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Post by cwah » Jan 18 2016 6:56am

Yes no problems. It's possible to change battery shape as long as volume is there. Thank you

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Post by Artur » Jan 20 2016 8:42am

cwah wrote:Yes no problems. It's possible to change battery shape as long as volume is there. Thank you

we have 2 ready battery to offer:
here are the pictures taken during manufacturing, material: stainless steel. One frame is polished like mirror, another sandblasted. 170mm wide.
Shine like mirror! Dozens of man hours was spent on polishing this baby.
Let me know if interested ;)


It is bigger then Vector frame:

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I will add pictures of ready frame if interested

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Post by cwah » Jan 20 2016 12:24pm

Thanks can you provide internal battery dimension please?

Thank you

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Post by macribs » Jan 20 2016 4:04pm

@ Artur
Did you ever give any price point for the new wide swing arm? And what will be max tire width say 18/19" rear rim?

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Post by Artur » Jan 20 2016 5:02pm

macribs wrote:@ Artur
Did you ever give any price point for the new wide swing arm? And what will be max tire width say 18/19" rear rim?
we just made prototype , need to test now. I think 4.8" 26" should fit in there :D Price will be around 200usd.
cwah wrote:Thanks can you provide internal battery dimension please?

Thank you
170mm width, length around 45-50, heigt 35 or something.. we can make frame 20cm width if you want so ))) But it will look huge :)

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Post by cwah » Jan 20 2016 7:03pm

Do you mean internal dimension is 170mm x 450mm x 350mm ?

If that's the case, the enclosure allow a maximum of:
170mm / 20.2mm = 8 cells on the width
450mm / 20.2mm = 22 cells on the length
350mm / 70 mm = 5 times each

So 8 * 22 * 5 = 880 cells max or 8800wh max capacity.


I'm currently ordering a cargo bike, the ODK V3:
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However, there is maybe a chance I could combine my cargo bike with this bike?

I'd see the bike updated like this:
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It would use:
- John's hubmonster with 190mm dropout and axle with 1" diameter and 15.5mm flat.
- Motor would use moped tyre which would be equivalent to a 20" bike wheel.

I don't have welder but a quite precise idea of what I want.

How does that look? :mrgreen:

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Post by macribs » Jan 20 2016 7:47pm

Cool. I think that will work out really nice. A wide frame Vector with a bad ass rear rack. You can go shopping, buy cases of beer unload at home then do some hard core street riding all on the same bike. Dude, do not remove the rear shock! That would be crazy man. If you need to haul really heavy loads, either get a 900 lbs Ti spring or find an ATV or snowmobile shock that can handle the weight you are planning.

If you have the rack mount on the swing arm like on your drawing, You probably should anchor the rack to the frame as well. Anchor the rack similar to how the swing arm is anchored. If you use an anchor point just below where the bike seat goes, the whole rack can move up and down with the swing arm. If you are all about longtail bikes, like I've seen you been considering lately in order to get more cargo with you without a trailer you could do like them longtail's. Add lower racks to the swing arm as well. Pack in saddle bags or large panniers and you can still enjoy full suspension and have a nice comfy ride. Take the longtail to a new level. Go full suspension and with a crazy ass motor as well.

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Post by maxRpm » Jan 21 2016 1:01am

Is this vector v.2 if so how much heavier is it?

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Post by cwah » Jan 21 2016 3:00am

macribs wrote:Cool. I think that will work out really nice. A wide frame Vector with a bad ass rear rack. You can go shopping, buy cases of beer unload at home then do some hard core street riding all on the same bike. Dude, do not remove the rear shock! That would be crazy man. If you need to haul really heavy loads, either get a 900 lbs Ti spring or find an ATV or snowmobile shock that can handle the weight you are planning.

If you have the rack mount on the swing arm like on your drawing, You probably should anchor the rack to the frame as well. Anchor the rack similar to how the swing arm is anchored. If you use an anchor point just below where the bike seat goes, the whole rack can move up and down with the swing arm. If you are all about longtail bikes, like I've seen you been considering lately in order to get more cargo with you without a trailer you could do like them longtail's. Add lower racks to the swing arm as well. Pack in saddle bags or large panniers and you can still enjoy full suspension and have a nice comfy ride. Take the longtail to a new level. Go full suspension and with a crazy ass motor as well.
Ahah yes that would be a good thing to have a high power cargo bike!

I wasn't thinking to remove rear suspension, but rather to move to 2 shocks on closer to the end of the rack (see 2 pinks lines).

By doing that, i hope to reduce the unsprung weight to the rear wheel only, same as what lots of moped are having!

Why would anchoring the rack would be better than having double suspension on the entire frame + rack?

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Post by macribs » Jan 21 2016 4:37am

Ahah yes that would be a good thing to have a high power cargo bike!I wasn't thinking to remove rear suspension, but rather to move to 2 shocks on closer to the end of the rack (see 2 pinks lines).

By doing that, i hope to reduce the unsprung weight to the rear wheel only, same as what lots of moped are having!
Why would anchoring the rack would be better than having double suspension on the entire frame + rack?
Glad to hear you don't plan on riding without full suspension. I pictured you might weld the swing arm to the frame when I saw you written remove shock.

I think by going with 2 shocks you are in fact increasing the unsprung weight. Those pink lines are similar to what moped used to have - back in the 1970's and early 1980's. I am sure there is a good and valid reason why all manufacturer chose to use mono shock in the rear and have stuck with it since the early 1980. Not only mopeds went to use mono shock, but dirt bikes, motorcycles etc. More centered weight and less unsprung mass is my guess. Sure there are other reasons as well.

