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15/18F Silent Controller 36-150V BT-iOS-Android/GPS-$179-199

Post by Powervelocity.com » Jan 27, 2016 7:16 pm

9/22/2017
A video manual on how to program controllers from a smartphone with brief descriptions of the settings is posted here:



Connection diagram for all controllers has been posted on the website 7/3/2017

http://powervelocity.com/index.php?cont ... achment=30



iOS version is Now Available 2/28/2017

Long awaited iPhone version of the programming app, has now been released to the App Store.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/powerve ... ?ls=1&mt=8

Only modules sold starting from today will support both Android and iOS versions.
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Android App Update 2/28/2017

Every setting is now accompanied with the description of what it does. Just tap the question mark.

The updated version is here:
http://powervelocity.com/index.php?cont ... achment=28
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Update 2/24/2017

Yet another update of the Android App.
http://powervelocity.com/index.php?cont ... achment=27

Update 2/20/2017

A new version of the Android app is released. Lots of improvements, here is just a few to mention:

- Complete support for all versions of controllers including 6, 12, 15, 18, and 24 Fet, 100V, 120V, and 150V;
- LVC, Regen Voltage are now precisely calibrated - what you set is what you get;
- Bug fixes.

Available for download here:
http://powervelocity.com/index.php?cont ... achment=28
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Update 11/8/2016
Smartphone-BT functionality got some enhancements. It's is now possible to program the controllers without the need to do the power cycle. Simply stop in a safe place, take out a phone, change the parameters as you like, tap "Flash" and done. The bike is ready to go.


Update 10/28/2016

Now offering 15Fet controllers with all the same features of the bigger brother, 18Fet controller, just about 25% smaller and lower price.
This can be a great middle ground for builds that need a bit more power than available with 12Fet controllers but space is limited.

Good for up to 6kw (60A and 100v). $179 with free shipping within continental US.
All the same options, including Bluetooth smartphone programming are available.

Here are some pictures for size comparison. The 15Fet controller is in the middle.
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Update 9/28/2016

XPD Software now can be used to program our controllers. That offers ability to program controllers from operating systems other than Windows. Plus it unlocks wider ranges of settings.
The new version of XPD is available here:
https://sourceforge.net/p/xpd-ebike/cod ... ree/trunk/

Enjoy.

Update 9/20/2016

Android app programming manual is now available:
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Update 9/7/2016

BT programming interface has been updated. The Android app is now downloadable at:
http://powervelocity.com/index.php?cont ... achment=15
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Update 9/7/2016

Some details on the smartphone/Bluetooth programming functionality are revealed:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... &start=500

Update 8/14/2016
Tested to work with Cromotor v1. Phase and hall combos are added below.

Update 8/13/2016

Wireless programming (over Bluetooth) is now an option on 18Fet and 12Fet controllers.
Tested to work well on Windows 10. Currently working on getting it work properly with Windows 7.

Update 7/16/2016

Phase and Hall combos for Clyte H-series motors (H35,40, etc.) added below.

Update 6/27/2016

You asked for it - we delivered. Variable regen is now an option on this controller.
We are working out details and they will be available soon.


Update 6/22/2016

International shipping rates are updated
$35 priority (6-10 business days) any destination, controller only, some options may be extra.
$70 express (3-5 days) any destination, controller only.

Update 6/2/2016

Crystalyte TC3080 "Crown" has been known to have some compatibility issues with certain popular controllers.
According to the road tests done by ES member Andrmorr, this motor runs smooth and silent on a 18Fet Sino controller.

Update 6/1/2016

Programming manual added.
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Update 5/14/2016

Controller is now independently tested to be compatible with the following motors:

MXUS 3000, v1, 2, 3, Leaf Motor, Crown TC3080, QS 205, Crystalyte H35, H40, more to come (also see below motor-specific phase/halls mappings)
All reported to be operating quietly and smoothly.

Update 5/9/2016:

Now 120V option is available at the same price - it comes with original 4115Fets and 120V caps (can potentially be upgraded to 150v) if you would like even more volts.

