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Post by GmagNeato » May 21 2016 2:19pm

dzhibas wrote:Guys, were do you buy those rotor spacers from. Looked in couple of bike shops and can't find them, looks like it's uncommon. I also need some for my mxus.
Pretty sure eBay and Amazon sell them.
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Post by litespeed » May 21 2016 3:48pm

dzhibas wrote:Guys, were do you buy those rotor spacers from. Looked in couple of bike shops and can't find them, looks like it's uncommon. I also need some for my mxus.
http://www.ebikes.ca/shop/ebike-parts/m ... pacer.html

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/MTB-ISO-44mm-di ... SwpDdVeC4B

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Post by DasDouble » May 24 2016 12:10pm

I have 5 LiPo Packs connected to my BMS. Now Im planing to buy 5 more. But the BMS doesnt seem to have enough plugs for so many 14,8, 16A, 4s, 1p Packs.. :roll: What do I do wrong?

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Post by scrambler » May 24 2016 1:55pm

First, I am new to this, but in the process of learning, so I did some research in the hope it can help yours.

Only take my remarks as help to figure it out, once you think you do, you should validate your solution on the dedicated battery forum before implementing it!

You should make sure you read all of the material, but below are things I found useful in getting some clarity around BMS, Lipo and 18650 LifePo4 cells batteries

General BMS info
https://www.electricbike.com/bmss-what-do-they-do/

BMS and LIPO batteries
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=53143

Batteries FAQ page
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=19956

Lipo parallel/series thread from the FAQ
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=18172

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=29220


My understanding so far from reading these.

Lipo packs can be seriously dangerous if mishandled, they are not plug and play and need care. You should not mess with any of it unless you are sure you fully know and understand what has to be done.

Hobby Lipo are usually only balanced at charging which requires individual charging or several chargers. That offers no discharge protection when using the pack.

BMS can provide both charge and discharge balance protection, allowing in theory to use a single charger to charge the pack. But (with Lipo?) can only balance when fully charged so you cant limit the charge for longevity. There seem to be some controversy around using BMS with Lipo, not sure what to make of that.

The quality of the BMS is crucial, and you should not fully relly on it, but check you battery balance manually from time to time.

For all batteries (lipo or LifePo4), you first create parallel blocks, for Lipo packs you also need to parallel the balance leads (soldering them or using balance extenders). Each parallel block then behaves like one large cell. That should limit your number of balancing leads sets to the number of parallel packs

Then you put the parallel blocks in series.
Each parallel block balancing leads set goes to the BMS.



18650 LifePo4 cells would be a lot safer and easier to manage, but are more expensive.

Hope this helps you figure it out
Anyone who knows better please feel free to correct my misunderstandings :)

Lipo battery care thread from the FAQ
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9170&start=0

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Post by DasDouble » May 24 2016 4:07pm

Haha, this is so nice from you :) Thank you really much :P . And don´t worry, I know the danger of LiPos or how to take care of them.
Because they are so dangerous, I will go to a metal factory and ask if they could build a tin box or sheet metal box for me so I can carry them arround without having to worry what would happen if something sharp hit them by accident. Also I want to mount a fan inside the box, which gets automatically activated when the temperature is too high. But I have to think about this how to manage this in the best way... :)

Thanks for your help ;) :)
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Post by Artur » May 24 2016 7:15pm

DasDouble wrote:I have 5 LiPo Packs connected to my BMS. Now Im planing to buy 5 more. But the BMS doesnt seem to have enough plugs for so many 14,8, 16A, 4s, 1p Packs.. :roll: What do I do wrong?

Cheers, Elias

haha ) you need to connect them in paralel (balansing wires)

litespeed wrote: Looks like based on the way most hub motors are built that the drop outs should have been horizontal in stead of vertical.

I think I would have bought the Vector/QS version had I known in advance......

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Post by Merlin » May 31 2016 9:06am

did someone buy a Max-E?
iam pretty sure Arturs first Post isnt a mistake with 745$ for a Max-E...(same as envolt and allex)

somebody wrote me over his account in english that the price is "wrong" and it is now(?) 845$?

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Post by Artur » May 31 2016 9:23am

Merlin wrote:did someone buy a Max-E?
iam pretty sure Arturs first Post isnt a mistake with 745$ for a Max-E...(same as envolt and allex)

somebody wrote me over his account in english that the price is "wrong" and it is now(?) 845$?

It is not a mistake.
It was Anastasia, my assistant.

