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Post by Hyena » Oct 06 2016 12:25am

Jnice wrote:Highly Recommend Michal's Great work and Quality Cells. Packaging was fantastic. The shipping time to New Zealand was just under 4 weeks.
Wow, really ?? Presumably that was air and not sea shipping ?
I had an order to Australia shipped out in 2.5 months ago that still hasn't arrived!
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Post by Cowardlyduck » Oct 06 2016 12:35am

Hyena wrote:I had an order to Australia shipped out in 2.5 months ago that still hasn't arrived!
Not uncommon from my experience.
I recently had an order from NKON take over 2 months and 15 annoyed emails from me before it arrived with NiMh labelling after being stuck in Singapore most of the time. :roll:

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Post by flangefrog » Oct 06 2016 12:36am

Hyena wrote:
Jnice wrote:Highly Recommend Michal's Great work and Quality Cells. Packaging was fantastic. The shipping time to New Zealand was just under 4 weeks.
Wow, really ?? Presumably that was air and not sea shipping ?
I had an order to Australia shipped out in 2.5 months ago that still hasn't arrived!
I'm making a pack up for another person who had his cells arrive in about three weeks (via sea). My own cells took about 80 days.

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Post by Jnice » Oct 08 2016 5:54pm

flangefrog wrote:
Hyena wrote:
Jnice wrote:Highly Recommend Michal's Great work and Quality Cells. Packaging was fantastic. The shipping time to New Zealand was just under 4 weeks.
Wow, really ?? Presumably that was air and not sea shipping ?
I had an order to Australia shipped out in 2.5 months ago that still hasn't arrived!
I'm making a pack up for another person who had his cells arrive in about three weeks (via sea). My own cells took about 80 days.
I'm pretty sure these would have been by sea, I've found it extremely difficult to purchase cells shipped by air to New Zealand. I've read a lot get turned back as well. I to was surprised at the speedy delivery. a lot could depend on the freight forwarding company used and what else is being sent and to where. i could have got lucky.

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Post by markz » Oct 19 2016 8:31pm

parabellum wrote:Does anyone know what chemistry LG MG1 cell is? Yes I tried googling and have data sheets, no mention about specific chemistry. :? They are 3.62V nominal by data sheet, if it helps.
LG INR-18650-MG1
So its INR not NCA
https://batterybro.com/blogs/18650-whol ... -explained

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Post by riba2233 » Oct 20 2016 5:42am

markz wrote:
parabellum wrote:Does anyone know what chemistry LG MG1 cell is? Yes I tried googling and have data sheets, no mention about specific chemistry. :? They are 3.62V nominal by data sheet, if it helps.
LG INR-18650-MG1
So its INR not NCA
https://batterybro.com/blogs/18650-whol ... -explained

I don't believe this blog, I mean Samsung surely has NCA cells marked with INR, so why wouldn't LG? Although MG1, based on capacity, could be either NMC or NCA. But MH1 and MJ1 must be NCA.

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Post by parabellum » Oct 20 2016 12:42pm

markz wrote:LG INR-18650-MG1
Did you see any official source naming them like that?
I could find few "Data sheets" of unknown precedence, but they refer to the cell as LG 18650 MG1. Did see INR prefix only in some unofficial seller sites and forums but it could have spread just from 1 single misunderstanding.
I hate mystery. :)

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Post by riba2233 » Oct 20 2016 12:55pm

Yep, I also doubt that LG marks them like that, that's samsung's nomenclature.

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Post by markz » Oct 20 2016 1:31pm

riba2233 wrote:
markz wrote:
parabellum wrote:Does anyone know what chemistry LG MG1 cell is? Yes I tried googling and have data sheets, no mention about specific chemistry. :? They are 3.62V nominal by data sheet, if it helps.
LG INR-18650-MG1
So its INR not NCA
https://batterybro.com/blogs/18650-whol ... -explained

I don't believe this blog, I mean Samsung surely has NCA cells marked with INR, so why wouldn't LG? Although MG1, based on capacity, could be either NMC or NCA. But MH1 and MJ1 must be NCA.
I could very well be mistaken then.

parabellum "Did you see any official source naming them like that? "
No I did not see any official source. I just assumed, so more then likely I am totally wrong...... yet again.

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Post by PH1 » Oct 21 2016 12:47am

riba2233 wrote:
markz wrote:
parabellum wrote:Does anyone know what chemistry LG MG1 cell is? Yes I tried googling and have data sheets, no mention about specific chemistry. :? They are 3.62V nominal by data sheet, if it helps.
LG INR-18650-MG1
So its INR not NCA
https://batterybro.com/blogs/18650-whol ... -explained
I don't believe this blog, I mean Samsung surely has NCA cells marked with INR, so why wouldn't LG? Although MG1, based on capacity, could be either NMC or NCA. But MH1 and MJ1 must be NCA.
Earlier this Batterybro blogpost said INR was the same as NCA in the table at the top, while further down in the description of each chemistry instead it said INR was the same as NMC. So they didn't even agree with themselves what chemistry INR actually was, as the content of this blogpost was contradicting itself.