Spec/feature highlights:

- Violently silent (or silently violent), quick response to the throttle, strong and smooth acceleration from a dead stop without drama;

- Small and light package for the power it packs, weight: 0.7Kg/1.5lbs, dimensions are 8 1/2 x 3 1/2 x 1 7/8 ''

- Based on proven Xie-Chang/Infineon controller platform (censored) that is great for further modifications/hacking but comes with a new MCU allowing all the standard set of Infineon controller features (cruise, 3/4speed selection, regen, PAS, settings, etc) plus a number of new configuration options with the programming software (see a screenshot below);

- 18 FETs, two voltage range options: genuine IRFB4110 low resistance 3.7 mOhms (up to 100v) or IRFB4115 and 120V capacitors (120v), up to 150v possible with upgraded caps;

- Battery amps are programmable up to 99A and phase amps up to 370A, voltage range 36-I00V or 36-120V. I am running it reliably at 80A/200A, 88v nominal (100.8v charged) which is more than enough to unleash the beast in my heavy 120lbs bike but those more adventurous can push it further with additional mods (thicker batt/phase wires, beefing up traces, larger caps, etc.);

- A wide range of regenerative brake strength settings: 200 units instead of 2 settings available in older Infineon controllers. This feature alone can be a deal breaker for some people that need to have finely adjusted regen;

- Soft start setting with configurable ramp-up (set via software);

- 130% over speed settings that allows even higher speeds;

- Flux/field weakening control that allows to further tweak motor for speed. Tested unloaded speed with 130% overspeed, 11kv motor in 17'' moto rim and 88v battery: 130 mph/209 kmh (see screenshot below).

- "Soft LVC" setting (adjustable individually for each of the three/four speeds) allows to limit the current and/or speed below the LVC rather than cutting it off altogether. I would imagine a scenario where this can be used as a way to manage the range anxiety, reducing the power output after the charge level drops below a certain level but still will help to make it to a destination;

- Separate current and speed setting for each speed position setting;

- Heatsink aluminum box with larger fins (compared to 18FET Infineons) helps better with heat dissipation;

- $199 with free shipping within continental US

- International priority shipping (6-10 business days, any destination) is $35, controller only, options that increase shipping volume and weight may incur additional shipping cost;

- International express shipping (3-5 business days, any destination) is $70, controller only, options that increase shipping volume and weight may incur additional shipping cost;

- PayPal accepted.


Options:

- Programming cable - $15 ( if not needed, controller voltage/current, other settings can be customized to the specs before shipping);

- Bluetooth programming - $45

- Cycle Analyst connector - $10

- Throttle (half-twist) - $15

- Alarm/GPS tracking system mated to this controller, pre-wired/plug-and-play (Sound alarm on vibration detection/power disconnect, SMS alerts, remote listening via phone, GPS tracking, remote arm/disarm/panic/motor lock, remote start and much more - details will follow) - $70

- Cycle Analyst version 3 Direct Plugin - $125 (this price if purchased with controller)

- Universal DC stepdown voltage converter for 12v accessories (input voltage 36-100v output 12v 10A), wired into controller and turned on/of with the switch key - $25

- Anything else you can think of - ask and chances are, it can be done.


Update 5/14/2016

Various motor phase/hall mappings:

- MXUS 3000, v1, 2, 3
Phase and hall colors match exactly:
Y - Y
B - B
G - G

- Leaf Motor
Match hall and phase color exactly

or use this combo:

Phase
Y - Y
B - G
G - B

Halls
Y - B
B - Y
G - G

Crystalyte H35, 40, Crown, etc.
Motor to controller:
Phases
G - Y
Y - B
B - G

Halls
G - B
Y - G
B - Y

- QS 205
Both phases and halls green, blue are switched:
Y - Y
G - B
B - G

Cromotor
Motor to Controller:

Phases
B Y
G G
Y B

Halls
B Y
G G
Y B

To be continued...


Here come some pictures (I will be adding more).

