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EU Group Buy for MXUS 3000W Hub Motor 177€ + Shipping

Post by \/ampa » Sep 19 2014 11:41am

Group buy for the MXUS 3000W 45mm Direct Drive Hub motor as noted in the original thread here:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =2&t=63142


The specifications are;
Color: Black
Drop-Out Width: 140mm (This is the smallest option they can provide)
kV/Winds: 15X4 4-Turn motor, for approximately 1km/h per volt ~8.33 Kv
Threaded Cover only, no freewheel included
Hall Sensors & Temperature sensor
Disc Brake Mounts
Phase wires 2.5mm² are good enough if kept short (80cm).
The 14mm axle is made of S45C steel.
0.5mm laminations

About 6 days shipping time with air express to Hamburg.

Waiting time for the e4bike MXUS 3000 version is till end of November.

Here is my calculation based on invoice from MXUS
3690USD for 20pcs MXUS XF40-45H shipped with Air cargo to Hamburg.
That is about 2905€ +22% taxes (19%)and customs (~3%)= 3544€ / 20 = 177€.

Pickup in Hamburg 0€ Shipping in Germany 6€
Shipping in EU i calculate the cheapest from Hermes or GLS or DHL
Handling 20€ per member. This includes repacking motors and PayPal fees and everything else.

Payment closed.
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Post by littleskull99 » Sep 19 2014 12:06pm

Pm sent..

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Post by louis raaijmakers » Sep 19 2014 1:49pm

hello,
hell yeah i want to join. :wink:
and i want to pay extra for DHL.
but do you have a date when you want to get them shipped?
becouse i want to finish my bike and don't want to wait 3 more months.

greetings louis raaijmakers\\

from the netherlands

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Post by \/ampa » Sep 19 2014 2:28pm

louis raaijmakers wrote:hello,
hell yeah i want to join. :wink:
and i want to pay extra for DHL.
but do you have a date when you want to get them shipped?
becouse i want to finish my bike and don't want to wait 3 more months.

greetings louis raaijmakers\\

from the netherlands
I also don't want wait for ever.
But we first have to get enough buy interest than we can decide.
No one knows exactly when they upgrade the motors and I'm no fortune teller.

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Post by Racer_X » Sep 19 2014 4:47pm

I am very interested in this. I believe that the MXUS 3000w hubmotor has potential. What has me on the fence is the skinny phase wires. I have a 1000w MXUS now and has the same size wire. The wires already get very hot when i run an infineon at 2000w. Can you imagine the new motor at 3-4000w? This has to be resolved \/ampa before you order and I am in!
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Post by cwah » Sep 19 2014 4:59pm

interested
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Post by BikeDuke » Sep 20 2014 4:01am

Interested, with upgraded phase wires.

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Post by nonlineartom » Sep 20 2014 5:15am

I'm in, with shipping to the UK. Are these laced up as mentioned in the other thread?
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Post by cwah » Sep 20 2014 6:01am

I need lacing too
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Post by k2nguru » Sep 20 2014 6:28am

Interested in 2. Pm sent :pancake:

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Post by ridethelightning » Sep 20 2014 8:14am

interested in one of these.
i wonder if shipping to Aus would kill it?

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Post by cut cat » Sep 20 2014 8:27am

I would be intrested in an Australian group buy.

Come on one Aussies....

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Post by teslanv » Sep 20 2014 8:45am

cut cat wrote:I would be intrested in an Australian group buy.

Come on one Aussies....
You should talk to Samd. I hear he already has some on the way...
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Post by \/ampa » Sep 20 2014 3:15pm

wow, this is much interest in a short time.
I will send MXUS now an inquiry with updated phase wires.
But if it is not possible because of limited space from the axle and bearing hole. That would be no reason to not buy.
Because when a 4mm² or better 6mm² cable is welded shortly (3-5cm) behind the cable exit point than there is only about 15-20cm of 13AWG 2.6mm² phase wire.
And that can carry pretty much current according to the calculator i used.
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Post by miuan » Sep 20 2014 6:04pm

Count me in for one!

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Post by ridethelightning » Sep 21 2014 3:25am

im keen to get one.
if anyone would be kind enough send one on to me in Aus, let me know.
have contacted samd here, no reply yet...

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Post by \/ampa » Sep 21 2014 3:41am

ridethelightning wrote:im keen to get one.
if anyone would be kind enough send one on to me in Aus, let me know.
have contacted samd here, no reply yet...
That would be 59€ DHL.
What import taxation you have in Aus?