I know this because I actually emailed them a couple of times with a few months in between pointing this out, without them doing anything about it at the time, or even bothering to reply. The last email I sent was in April 2016. But apparently now they have finally changed their article to at least not contradict itself.
Here's what I wrote in the email to them:
1) In the table at the top it lists INR as being the same as NCA.
But further down the article it says that INR is the same as NMC instead (look for the “INR - NMC - Lithium manganese nickel” headline.
2) NMC stands for “lithium nickel manganese cobalt oxide”, not just “lithium nickel manganese” as it says in your table. The “CoO2” part in LiNiMnCoO2 stands for “cobalt oxide”. For other chemistries you have listed the full name in the table including the cobalt oxide part, so I think you should do this for the NMC chemistry as well.
But I agree that Samsung INR cells are NCA chemistry, so the blogpost is still not correct on this matter, unless the Samsung datasheets are stating a wrong chemistry, but I doubt that.
For example the Samsung SDI INR18650-25R datasheet clearly states this battery has NCA chemistry: https://www.powerstream.com/p/INR18650- ... asheet.pdf
However this Samsung 25R cell is listed as an example as an INR - NMC cell in the blogpost.

Not sure if any INR cells are actually NMC cells, does anyone have any example of NMC chemistry cells makred as INR? Any datasheet references or other documentation?

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Re: NEW CELLS 18650 SAMSUNG/SANYO/PANASONIC/LG 2900-3500mAh

Post by methyl » Oct 23 2016 6:19pm

Did anyone order from Canada and had it arrive, safely? Tumich wrote that he can only ship untracked at my responsibility, so I wonder if people took the risks and got it successfully.
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Post by markz » Oct 23 2016 6:43pm

Yes I have read people are getting their batteries from Canada and the USA. I believe the average time is 1 to 2 months. Its cheaper shipping that way.

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Post by tumich » Oct 23 2016 7:37pm

methyl wrote:Did anyone order from Canada and had it arrive, safely? Tumich wrote that he can only ship untracked at my responsibility, so I wonder if people took the risks and got it successfully.
Thanks
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Post by mrzed » Oct 23 2016 11:51pm

I ordered from tumich last year and no problems. It's up to you if you want to take the risk of shipping without insurance as stated clearly.

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Post by Hillhater » Oct 24 2016 6:59pm

Hyena wrote:

Jnice wrote:
Highly Recommend Michal's Great work and Quality Cells. Packaging was fantastic. The shipping time to New Zealand was just under 4 weeks.


Wow, really ?? Presumably that was air and not sea shipping ?
I had an order to Australia shipped out in 2.5 months ago that still hasn't arrived!...
Sea freight times are totally dependant on "consolidated" freight timing and which ship departure that may catch and any container transshipment movements.
it doesnt take many days of bad weather, port delays, quarantine, etc etc, to make the difference of many weeks for package transit times.
Mine took 90 days to Sydney
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Post by vel80 » Oct 27 2016 6:45am

Hello,
Could somebody give any feedback about Samsung INR18650-35E cells? I am interesting mainly in the failure rate.
Thanks in advance!

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Post by wmj259 » Oct 27 2016 6:39pm

Need 20-60 cells. Whats the price to US? Thanks

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Post by Highfreak » Oct 28 2016 2:02am

wmj259 wrote:Need 20-60 cells. Whats the price to US? Thanks
You need to PM him if you want a reply and read FIRST post for current prices and what cells are available.

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Post by Offroader » Oct 28 2016 10:56am

wmj259 wrote:Need 20-60 cells. Whats the price to US? Thanks
Does it even make sense to ship them to US for that small quantity?

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Post by Mammalian04 » Oct 29 2016 3:05pm

I ordered about 450 cells. By the time they got here, both boxes looked like bags (had to ship in two boxes due to the number of cells). One "box-turned-bag" ripped open and about 20 of the 450 cells were missing. Not enough to go through the brain damage of filing a claim with the shipping company but just worth noting. It seems that the box was opened (probably by customs or some other inspection authority) and they did a shit job taping it back together, thus compromising the box structure. From there, it got torn/punctured and the loose cells must have started falling out. I might need to grab a few more to finish my second pack.

