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Post by Powervelocity.com » Sep 02 2016 4:19pm

Any TTL USB adapter will work with correct wiring. In case with Lyen/Em3v, you will need to move the yellow wire to the green one. However, different cables may have different wire color scheme.
Here is the connection diagram

Controller USB TTL
TX ------------------------- RX
RX ------------------------ TX
SDA ------------------------ RX
5v ------------------------ 5v
Gnd ---button (optional)- -----Gnd

So, technically, when you plug in the cable, you are shorting SDA and RX on the controller. Cable needs to be plugged in to the controller with the pack power being OFF.

Simple818 wrote:Question?? Will the old Infineon program cable that you can but from Lyen or Em3ev work with this controller? Or is it totally different?

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Post by Altair » Sep 03 2016 9:05am

I also have a problem in registering one of the ocx files.
You can see on the pic that the file is obviously there, and that the name is correct. This is on Windows10.
The 3 other ocx files registered fine.
Can anyone help me?
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Post by Powervelocity.com » Sep 06 2016 11:47am

That's expected as you copied the files to system32 folder rather than SysWOW64 needed on Windows 7/10.

Open your command prompt under admin context change directory to where OCX files are (example: cd c:\Sinewave_controller\)
and run these commands:

COPY COMDLG32.OCX %SYSTEMROOT%\SysWOW64
COPY MSCOMCTL.OCX %SYSTEMROOT%\SysWOW64
COPY MSCOMM32.OCX %SYSTEMROOT%\SysWOW64
COPY RICHTX32.OCX %SYSTEMROOT%\SysWOW64

REGSVR32 %SYSTEMROOT%\SysWOW64\COMDLG32.OCX
REGSVR32 %SYSTEMROOT%\SysWOW64\MSCOMCTL.OCX
REGSVR32 %SYSTEMROOT%\SysWOW64\MSCOMM32.OCX
REGSVR32 %SYSTEMROOT%\SysWOW64\RICHTX32.OCX

Or just run the script install64.bat that is bundled with the software.




Altair wrote:I also have a problem in registering one of the ocx files.
You can see on the pic that the file is obviously there, and that the name is correct. This is on Windows10.
The 3 other ocx files registered fine.
Can anyone help me?

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Post by Powervelocity.com » Sep 07 2016 3:08pm

Since some people have been inquiring about smartphone/Bluetooth programming functionality and we are getting closer to releasing the beta version of the Android app, I am going to give a sneak peek on what's coming.

Here are just some functionality highlights:

- Ability to remember the programmed parameters within the smartphone application. No more need to save the ASV files then load them each time you need to change just one parameter - just open the application and the last flashed config will be there);

- LVC, regen, etc. will be displaying the actual values. No need to do the calculations like (real LVC + 2) x 0.75, that all native software requires;

- Additional ranges for config settings that have been hidden/constrained in the native software will now be accessible;

- Both 12Fet and 18Fet sinwave controllers are supported.

Obviously, the biggest appeal of the BT programming is the convenience: settings can be quickly changed on the go, in the field. No more messing around with the wires, USB dongles, or laptops. No more installing libraries or figuring out what com port to use. Just pair the controller with your phone and hit "Connect". Select parameters and hit "Program". Done.

We will be offering the Smartphone/BT programming functionality free for the first three controllers sold with the BT option selected. In return, we will be asking to test and report bugs.
Going forward, BT/Smartphone programming will be an additional paid option but we are pretty confident that it will be the best value for the price available on the market today.

More details are coming soon. Stay tuned.


Here is just some idea of what the interface will be looking like.
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Post by ABritInNY » Sep 08 2016 12:54am

Will there be anyway to backwards connect this BT functionality to older Esc's or only on brand new units?
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Post by Jestronix » Sep 09 2016 1:27am

I have two bluetooth units from my old yuyangking controllers, i wonder if they could be used. Ill dig up the details on them when i can. retrofit would be great.

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Post by Samd » Sep 09 2016 4:50am

Yep they can.


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Post by FluxZoom » Sep 09 2016 5:15am

Powervelocity.com wrote:Here is just some idea of what the interface will be looking like.
https://youtu.be/3oLuxhYO5cw?t=70

Have you tried changing the settings and hitting that program button when you have the motor lifted and turning?

Any plans on working in the ability to add in temperature sensor data to the controller? Monitoring something like motor temperature might be a nice feature.

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Post by Powervelocity.com » Sep 09 2016 10:33am

No plans to support those modules as they would be a limiting factor to what I am planning to implement in the software.
My hardware modules are technically small computers in themselves with ability to store and process data on the controller side. They are able to collect data from a wide variety of inputs, sensors, etc. process it and exchange with the smartphone app.

