Dual Hub Motors on 10" Truck -- 1WD now available

Place for dealers to post items for sale.
User avatar
LEVer
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 876
Joined: Nov 07, 2012 3:29 am
Location: SoCal
Contact:

Dual Hub Motors on 10" Truck -- 1WD now available

Post by LEVer » Apr 14, 2015 2:34 am

UPDATE 12/22/2015: All Hub Motors come with matching front truck/wheels, spacer and bearings complete set. Free shipping in USA except to Alaska or Hawaii.

V2 DUAL HUB MOTORS ON 90MM OR 97MM WHEELS IS $599.

V2 SINGLE HUB MOTOR ON 90MM WHEELS IS $299

Please check recent posts for details.



UPDATE: I do not sell the original version anymore, all Hub motors come with flanges/lip.

149kv on blank 10" truck, price is $299.
20150611_155340.jpg
20150611_155340.jpg (56.17 KiB) Viewed 8467 times
149kv on blank 10" truck and front truck/wheels set, price is $349.
20150614_145452.jpg
20150614_145452.jpg (70.47 KiB) Viewed 8467 times
149kv on blank 10" truck, front truck/wheels set and 36x10 Speedboard shape deck, price is $399.
20150614_150235.jpg
20150614_150235.jpg (100.51 KiB) Viewed 8467 times
I can still sell them with Paris trucks, just add $25 for single truck or $50 for a truck set. Free shipping to USA except AK and HI.

Please PM me for questions. Thanks.




----Original Text----

Hey guys. I'm selling made-to-order dual SK3 149kv hub motors on a Paris 195mm truck for ...

Wheels are 90mm Abec11 clone. If you want a front truck with same no-name wheels, that will also be $50 extra.

These motors have no sensors. More pics and videos to follow.

ORIGINAL VERSION, lines up with Paris 150mm. They have a narrow wheel track, best for decks that are 9" or less wide.
Hub Motor.jpg
Hub Motor.jpg (49.36 KiB) Viewed 9754 times
Hub Motor 3.jpg
Hub Motor 3.jpg (209.28 KiB) Viewed 9076 times
WIDER VERSION, lines up with Paris 180mm. This is best for decks that are more than 9" wide. They are more stable at higher speed.
20150502_101905.jpg
20150502_101905.jpg (69.38 KiB) Viewed 9076 times
20150502_102027.jpg
20150502_102027.jpg (53.64 KiB) Viewed 9076 times
Last edited by LEVer on Feb 05, 2016 12:57 am, edited 16 times in total.

torqueboards
1.21 GW
1.21 GW
Posts: 3907
Joined: May 27, 2013 10:02 pm
Location: San Francisco, CA
Contact:

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by torqueboards » Apr 14, 2015 7:27 pm

Sold. I'll buy.
DIYElectricSkateboard.com Electric Skateboard Kits

User avatar
LEVer
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 876
Joined: Nov 07, 2012 3:29 am
Location: SoCal
Contact:

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by LEVer » Apr 14, 2015 8:12 pm

Cool. PM me. When is the VESC coming out?

Hightower
10 W
10 W
Posts: 71
Joined: Mar 14, 2015 10:45 am

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by Hightower » Apr 14, 2015 8:20 pm

Does this package come with 2 motors, 4 wheels, and 2 trucks (front-unmotored and back-motored)?

I'm curious how well the unsensored hub motors work. So far most attempts at hub motors have been sensored, but VESC (and other ESC that "mimic" sensored motor performance) could very well improve unsenosred performance.

User avatar
LEVer
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 876
Joined: Nov 07, 2012 3:29 am
Location: SoCal
Contact:

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by LEVer » Apr 14, 2015 8:50 pm

Hightower wrote:Does this package come with 2 motors, 4 wheels, and 2 trucks (front-unmotored and back-motored)?