BTW, the tear didn't appear to be Tumich's fault so I didn't even bother him with it. Just note that anything can happen after some hack in an inspection department uses a piece of scotch tape and bubble gum to reseal your precious goods.

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Post by Highfreak » Oct 29 2016 6:26pm

Mammalian04 wrote:I ordered about 450 cells. By the time they got here, both boxes looked like bags (had to ship in two boxes due to the number of cells). One "box-turned-bag" ripped open and about 20 of the 450 cells were missing. Not enough to go through the brain damage of filing a claim with the shipping company but just worth noting. It seems that the box was opened (probably by customs or some other inspection authority) and they did a shit job taping it back together, thus compromising the box structure. From there, it got torn/punctured and the loose cells must have started falling out. I might need to grab a few more to finish my second pack.

BTW, the tear didn't appear to be Tumich's fault so I didn't even bother him with it. Just note that anything can happen after some hack in an inspection department uses a piece of scotch tape and bubble gum to reseal your precious goods.
That's not good news. Last time mine came through fine from the port on the East coast all the way to Alaska, but I just ordered 360 more. Hope mine fair better than yours. Sorry to hear that.

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Post by markz » Oct 29 2016 8:09pm

Mammalian04 wrote:I ordered about 450 cells. By the time they got here, both boxes looked like bags (had to ship in two boxes due to the number of cells). One "box-turned-bag" ripped open and about 20 of the 450 cells were missing. Not enough to go through the brain damage of filing a claim with the shipping company but just worth noting. It seems that the box was opened (probably by customs or some other inspection authority) and they did a shit job taping it back together, thus compromising the box structure. From there, it got torn/punctured and the loose cells must have started falling out. I might need to grab a few more to finish my second pack.

BTW, the tear didn't appear to be Tumich's fault so I didn't even bother him with it. Just note that anything can happen after some hack in an inspection department uses a piece of scotch tape and bubble gum to reseal your precious goods.
Government numbnuts are the stupidest people around.

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Post by tumich » Oct 30 2016 6:09am

Mammalian04 wrote:I ordered about 450 cells. By the time they got here, both boxes looked like bags (had to ship in two boxes due to the number of cells). One "box-turned-bag" ripped open and about 20 of the 450 cells were missing. Not enough to go through the brain damage of filing a claim with the shipping company but just worth noting. It seems that the box was opened (probably by customs or some other inspection authority) and they did a shit job taping it back together, thus compromising the box structure. From there, it got torn/punctured and the loose cells must have started falling out. I might need to grab a few more to finish my second pack.

BTW, the tear didn't appear to be Tumich's fault so I didn't even bother him with it. Just note that anything can happen after some hack in an inspection department uses a piece of scotch tape and bubble gum to reseal your precious goods.
You should write me about it. Parcel was full insured.
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Post by mudflap5 » Oct 30 2016 9:20am

Mammalian04 wrote:I ordered about 450 cells. By the time they got here, both boxes looked like bags (had to ship in two boxes due to the number of cells). One "box-turned-bag" ripped open and about 20 of the 450 cells were missing. Not enough to go through the brain damage of filing a claim with the shipping company but just worth noting. It seems that the box was opened (probably by customs or some other inspection authority) and they did a shit job taping it back together, thus compromising the box structure. From there, it got torn/punctured and the loose cells must have started falling out. I might need to grab a few more to finish my second pack.

BTW, the tear didn't appear to be Tumich's fault so I didn't even bother him with it. Just note that anything can happen after some hack in an inspection department uses a piece of scotch tape and bubble gum to reseal your precious goods.

Had the exact same thing happen about two months ago, package was mutilated, cut open, taped up, and 12 cells missing. Though no fault of tumich, he took care of it anyway!

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Post by Mammalian04 » Oct 31 2016 4:38pm

tumich wrote:
Mammalian04 wrote:I ordered about 450 cells. By the time they got here, both boxes looked like bags (had to ship in two boxes due to the number of cells). One "box-turned-bag" ripped open and about 20 of the 450 cells were missing. Not enough to go through the brain damage of filing a claim with the shipping company but just worth noting. It seems that the box was opened (probably by customs or some other inspection authority) and they did a shit job taping it back together, thus compromising the box structure. From there, it got torn/punctured and the loose cells must have started falling out. I might need to grab a few more to finish my second pack.

BTW, the tear didn't appear to be Tumich's fault so I didn't even bother him with it. Just note that anything can happen after some hack in an inspection department uses a piece of scotch tape and bubble gum to reseal your precious goods.
You should write me about it. Parcel was full insured.
Hi Tumich, I sent the photos to your email. Didn't mean to cause extra work on your part. I just wanted others to know that no matter how well we think we package something, overseas shipping is often subject to some guy with a box cutter!

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