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Re: Vector. New 5.4 kW ebike from scratch.

Post by Merlin » Oct 24 2014 6:09pm

where do u live Artur?

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Post by Artur » Oct 24 2014 7:28pm

Merlin wrote:where do u live Artur?

Munich :)

you?

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Post by louis raaijmakers » Oct 25 2014 4:20am

hi Artur.
are you the inventor of the product?
if so you made one hell of a bike!
keep up the good work.

greetings louis

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Post by madin88 » Oct 27 2014 4:09pm

The biggest problem one can get into is if you have an accident with such a fast / powerful bike and this accident was your fault or a part of the blame.
-> liable for: driving with an illegal vehicle and NOT covered by any insurance. If there was personal injury it may can be you pay for the rest of your life for this.
If someone does not think about this, its not because of big eggs, its irresponsibility.

Get a selfmade e-bike registerend as 45kmh "moped" is not very expensive and difficult - at least here in Austria where i live.
It is about 600€ including all things if the TÜV do not call for a test of the braking system. This test would add about 1500€.

I definitely want to get my bike registered (mainly to be not illegal and covered by insurance), but unfortunately by now i had no time to do this. Always had to work and no vacation.
as well i have to change a few things:
- automatic kick stand
- brake levers with cut off switch
- front light with DOT number
- 10kW belt drive with Neumotor 8057: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=91144&start=50#p1377787
- Fully road legal (L1E approval) e-bike based on Votec V-FR frame
/ MXUS 3T / 17" Mitas MC11 / Adaptto Max-E / 20s12p 25R
- KTM Hardtail Pedelec / eZee V2 6T / 27,5" / Kelly KBSX @ 1,5kW / Torque PAS / CA-V3 / 13s4p Sanyo GA in Shark case

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Post by riba2233 » Oct 27 2014 5:08pm

Or you could just convert a moped.

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Post by macribs » Oct 27 2014 10:17pm

riba2233 wrote:Or you could just convert a moped.

For most part of EU that will not work, because getting a conversion validated by the motor vehicle dept will be almost as tough as getting a diy bike build validated in the first place. When you alter the engine you in fact alter part of the bike that was validated in the first place. Hence the need for a new validation process after changing the engine in a moped.

As soon as you change the motor from ICE to electric the motor vehicle dept look at the bike as completely different bike and your before valid registration is no longer valid. In fact I think those rule are common and to be enforced in all of EU including Croatia.

So you might as well keep you build as light weight as possible using bike parts only and get that validated and registered as a moped. Because a conversion of an existing moped will render that validated paper useless. And you will need to start validation process from scratch.

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Post by riba2233 » Oct 28 2014 2:04am

It's not problem in most countries, I validated mine without any problem, you just do a simple attest in the institution which does the homologations and technical inspections. It wasn't expensive also, around 65€. I know that some EU countries don't approve conversions, but most do.

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Post by madin88 » Oct 28 2014 9:58am

It depends also on the validator from what i heard. He can decide between exceptional permission (in german: Ausnahmegenehmigung), and test required.
For example an EMI / EMV test can add about 4000€. A company definitely has to make such a test, but a friendly DIY guy quite sure will get the exceptional permission if the wiring and connectors do look clean built :)
- 10kW belt drive with Neumotor 8057: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=91144&start=50#p1377787
- Fully road legal (L1E approval) e-bike based on Votec V-FR frame
/ MXUS 3T / 17" Mitas MC11 / Adaptto Max-E / 20s12p 25R
- KTM Hardtail Pedelec / eZee V2 6T / 27,5" / Kelly KBSX @ 1,5kW / Torque PAS / CA-V3 / 13s4p Sanyo GA in Shark case

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Post by riba2233 » Oct 28 2014 11:59am

That's true! :D

It would be ridiculous if one diy guy should pay those tests.

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Post by madin88 » Oct 29 2014 4:35am

riba2233 wrote:That's true! :D

It would be ridiculous if one diy guy should pay those tests.
from what i know thats unfortunately only for one type of electronic and specific wiring. same with the braking tests.
Thats here in Austria, but i guess in other EU coutries there will not be much differences..

I ask myselfe what happens if someone already payed 1500€ for a specific brake test and its found to be sufficiently dimensioned.
for example: Shimano XT, 203mm rotor, 19" moped wheel. permit as 45kmh vehicle.
That would be the most important thing, but i'm afraid they will not write it down to a list and publish for other DIY.
Regarding the EMV / EMI test the only thing you can do is make a clean wiring with (waterproof) industrial standard connectors / wires and hope for a kind validator which will give you an exceptional permission 8)

@ Artur

sorry for spamming your thread with this stuff :)
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- 10kW belt drive with Neumotor 8057: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=91144&start=50#p1377787
- Fully road legal (L1E approval) e-bike based on Votec V-FR frame
/ MXUS 3T / 17" Mitas MC11 / Adaptto Max-E / 20s12p 25R
- KTM Hardtail Pedelec / eZee V2 6T / 27,5" / Kelly KBSX @ 1,5kW / Torque PAS / CA-V3 / 13s4p Sanyo GA in Shark case

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Post by riba2233 » Oct 29 2014 4:42am

madin88 wrote: from what i know thats unfortunately only for one type of electronic and specific wiring. same with the braking tests.
Thats here in Austria, but i guess in other EU coutries there will not be much differences..