Controller 18FET
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A sine wave signal registered on the phase wires
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Programming interface (let me know if there are any inaccuracies - I translated it from Chinese which is not my mother tongue ;)
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Controller on a bike - painted black
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Here is one painted white
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Top speed test -120 mph / 192 km/h (17'' moto rim, 11kv motor, unloaded), tools fell from the shelf in my shop because of the the wind the rear 3'' Shinko tire produced when I hit the throttle
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Sinewave scope measurements (courtesy of Fetcher see here for more details https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... &start=200):
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Alarm/tracker for Sinewave Programmable Controller 100V

Post by Powervelocity.com » Jan 27, 2016 7:25 pm

Some history info (moved from the original posting):

I've been running 100v at 70A and above on my hub-motor bikes for quite some time and have used square wave controllers that generally worked fine with only one pet peeve: motor rumbling on hard start (something I like to do a lot) and vibration transferred to the frame. The noise became especially pronounced after I drilled holes in motors for additional cooling. At some point, it was even embarrassing to try to sell people on the virtues of ebiking with my bikes making these kinds of sounds like a gas moped.

So, I've been looking for a sinewave replacement that could handle 100v and higher currents but that meant the target price needed to go up by at least 30% for off-the-shelf products.

Finally, after some research and experimenting, I came up with a modded controller that can run at 100v and above 70A silently and still doesn't break the bank. My hi-power bikes are now noise and rattle free, no more vibration transferred to the frame, they launch smooth and strong like rockets only without the rattle drama. I am now offering this controller with mods and programming software at the price point that I think would be very attractive considering the number of features it packs.
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Post by evolutiongts » Jan 27, 2016 7:31 pm

Looks beast whose the manufacture? Also aren't you selling a CA on eBay?
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Post by 100volts+ » Jan 27, 2016 7:51 pm

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Post by cwah » Jan 27, 2016 8:15 pm

No cariable regen? It's just slightly cheaper than a kelly
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Post by Powervelocity.com » Jan 27, 2016 8:29 pm

I've tried Kellys and I ditched them early on. Maybe need to give it another try. They are solid built and reliable controllers but, personally, feel a bit golf-cartish to me (just not my style :)
Another thing is that Kelly's ebike series is limited to 72v, well 84v at 2-3x the price of this controller. Again, not something I want to go back to after experiencing 100V. I've been actually very pleased with fixed regen, once you set it right. It's more intuitive on brake levers vs. another throttle for braking. And then the modding component - I can mod the hell out of this controller, not something I would want do with Kellys.
cwah wrote:No cariable regen? It's just slightly cheaper than a kelly

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Post by evolutiongts » Jan 27, 2016 9:18 pm

Is this true sinewave? because I tried a MXUS Sinewave controller and I was dissapointed, since it was just squarewave with a bit of sinewave in programming. Meaning, only during cruising does it switch to sinewave under acceleration I can still hear noise.

I have a Sabvoton sinewave controller and thats a true sinewave with current throttle, very smooth and silent.

Is this controller current throttle?
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Post by evolutiongts » Jan 27, 2016 11:38 pm

powervelocity.com wrote:It is very quiet/silent compared to anything I've used before (including Kellys) but I have to do some more scientific tests to determine the purity of the wave.
how is the throttle response? Is it torque / current throttle?
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Post by evolutiongts » Jan 28, 2016 12:23 am

Let me know because I am interested in buying one for testing how many do you have?
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Post by markz » Jan 28, 2016 2:53 am

I am very interested in this controller.
I like the fact it can go to 96A battery amps and 370A phase amps with a voltage range of 36-I00V.
My Lyen one only went up to 65A for the same price as yours.


Plus you got the tracking too, is that alarm/tracking sent to your Android or iPhone so when you get the buzzzzzzz you grab da bat and do sum batting practice at 2am :twisted: Thats some serious Texas style justice, I love it. Garage door open, gun loaded, hide in the corner and BAM, justice served. No charges. Grrrrreat!

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Post by cwah » Jan 28, 2016 3:09 am

powervelocity.com wrote:I've tried Kellys and I ditched them early on. Maybe need to give it another try. They are solid built and reliable controllers but, personally, feel a bit golf-cartish to me (just not my style :)
Another thing is that Kelly's ebike series is limited to 72v, well 84v at 2-3x the price of this controller. Again, not something I want to go back to after experiencing 100V. I've been actually very pleased with fixed regen, once you set it right. It's more intuitive on brake levers vs. another throttle for braking.
I have a kelly 300A 72V and it's very silent, very smooth, powerful and with variable regen.