I'm curious how well the unsensored hub motors work. So far most attempts at hub motors have been sensored, but VESC (and other ESC that "mimic" sensored motor performance) could very well improve unsenosred performance.
No, it does not. The track (wheel's edge-to-edge) of the Paris with hub motor wheels is narrower than when you just put on normal wheels. Some people want to maintain the track width of the two trucks, so they will buy a shorter Paris truck to compensate.
But I can include another 195mm Paris and two wheels for $300 total including shipping to continental US.

I have used Skyrc Toro150A ESC, which has point-by-point throttle and braking curve adjustment instead of by 10s, with this SK3 149KV (although it was with a belt), and the ESC do make a difference.
The ESC settings can make the board run like its just a normal, unpowered board. The coasting or neutral range is really wide. This makes it less jerky than when I was using Tacon 160 motor and Hobbywing ESC.
It still will not start smoothly from a dead-stop, but it's more of a pulsing/hiccup action than convulsing one. I believe Jacob also uses SkyRC with his hub motors and he says the motors run smooth.

Of course, VESC will make it a lot better.

silviasol
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 983
Joined: Dec 30, 2012 8:13 pm

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by silviasol » Apr 15, 2015 4:13 pm

Do you sell the motor/wheel only? I have wanted to build a small scooter with skateboard wheels. How does the motor attach to the truck? If I welded the right size threaded shaft to my scooter can I just slide the motor on and bolt it in like I would a skateboard wheel?

Btw I have vesc's available right now
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 31&t=68421
Current project: 10s 20ah sensored goped hoverboard
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 35&t=62155

User avatar
LEVer
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 876
Joined: Nov 07, 2012 3:29 am
Location: SoCal
Contact:

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by LEVer » Apr 15, 2015 5:57 pm

The diameter of the out side hole is 8mm, for the 8mm skateboard axle. The diameter of the in side hole is 14mm, the diameter of the hanger--which wraps around the 8mm axle.

I guess if you can find a 8mm axle and thread it through a 14mm cylinder and make the 8mm axle protrude out from both side, you can attach a fork on them.
I'm thinking for a scooter you only want one wheel in the back and one wheel in the front right?

EDIT: But thinking about it now, 8mm is too small a diameter for a single axle on one wheel to hold up a person.

User avatar
LEVer
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 876
Joined: Nov 07, 2012 3:29 am
Location: SoCal
Contact:

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by LEVer » Apr 15, 2015 6:07 pm

Unless...you are putting motors on something like this:


Image

Hightower
10 W
10 W
Posts: 71
Joined: Mar 14, 2015 10:45 am

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by Hightower » Apr 16, 2015 8:53 am

OMG BAHAHA! Tell me you made those in photoshop!

User avatar
LEVer
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 876
Joined: Nov 07, 2012 3:29 am
Location: SoCal
Contact:

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by LEVer » Apr 16, 2015 9:50 am

Hehe, they're real. Sbyke.com.

The concept of fixed bmx front wheel and turning rear torsion truck "sounds better" than it looks. :mrgreen:

User avatar
parabellum
1 MW
1 MW
Posts: 1963
Joined: Nov 19, 2010 9:55 am
Location: Dominican Republic, north.

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by parabellum » Apr 16, 2015 9:36 pm

I wonder about the turn radius of those things. :lol:

User avatar
LEVer
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 876
Joined: Nov 07, 2012 3:29 am
Location: SoCal
Contact:

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by LEVer » Apr 17, 2015 12:42 am

There is another version right now in Kickstarter. Looks better to me:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/77 ... alfbike-ii

Image

agraham
10 W
10 W
Posts: 80
Joined: Feb 23, 2015 8:57 pm
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by agraham » Apr 17, 2015 6:11 pm

Pediglide wrote:The track (wheel's edge-to-edge) of the Paris with hub motor wheels is narrower than when you just put on normal wheels. Some people want to maintain the track width of the two trucks, so they will buy a shorter Paris truck to compensate.
But I can include another 195mm Paris and two wheels for $300 total including shipping to continental US.
Do you think it will ride weird with the rear track wider than the front? If so, what truck width would you recommend for the back?