I ask myselfe what happens if someone already payed 1500€ for a specific brake test and its found to be sufficiently dimensioned.
for example: Shimano XT, 203mm rotor, 19" moped wheel. permit as 45kmh vehicle.
That would be the most important thing, but i'm afraid they will not write it down to a list and publish for other DIY.
Regarding the EMV / EMI test the only thing you can do is make a clean wiring with (waterproof) industrial standard connectors / wires and hope for a kind validator which will give you an exceptional permission 8)

@ Artur

sorry for spamming your thread with this stuff :)

Yes, but if you convert existing moped or motorcycle, you don't have to do braking or any other tests, it has already been done a long time ago :D

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Post by Artur » Nov 02 2014 4:06pm

Ok guys,

let me tell you something ) I was talking with certificate inspector for couple of times, and the list of what you should have on a bike is not only plate with number, or mirror, or turn signals... it is much much more.

Next one. About moped conversation. It will not work, at least in Germany, if you change some parts like motor, it may have some influence to the brakes as well so you would need to test how the whole system work together. Test for our Vector for EU will cost us around 20000 Euro, that will alowed us to sell our vehicle compleatly legal. That's why we would start kickstarter campaign, to get preorders.

We will test many brakes, motors, forks and shocks so we will offer to our customer later on to choose components for his bike but still has certification for EU or USA. Whole testing takes around 2 month.

What do you think about our logo? :D

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Post by Simple818 » Nov 02 2014 6:33pm

When will the frame be available?

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Post by Allex » Nov 02 2014 6:42pm

Artur, you can read in Dlogic thread on what you need to do, he did succeed :)
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 50#p885940

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Post by Artur » Nov 03 2014 7:40am

Allex wrote:Artur, you can read in Dlogic thread on what you need to do, he did succeed :)
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 50#p885940

Thank you Alex! Greate thread! I will try to contact Clogik :)

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Post by Microbatman » Nov 04 2014 12:59am

Great design.
Chobotar is a great craftsman and has developed quite the frame.
Will the frame be available in USA? timeline?


Any idea on cost in $USD
MotorCrystalyte X5304 20 Inch Rear Wheel DISC Brake Controller Crystalyte 48A72V4110MOSFETS
Batteries A123 24s2p
Charger Mastech 5020
Frame Azonic Steelhead
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Post by macribs » Nov 04 2014 2:38am

From 3.000 $ to 6.000 $ I think it says early on in this thread. The bike will be offered in at least 3 specs.
And from what I understand even those three models will have custom fittings available.

A week or so left to launch. Guess we will know it all then. :)

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Post by Rix » Nov 04 2014 9:25am

Artur wrote:Ok guys,

let me tell you something ) I was talking with certificate inspector for couple of times, and the list of what you should have on a bike is not only plate with number, or mirror, or turn signals... it is much much more.

Next one. About moped conversation. It will not work, at least in Germany, if you change some parts like motor, it may have some influence to the brakes as well so you would need to test how the whole system work together. Test for our Vector for EU will cost us around 20000 Euro, that will alowed us to sell our vehicle compleatly legal. That's why we would start kickstarter campaign, to get preorders.

We will test many brakes, motors, forks and shocks so we will offer to our customer later on to choose components for his bike but still has certification for EU or USA. Whole testing takes around 2 month.

What do you think about our logo? :D

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Like your logo, definitely original.

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Post by Microbatman » Nov 05 2014 12:19am

Will the frame be sold alone or do you have to buy the entire bike?

How much for just a bare frame?
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Batteries A123 24s2p
Charger Mastech 5020
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Post by macribs » Nov 05 2014 1:11am

Microbatman wrote:Will the frame be sold alone or do you have to buy the entire bike?

How much for just a bare frame?
From earlier in the thread:
Artur wrote:
cheekybloke wrote:will you be selling as a frame kit or doing a mid drive version?
nice bike matey.
darren
We are going to sell frame and the whole bike in 3 differend components combinations.

We will offer different variants of controllers as well as motors for final products with Lyen and Kelly programable controllers. Many people who are new in ebike world dont look for 1kW+ bike , and for some people even 6kW is not enought ;))
The important thing is that advanced ebikers would be able to order frame only, to build their own ebikes! :)

Seems you can have it any way you like it, from bare frame/frame kit to plug and play and ready to ride with your own configuration.
Prices for frame kit I have no idea, better leave that for Artur.

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Post by Artur » Nov 05 2014 3:17am

Price for the frame would be aprox. 600 Euro. Since we would need to pay to Kickstarter 5% + Amazon 4% + Local tax + Federal tax + bank transfer....

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Post by Artur » Nov 08 2014 11:18am

Here is a viseo from evening ride through Munich on 2kw Vector.


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Post by Merlin » Nov 08 2014 5:34pm

video not available.

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Post by Rodney64 » Nov 08 2014 8:04pm

Your bikes are looking good Artur. Nice vid
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Post by Artur » Nov 09 2014 1:13am

Merlin wrote:video not available.
Because of German GEMA limitation. I will try to upload it somewhere else.

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