Jestronix wrote:I have two bluetooth units from my old yuyangking controllers, i wonder if they could be used. Ill dig up the details on them when i can. retrofit would be great.
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Post by Powervelocity.com » Sep 09 2016 10:45am

The wheel will not spin with a programming cable connected. Kind of a safety mechanism. That may be different with the BT programming. I will have to test.

Yes, on the the temp sensors. Can be added and programmed to trigger power rollbacks, etc.


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Powervelocity.com wrote:Here is just some idea of what the interface will be looking like.
https://youtu.be/3oLuxhYO5cw?t=70

Have you tried changing the settings and hitting that program button when you have the motor lifted and turning?

Any plans on working in the ability to add in temperature sensor data to the controller? Monitoring something like motor temperature might be a nice feature.

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Post by ABritInNY » Sep 10 2016 2:23am

Great to hear we're also gonna have the enjoyment of the BT functionality, kudos on that...
On a side note I just got the mxus 3kw and was shocked to find bare cables only a foot or so long, not exactly plug n play with the controller it was mated to lol... slight delay therefore as I wait for 6pin molex connectors and make an extension harness, wish you'd have told me at least and I couldv'e pre-bought the week of delivery :( so still waiting to get back riding.
Gotta test my 3 speed again cos it all seemed the same power last time as I remember?
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Post by ABritInNY » Sep 10 2016 2:25am

Samd wrote:Yep they can.


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so what do you know that Vadym doesn't? I'm just curious...
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Post by Powervelocity.com » Sep 10 2016 10:04am

Yep, those are silver plated PTFE wires that fit the axle hole but are not practical or cost effective for running longer distances. Just use 10-11AWG silicon wires to make a harness. Or whatever wires you can find that are adequate gauge for the amps you will be running. Having a disconnect closer to the motor will also allow you to quickly dismount the wheel when needed (like when there is a flat to be fixed).
ABritInNY wrote:Great to hear we're also gonna have the enjoyment of the BT functionality, kudos on that...
On a side note I just got the mxus 3kw and was shocked to find bare cables only a foot or so long, not exactly plug n play with the controller it was mated to lol... slight delay therefore as I wait for 6pin molex connectors and make an extension harness, wish you'd have told me at least and I couldv'e pre-bought the week of delivery :( so still waiting to get back riding.
Gotta test my 3 speed again cos it all seemed the same power last time as I remember?

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Post by ABritInNY » Sep 12 2016 3:17am

Yes I'll be running 10 guage superworm super low resistance, silicon wire for my phase harness and 18awg stranded, for my Halls and thermistor harness, Yes I know that shorter axle wiring makes for an easier rear wheel change, but it's also alot more hassle and effort than the plug n play my lazy ass enjoys and is used to ;p Also, I was kinda hoping to avoid thinking about wheel changes since I put the ridiculously heavy shinko on the back, not exactly a roadside capable fix anyway...
Was actually gonna use a scavenged 240v AC (air conditioner as well as AC lol) 12-3 awg stranded power cable as 12g would suffice on phase, but it revealed itself to be CCA on a scuff test and it's pvc jacket was only 75c rated too, :( so I don't need such an obvious weak link, considering the silver plated ptfe that's there.
It just means more waiting for supplies, hope the warm weather sticks around long enough for me to fix it all and get back on the road already :roll:
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Post by Powervelocity.com » Sep 15 2016 3:34pm

The smartphone programming interface has been refined and readied for the beta release.
The app is already available here: http://powervelocity.com/index.php?cont ... achment=12
Feel free to check out and provide feedback.

We are planning to keep the development alive offering frequent updates - polishing it out and adding new features as well. So, it will get only better overtime.
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Post by drewjet » Sep 16 2016 4:38am

Downloaded and installed on my Note 3.

With the phone in vertical mode it is cutting off the sides, I can't read the numbers. with no way to scroll. If I turn my phone sideways I can see everything.

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Post by Powervelocity.com » Sep 16 2016 5:00am

PM a screenshot. That can be fixed, I just need to see what it looks like.
drewjet wrote:Downloaded and installed on my Note 3.

With the phone in vertical mode it is cutting off the sides, I can't read the numbers. with no way to scroll. If I turn my phone sideways I can see everything.

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Post by Powervelocity.com » Sep 20 2016 3:48pm

Now that we have a few testers for the Bluetooth programming functionality, here is the one-page manual how to program from Android. I've tested it myself for a week now with two separate bikes/controllers and it works as designed. Had a few bugs that were quickly fixed.

Because parameters are now saved in the app and the the settings for LVC and Regen voltage displayed are the ACTUAL voltage values, changing parameters is a breeze. Takes a few seconds in my case and can be done on the go. Just stop on the shoulder, pull the phone, tweak the settings, hit Program! and you are back on the road. That alone was worth the trouble in my book.