The price at the moment 845$. Only 4 Max-e left. I will have more only in September.

For Midi and Mini, price is correct.

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Post by Merlin » May 31 2016 9:47am

thx for clearing :mrgreen:

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Post by litespeed » May 31 2016 4:58pm

Hey Artur,

I guess I didn't read the fine print when I ordered the free wheel for my QS 205 motor from you, what chain is this for?

7,8,9 or 10 speed chain does not work.

Also the kick stand is too long. I have 17" rear and 19" front. Just so the next guy knows. I assumed it would adjust down for 17's and adjust out for 26".....my bad for the assumption.

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Post by scrambler » May 31 2016 8:22pm

Having some fun with paint and the new Vector logo :)

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Post by maxRpm » May 31 2016 10:24pm

Bottom right! I s that the new vector version 2? It look good

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Post by scrambler » Jun 01 2016 12:51am

maxRpm wrote:Bottom right! I s that the new vector version 2? It look good
I wish :)

It is just a mockup I made when someone mentioned a vector light several posts ago, but I have no idea if that was ever a real thing. May be Artur can enlighten us, or crush our dreams :)

It sure would be nice to have a mini Vector frame...

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Post by Samd » Jun 01 2016 12:54am

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Post by Samd » Jun 01 2016 12:54am

scrambler wrote:
maxRpm wrote:Bottom right! I s that the new vector version 2? It look good
I wish :)

It is just a mockup I made when someone mentioned a vector light several posts ago, but I have no idea if that was ever a real thing. May be Artur can enlighten us, or crush our dreams :)

It sure would be nice to have a mini Vector frame...
Too close to another certain frame for me.
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Post by Artur » Jun 01 2016 10:08am

litespeed wrote:Hey Artur,

I guess I didn't read the fine print when I ordered the free wheel for my QS 205 motor from you, what chain is this for?

7,8,9 or 10 speed chain does not work.

Also the kick stand is too long. I have 17" rear and 19" front. Just so the next guy knows. I assumed it would adjust down for 17's and adjust out for 26".....my bad for the assumption.

Tom
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Post by Artur » Jun 01 2016 10:15am

scrambler wrote:
maxRpm wrote:Bottom right! I s that the new vector version 2? It look good
I wish :)

It is just a mockup I made when someone mentioned a vector light several posts ago, but I have no idea if that was ever a real thing. May be Artur can enlighten us, or crush our dreams :)

It sure would be nice to have a mini Vector frame...

We are working on a frame. Prototypes of 2 new frames (mid drive, and light vector ) will be in 1-2 month.

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Post by scrambler » Jun 01 2016 12:59pm

Artur wrote: We are working on a frame. Prototypes of 2 new frames (mid drive, and light vector ) will be in 1-2 month.
Thanks
Cant wait to see what you have in store! :)

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Post by DasDouble » Jun 01 2016 1:04pm

Does someone know how many LiPos do fit into the frame with the new sidecovers?
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Post by scrambler » Jun 01 2016 1:04pm

Samd wrote: Too close to another certain frame for me.
I know :)
But I find it does make the frame look lighter

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Post by macribs » Jun 01 2016 1:11pm

Artur wrote:

We are working on a frame. Prototypes of 2 new frames (mid drive, and light vector ) will be in 1-2 month.


Nice! Look forward to see the these. Any details you can share on size, width or weight?

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Post by DasDouble » Jun 01 2016 3:28pm

Please please please!!!
Please produce some stuff which I can protect my frame with from getting scratched when having a crash and when it slides on the ground on high speed!!! I mean like the points of the bike which get in contact with the ground when laying it down! Also for the Moto seat version!!! Thanks a lot! :!:
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Post by Rix » Jun 01 2016 8:56pm

DasDouble wrote:Please please please!!!
Please produce some stuff which I can protect my frame with from getting scratched when having a crash and when it slides on the ground on high speed!!! I mean like the points of the bike which get in contact with the ground when laying it down! Also for the Moto seat version!!! Thanks a lot! :!:
Get some M3 clear plastic film and wrap your frame.

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Post by Merlin » Jun 02 2016 3:02am

how old are you double?
if your bike "slides" at high speed you have REAL other Problems then a scratched 600$ frame. :?

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Post by Rix » Jun 02 2016 4:18am

Merlin wrote:how old are you double?
if your bike "slides" at high speed you have REAL other Problems then a scratched 600$ frame. :?
Merlin my friend, I like you, I was thinking the exact same thing, but didn't say it.

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