User avatar
LEVer
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 876
Joined: Nov 07, 2012 3:29 am
Location: SoCal
Contact:

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by LEVer » Apr 18, 2015 4:33 am

agraham wrote:
Do you think it will ride weird with the rear track wider than the front? If so, what truck width would you recommend for the back?
Are you going to put the hub motors in front? I feel like riding with rear track wider than front is actually more stable, less speed wobble.

In any case, using a Paris 180mm 50 degrees for the non-motorized wheels would almost have the same track width as the Paris 195mm with hub motors.

User avatar
LEVer
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 876
Joined: Nov 07, 2012 3:29 am
Location: SoCal
Contact:

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by LEVer » Apr 19, 2015 3:06 am

Here are some testing videos:





BTW, price is $299 shipped to USA

User avatar
LEVer
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 876
Joined: Nov 07, 2012 3:29 am
Location: SoCal
Contact:

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by LEVer » Apr 26, 2015 2:28 am

Black Paris truck available:
Attachments
Black Paris Hub Motors.jpg
Black Paris Hub Motors.jpg (28.95 KiB) Viewed 9138 times

User avatar
LEVer
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 876
Joined: Nov 07, 2012 3:29 am
Location: SoCal
Contact:

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by LEVer » May 02, 2015 1:00 pm

Re-designed, now wheels are pushed out. It's more stable at higher speeds. This version is $349 with free shipping to USA.
Attachments
20150502_101905.jpg
20150502_101905.jpg (69.38 KiB) Viewed 9063 times
20150502_102027.jpg
20150502_102027.jpg (53.64 KiB) Viewed 9063 times
20150502_102135.jpg
20150502_102135.jpg (51.28 KiB) Viewed 9063 times

User avatar
LEVer
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 876
Joined: Nov 07, 2012 3:29 am
Location: SoCal
Contact:

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by LEVer » May 15, 2015 12:18 pm

20150514_103154.jpg
20150514_103154.jpg (76.01 KiB) Viewed 8814 times
20150514_103233.jpg
20150514_103233.jpg (72.82 KiB) Viewed 8814 times



User avatar
LEVer
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 876
Joined: Nov 07, 2012 3:29 am
Location: SoCal
Contact:

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by LEVer » Jun 11, 2015 7:28 pm

This is the 149kv on blank 10" trucks, price is only $299 compared to the $349 on Paris 195mm truck.
20150611_155340.jpg
20150611_155340.jpg (56.17 KiB) Viewed 8558 times
For an update on the prices and current models, please see top of the page.

User avatar
LEVer
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 876
Joined: Nov 07, 2012 3:29 am
Location: SoCal
Contact:

Re: Dual Hub Motors on Paris Truck

Post by LEVer » Jun 20, 2015 7:18 pm

I'm offering more choices, please see top of page for prices. Thanks!

User avatar
justin_le
1 MW
1 MW
Posts: 1997
Joined: May 28, 2007 3:27 am
Location: Vancouver
Contact:

Re: Dual Hub Motors on 10" Truck

Post by justin_le » Jul 07, 2015 3:57 am

Very nice work Pedeglide and I'd like to buy two front/rear wheel sets, one with the stock trucks and the other with Paris trucks. That way I can compare how each of the truck styles adapts to machining for strain gauge installation and strain stability for weight activated control. Can you indicate what the lead time is for a pair? There is an electric vehicle show in Vancouver in 2 weeks and I'm trying to see if it's realistic to add a couple more boards to the fleet :mrgreen:
Big Dummy Frame (yes This One, thanks ES!) with prototype 26" Grin all-axle front hub, Phaserunner controller, and 52V 11Ah Cellman triangle pack
My website: http://www.ebikes.ca
Please contact via email, info@ebikes.ca, rather than PMs, which are disabled

agraham
10 W
10 W
Posts: 80
Joined: Feb 23, 2015 8:57 pm
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada

