-E setup... so does Brake with konions/cromotor/max-e.

I can easily hit 60mph on 24s A123's on a 21.3" Pirelli ML75 at OVS = 7 and acceleration up to 40mph is completely ridiculous... no more than 3-4 seconds. The KMX is the perfect platform for fast acceleration/regen. And I ride the throttle fairly easy (I should probably turn my phase to 250 from 350) because I haven't welded on the clamping dropouts that Brake kindly machined for me yet. Not that dual doctorbass torque arms are anything but awesome, they just aren't a perfectly tight fit and I worry.

Protip for Adaptto users; multiple ways to reach the same tame throttle experience. Profile-specific speed damping, default is like 10, 25, etc... higher number, less damping. For fast response and fine control in all profiles, "throttle linear" allows you to draw a throttle response curve. SUPER useful and what I prefer... instant full power when I want it, fine control at a few MPH even in boost mode anyway. The third option is to reduce "PWM rise" which ultimately regulates the rate of change of acceleration. 80 is max recommended. You can combine these too.

Also, the anti-thief mode only works when the controller is NOT asleep. Keep that in mind if you program a sleep time into it.

All in all I'm super happy with the controller. I really want to rebuild my battery pack with the BMS on it... and get a quick-charging PSU...

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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by ridethelightning » Jun 11 2014 2:06am

@ xenodius

-by "profile specific speed damping" do you mean acceleration (acc)settings in the 3 powermode profiles?

-also , the throttle linear is a bit of a mystery to me. why does it have 3 throttle progression settings?

-getting the linear function calibrated was a bit tricky for me too, diddnt always want to register my throttle imput after the first time i set it......anyone had this experience?

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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by Allex » Jun 11 2014 2:22am

To register input you need to turn it moderately slow. Think you need to be within 2seconds. Doing it faster, will result in error, same if you do it slower.

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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by ridethelightning » Jun 11 2014 3:59am

i got it to register just now, but the mapping graph was very non linear.

the resulting throttle behaviour was terrrible in boost mode.

had to pull over and re adjust it , put the throttle progression back to 0(iv got no idea what this does) and re did the throttle linear calibration.

after that it was so much smoother :)

but i so dont understand these funtions fully yet

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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by madin88 » Jun 11 2014 4:08am

ridethelightning wrote: but i so dont understand these funtions fully yet
me neither
- 10kW belt drive with Neumotor 8057: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=91144&start=50#p1377787
- Fully road legal (L1E approval) e-bike based on Votec V-FR frame
/ MXUS 3T / 17" Mitas MC11 / Adaptto Max-E / 20s12p 25R
- KTM Hardtail Pedelec / eZee V2 6T / 27,5" / Kelly KBSX @ 1,5kW / Torque PAS / CA-V3 / 13s4p Sanyo GA in Shark case

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Re: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS

Post by arcticfly » Jun 11 2014 2:50pm

Would you recommend 30A or 70A power supply for charging a 76V 18Ah battery.

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Post by Allex » Jun 11 2014 4:35pm

Its is not a power supply, just a coil so you will need a PSU for it.
I am not sure how fast you can charge the stock battery without damaging it(decrease cycle life). I would say no more than 9-10amps if you want to be on the safe side. So 30A coil is more than enough.

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