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Post by louis raaijmakers » Sep 21 2014 4:15am

hi guys nice to see that we are getting closer to the minimun of 20 pcs.
but i think most of us can change the phase wire's by your self..
or is it the time you don't want to spend on it?
remeber it is a lot cheaper than a crystalyte, (4065 or 4080) more than 220 euro euro's cheaper and it also has a wider stator. :)

so i would say sign in and buy one so we all can have our mxus faster :lol:

greetings louis raaijmakers

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Post by Emoto » Sep 21 2014 4:48am

\/ampa wrote:
ridethelightning wrote:im keen to get one.
if anyone would be kind enough send one on to me in Aus, let me know.
have contacted samd here, no reply yet...
That would be 59€ DHL.
What import taxation you have in Aus?
Any thing under aus $1000. is free of import duty

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Post by \/ampa » Sep 21 2014 5:13am

Emoto wrote:
\/ampa wrote:
ridethelightning wrote:im keen to get one.
if anyone would be kind enough send one on to me in Aus, let me know.
have contacted samd here, no reply yet...
That would be 59€ DHL.
What import taxation you have in Aus?
Any thing under aus $1000. is free of import duty
Nice.
If 266€ for 3KW motor is still a good deal. You Aussies are welcome to join in.

Regarding the phase wire issues. I have played a little with the wire calculator.
For 80cm 3 wire 2.6mm² the waste/heat is @3KW 4,5w @5KW 13w @10KW 52w
I see no need for upgrading the phase wires. Peaks of 10KW and constant 3KW should be no problem.
But i am unsure if this is true. Would be nice if some one can confirm this.
Here is the link but its German language only http://www.elektro-schedel.de/hilfen_neu/index.htm

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Post by ridethelightning » Sep 21 2014 5:43am

59 euro is just fine for the postage. and yep, there would be no import duty on that

its possible there might be other folks here keen to get some, and therefore get the buy happening faster too.

if your happy to send one on to me id be very thankful. ill give samd a little time to reply to my pm first, if he doesnt, ill be in for one

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Post by Emoto » Sep 21 2014 5:59am

Nice.
If 266€ for 3KW motor is still a good deal. You Aussies are welcome to join in.

Regarding the phase wire issues. I have played a little with the wire calculator.
For 80cm 3 wire 2.6mm² the waste/heat is @3KW 4,5w @5KW 13w @10KW 52w
I see no need for upgrading the phase wires. Peaks of 10KW and constant 3KW should be no problem.
But i am unsure if this is true. Would be nice if some one can confirm this.
Here is the link but its German language only http://www.elektro-schedel.de/hilfen_neu/index.htm
Thanks world wide community :) i would suggest 12 awg as a minimum {as their standard is 16awg] and would get it done at factory that way you know the machined wire channel is deep/ wide enough as well... im sure it is.
i personally will fit 10awg and venting later for using at its peak power
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Post by \/ampa » Sep 21 2014 6:18am

Emoto wrote:
Nice.
If 266€ for 3KW motor is still a good deal. You Aussies are welcome to join in.

Regarding the phase wire issues. I have played a little with the wire calculator.
For 80cm 3 wire 2.6mm² the waste/heat is @3KW 4,5w @5KW 13w @10KW 52w
I see no need for upgrading the phase wires. Peaks of 10KW and constant 3KW should be no problem.
But i am unsure if this is true. Would be nice if some one can confirm this.
Here is the link but its German language only http://www.elektro-schedel.de/hilfen_neu/index.htm
Thanks word wide community :) i would suggest 12 awg as a minimum and would get it done at factory that way you know the machined wire channel is deep/ wide enough as well... im sure it is.
i personally will fit 10awg later for using at its peak power
table.png
Pic of Standard phases
If they have to weaken the axle even more and it also will be more expensive i clearly deny this suggestion. 8)
Its better to put 6mm² close to the wire exit from motor than your suggestion.

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Post by Emoto » Sep 21 2014 6:34am

My point being contact them and fit largest phase wire pos, i didnt mention machining axel.

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Post by \/ampa » Sep 21 2014 6:42am

Emoto wrote:My point being contact them and fit largest phase wire pos, i didnt mention machining axel.
Good.
There is still confusion if they have 16AWG or 13AWG as standard like spinnigmagnets mentioned on page 6 http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... &start=125

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