Re: Dual Hub Motors on 10" Truck

Post by agraham » Jul 07, 2015 5:14 pm

justin_le wrote:Very nice work Pedeglide and I'd like to buy two front/rear wheel sets, one with the stock trucks and the other with Paris trucks. That way I can compare how each of the truck styles adapts to machining for strain gauge installation and strain stability for weight activated control. Can you indicate what the lead time is for a pair? There is an electric vehicle show in Vancouver in 2 weeks and I'm trying to see if it's realistic to add a couple more boards to the fleet :mrgreen:
I've got a set on Paris trucks. I can bring 'em over for you to look at if you'll machine them for me to put the strain gauges on.

CSN
100 W
100 W
Posts: 162
Joined: Mar 05, 2015 12:59 am

Re: Dual Hub Motors on 10" Truck

Post by CSN » Jul 11, 2015 1:15 am

can you change wheel bearings? What is the procedure?

It's interesting.

I am running single motor Torqueboards 50mm motor and 12s ESC.

I have heard the glide or coast is really good on hub motors.

How does the braking compare? Is braking sufficient on hubwheels? I mean on downhills. Not just on flat terrains.

User avatar
LEVer
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 876
Joined: Nov 07, 2012 3:29 am
Location: SoCal
Contact:

Re: Dual Hub Motors on 10" Truck

Post by LEVer » Jul 11, 2015 1:41 pm

Hey guys, sorry I just read this today. Been quite busy lately.
justin_le wrote:Very nice work Pedeglide and I'd like to buy two front/rear wheel sets, one with the stock trucks and the other with Paris trucks. That way I can compare how each of the truck styles adapts to machining for strain gauge installation and strain stability for weight activated control. Can you indicate what the lead time is for a pair? There is an electric vehicle show in Vancouver in 2 weeks and I'm trying to see if it's realistic to add a couple more boards to the fleet :mrgreen:
Thanks Justin! I'm sorry but all my motors here are reserved already and looking at Hobbyking, they are all out too. Once I get more, I'll build them and send it towards your way. Don't worry about it, it's on me. My way of saying "thank you!" for keeping Endless Sphere alive and kicking.
CSN wrote:can you change wheel bearings? What is the procedure?

It's interesting.

I am running single motor Torqueboards 50mm motor and 12s ESC.

I have heard the glide or coast is really good on hub motors.

How does the braking compare? Is braking sufficient on hubwheels? I mean on downhills. Not just on flat terrains.
Yes you can change the two bearings easily on the exterior side as you just pull out the rotor once you've taken out the four screws. The big bearing in the interior is a bit harder to remove as you would need to also remove the stator, which have red loctite in them.

I believe once you ride Hub motors, you would not want to go back to belts. The coasting is amazing and the braking precise and strong. The two big motors will stop you going downhill and will not slip like on belt drives.

Here is a short video to show the acceleration, coasting and braking. As you can see the acceleration is strong. At :23 I started coasting and you could see how far I went. The braking is a bit loud though, but not jerky at all.


CSN
100 W
100 W
Posts: 162
Joined: Mar 05, 2015 12:59 am

Re: Dual Hub Motors on 10" Truck

Post by CSN » Jul 11, 2015 3:39 pm

The glide seems great.... does it seem to increase the range versus similar belted setup? I would imagine on rolling or flat terrain it could really help range.

What's up with the braking noise? Could that be from not being sensor'd or regen? or likely to improve in the future?

Let's say dry conditions similar to LA for here in the California desert. If the board was kept out of wet and humid conditions then how many miles would be a rough guess about bearing life or service?

Has anyone tried dual diagonal hub setup? Any reasons why that would be a good or bad idea?

What are the wheel color choices?

There does seem to be some new maintenance issues like the bearings but would be great to lose belt and motor mounts hardware and adjustments.

Post Reply