The variable regen allow me to use the right level of regen and not always max it out when I don't need. I just kept my front brake as variable regen is modular enough!

For now, I can't much wrong from kelly.... apart from its massive size but for the price I'm happy with that!
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Post by macribs » Jan 28, 2016 8:48 am

What is max continuous output and what is peak output power?

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Post by Emoto » Jan 28, 2016 10:17 am

Any chance on a 24fet version :)
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Post by Powervelocity.com » Jan 28, 2016 12:59 pm

cwah wrote:
powervelocity.com wrote:I've tried Kellys and I ditched them early on. Maybe need to give it another try. They are solid built and reliable controllers but, personally, feel a bit golf-cartish to me (just not my style :)
Another thing is that Kelly's ebike series is limited to 72v, well 84v at 2-3x the price of this controller. Again, not something I want to go back to after experiencing 100V. I've been actually very pleased with fixed regen, once you set it right. It's more intuitive on brake levers vs. another throttle for braking.
I have a kelly 300A 72V and it's very silent, very smooth, powerful and with variable regen.

The variable regen allow me to use the right level of regen and not always max it out when I don't need. I just kept my front brake as variable regen is modular enough!

For now, I can't much wrong from kelly.... apart from its massive size but for the price I'm happy with that!
Kellys are good controllers, I've used their mini series and they worked wonders. It was pretty amazing to see how controller that small with 50A load was barely getting warm. I even kept it inside the frame bag together with the battery, it basically needed no cooling. I never got to try variable regen on it, as I went to 100V and at that point Kellys were a limiting factor (capped at 90V). Since then I used fixed regen on Chinese controllers and it worked generally well. I also have it only on the front brake lever, so, when when I barely touch it, I am getting only regen (good for modulating speed), I squeeze it all the way, I am getting regen (rear) and front braking. If I don't need regen, I simply engage the right lever (rear brakes). Worked well this way. I am thinking a variable regen done right would require a specially designed lever with built-in potentiometer. Using a thumb throttle for it can be fun but will be confusing for most regular/non-geeky riders (not fully initiated into ebiking ;))

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Post by evolutiongts » Jan 28, 2016 1:02 pm

Any news on the throttle? Current or speed.
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Post by Powervelocity.com » Jan 28, 2016 1:26 pm

macribs wrote:What is max continuous output and what is peak output power?
This is modded controller with the modded software that allows to push the amps way above what the manufacturer envisioned.
I've replaced the original low quality MOSFETs with good original ones and beefed up the circuitry and wiring to allow for more amps.
80A at 100V top is where I am running it continuously, so that would make it 8kw of continuous output power provided that the controller is placed outside with lots of air circulation. The software currently allows to set it to 96A max (that would be 9,6kw peak power) but I would run it at that level only for quick jolts.


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Post by drewjet » Jan 28, 2016 1:38 pm

How about efficiency compared to a regular controller?

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Post by Powervelocity.com » Jan 28, 2016 2:57 pm

Efficiency would very much depend on how you chose to configure it and your riding style. Performance and efficiency are on the opposite sides of the scales - you get more performance at the expense of the efficiency and the other way around. If you launch it from stop (like I do), the efficiency will go to the drain. If you baby the throttle, the efficiency will go up as high as 2x or more. But just for the sake of the reference, I've been averaging 60wh/m on fake MOSFETs with this controller on a heavy 120lbs steel frame bike and 45 wh/m on lighter aluminum frame bike running on average 35mph on flat ground. I am yet to fully test and record the efficiency after MOSFET and other upgrades (lower resistance=less heat=more efficiency). Will update the thread once I have more solid data.
drewjet wrote:How about efficiency compared to a regular controller?


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Post by markz » Jan 28, 2016 3:45 pm

So many comments about Kelly controllers, this is the Xie-Chang controller which people like to call Infineon because it just stuck, someone saw an Infineon chip in it and called it that and the masses took hold of it. Like calling motors torque motors or speed motors, which is another myth described at length in another thread. I try my best not to conitnue the false info but I still call my controller the wrong term, others have too.

Anyways lots to choose from, I myself couldnt find no 24fet Xie-Chang. I will leave it there because the OP is working on it. BTW love the winks to elude to, well whatever. :wink:

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