If you keep the swing arm like it is now, and just anchor the cargo rack to the swing arm, ie where you got the pink lines, then I think you will need another anchor point to keep the cargo rack able to take on big loads without putting all that stress on the swing arm. So yes by choosing the right mono shock and anchor cargo rack both to the frame itself and the swing arm you will have a sturdy and strong cargo rack, and the load from the cargo will be spread onto the frame as well as the swing arm. I'll bet you can even pick up two ladies at a time and ride home without problems 8)

And if not, you can just stretch the swing arm to fit them big ass ho's :wink: :lol:

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Post by cwah » Jan 21 2016 5:16am

Ok make sense. Where is the additional anchor point I'd need to add to the rack?

And what's the best way to move this project forward?

Can arthur help? I want to make sure the bike end up with decent geometry :mrgreen:

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Post by macribs » Jan 21 2016 6:34am

cwah wrote:Ok make sense. Where is the additional anchor point I'd need to add to the rack?

And what's the best way to move this project forward?

Can arthur help? I want to make sure the bike end up with decent geometry :mrgreen:
I am sure Artur could help. That frame is a prototype thing I guess. So they are probably finishing up the frame right now.
Ask him if he could make an anchor point, maybe something like this? If not any welder close by you could step in and make this for you. Great thing about steel - it welds easy. And the good thing here is you don't alter the bikes geometry. Look at the cargo rack as a parallelogram, it will move up and down parallel to the swing arm.

Wheel base is still the same, same goes for fork angle etc.

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Post by DasDouble » Jan 21 2016 6:58am

Oh Boy, I love that design! Holy smoke... Would buy that thing directly! "Woooooow ;)"
Love also this Enduro seat. This is what I have always hoped to be able to see. Love it!

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Post by Artur » Jan 21 2016 1:21pm

We have some new goods in out store:
Headsets:
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PAS:
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Spacers:
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Post by macribs » Jan 21 2016 3:20pm

@cwah forgot one thing earlier. If you where to use shocks in this pink lines you would move more of the weight from the cargo all the way to the very back of the swing arm. That would not be a good thing, and the swing arm moves the most in that part. The more weight you can have on a frame anchor point the more you will reduce the unsprung mass. So maybe you should consider a design where your cargo rack is anchored to the swing arm, but further to the front of the swing arm. Where the movements of the swing arm is smaller - compared to the very back where movements are at the largest.

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Post by Artur » Jan 21 2016 3:51pm

Guys, one of our Vector bike client come to visit me this Monday, he is using baby trailer to ride with his little kid behind in mountains, and everything working ok. I personally use bike trailer too, loaded it once with almost 80kg, and with 14kw power bike dont feel it at all !
Plus this client use bike rack that holds on a sit post, he pold me he loaded it with 50kg (small kid) and it was ok, just rear shock spring should be stronger, he has 650lbs. We are offering now as option 850lbs spring.


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Post by cwah » Jan 21 2016 9:23pm

Yes ok makes sense. The anchor point can be a good thing.

Another way to do it would be to use Edgerunner design:
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Basically extend the swingarm (I'd have a smaller rear wheel) and add support for edge runner for the heavy duty P rack:
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http://practicalcycles.com/products/176 ... -rack.aspx

Would that be a better design?

What do you think Arthur? You'd be the first one to build and sell a high power cargo bike. You'll probably find customer and open new market :mrgreen:

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Post by Artur » Jan 21 2016 9:53pm

not with full suspension bike.

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Post by cwah » Jan 22 2016 11:44am

Artur wrote:not with full suspension bike.

Ahhh... why don't you want to help arthur ..

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Post by Artur » Jan 22 2016 12:58pm

it's not about help. if you make order for 20pcs, or find 20 clients - I'm ready. I can't afford to to modifications for 1-5 pcs. and sell them with regular price.

For example, over 100 Vector frames were sold for 2015.

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Post by macribs » Jan 22 2016 2:01pm

Well 20 pcs is not that bad cwah? Make a group buy and administer that and you get your custom made cargo bike frame, manufactured by the specialist themselves. Several group buy's have been done here, and the one thing you got going for you is that this will be the very first hi powered full suspension cargo bike. I am sure you can make it happen.

An other way to get it done is to order the wide frame from artur, then stop by a local weld shop and have them make the frame anchor and cargo rack.

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Post by Lurkin » Jan 22 2016 2:43pm

Could be tempted. But then I've been tempted and bought a Q76R.. which Vector has still not produced an equivalent of... the geometry of a full suspension cargo bike will be harder to get right given the likelihood of preloading suspension etc.

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Post by Artur » Jan 22 2016 6:58pm

Lurkin wrote:Could be tempted. But then I've been tempted and bought a Q76R.. which Vector has still not produced an equivalent of... the geometry of a full suspension cargo bike will be harder to get right given the likelihood of preloading suspension etc.
Q76R and all other Qulbix frames made of sheet steel that is way easier and faster comparing to skeleton tube frame, and although they say it is one of the advantages (have no idea why), you just look on Ducati, Yamaha, Honda or BMW... all of them made of tubes, because this way frames are stronger, lighter, and more durable! We can make our frame way to cheaper if we start making it like qulbix, but I dont want to make pretty good frame worse. :) I'll show a test frame from sheet steel soon guys, we can make it as wide as you need.

Somebody please tell Ducati they don't know what they are doing, as by the qulbix engineer it is way better to do a frame from a sheet steel in comparison to carbon frames or tubular :lol:
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Post by cwah » Jan 23 2016 7:18am

Thanks guys, I've created a thread for a new high powered cargo bike:
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Please confirm your interest!!!

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