Anyhow, it will take a few days to ramp up the production of the hardware part, so availability is limited at that moment. Not going to take long though. Stay tuned.
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Post by ABritInNY » Sep 20 2016 5:55pm

Well I'd like to get one to test myself as soon as possible, sounds like the answer to the r12 mod scaling issue. Great work, really exciting development.
Btw, I'm back on the road again on my EEB, so I gotta figure out the whole 3 speed setup thing that seems the same power to me whatever mode is selected. Also I just realized there is no controller pas input labelled so I'm having to use CA pas but it's only smooth on closed loop :( on pass thru (so the 3 speed should work?) there is a brief lurch of power b4 the CA pas level control takes complete control, on current throttle it's very smooth, so is there a dedicated pas wire on the ESC, or was it an option?
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Kayman Flash+ 350w Mxus geared hub, dual 36v 5.2ah batts 10.4ah 13a-15a ESC
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Post by Powervelocity.com » Sep 20 2016 6:23pm

3-position switch is best connected to the controller (not to the CA) because via the controller you can set not only speed limits but also power/current limits. In fact, I think that speed limits should be ignored altogether (just set all 3 or 4 speeds at 100% or 130%) and use only the current limits. It feels much more intuitive on the throttle when you have limited current vs. limited voltage. To get the levels you need, just program with the configurator. Obviously, it's a snap to set those via the app.

Regarding PAS, it's available on the controller, just not wired. If you want, you can take the controller apart and solder the PAS signal wire to the TA pin, plus the regular 5V and ground. You can also set the PAS speed and tweak how many pulses it takes it to kick in via programming. However, I think in this case running it via the CA make more sense as you would have more control over the PAS. For example, you can use the AUX on the CA to set speed/power of the PAS feedback on the go. It does take some experimentation to get it work right on the CA though.




ABritInNY wrote:Well I'd like to get one to test myself as soon as possible, sounds like the answer to the r12 mod scaling issue. Great work, really exciting development.
Btw, I'm back on the road again on my EEB, so I gotta figure out the whole 3 speed setup thing that seems the same power to me whatever mode is selected. Also I just realized there is no controller pas input labelled so I'm having to use CA pas but it's only smooth on closed loop :( on pass thru (so the 3 speed should work?) there is a brief lurch of power b4 the CA pas level control takes complete control, on current throttle it's very smooth, so is there a dedicated pas wire on the ESC, or was it an option?

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Post by ABritInNY » Sep 20 2016 8:29pm

I guess I never explained myself properly, sorry. My setup has 2 different 3 speed switches. The one on my left is yours and goes to the controller, and a separate 3 speed is plugged into my CA's auxA input to change from 400w, 750 and 1000w of PAS and it works fine, it's very smooth when throttle mode is closed loop like current throttle, however when I have throttle set as pass thru (which I assume I need for the ESC 3 speed to function correctly,) there is a brief power lurch on PAS before the CA clamps it to the preset power, which isn't there on the current throttle mode.
I want to use the 3 speed to ESC, to replace my previous use of the 3 speed thru the aux input to change current from 29a (about 2200w) on 1) and 42a (3300+w) on 2) max is 70a 5500+w on 3) I used the setup file you sent me and it has 3 different power levels programmed but it all seems the same no matter which mode? Is there a particular mode it needs (pass thru,) or can I get it working the other way too?
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Fusion 48v AGM (4x 12v 15ah) 1000w nom DD rear hub, 50a max ESC, 21sp FS Genesis overkill 650b conversion
Kayman Flash+ 350w Mxus geared hub, dual 36v 5.2ah batts 10.4ah 13a-15a ESC
Freway Vr01, 27sp Pedelec 250w Bafang geared hub, (2x) 36v 5.2ah batt, FVS ESC limited to 10a!! (yup sloow on roads but great on trails ;)

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Post by Powervelocity.com » Sep 21 2016 12:57am

Pass-through is what I am running. I found this to work best as it least modifies the throttle. I bump up the ramp-up delays all the way to 99v per second, to eliminate any delays altogether.
CA does not really provide true torque throttle as it has no way to modify the controller supplied current. It can only control the throttle voltage.
3-position switch wired directly to the controller has always worked best for me. Running it through the CA gave me all kinds issues, like pulsations at acceleration, etc.

If you configured the speed/current levels in the software, there is no reason why it should not work. The only other reason would be incorrect wiring. Check and make sure that the first speed shorts black and blue wire, second position shorts nothing, and the third position shorts black and grey. The colors on the switch wire are completely different, just use a multimeter to figure out where is what.
Also, here are my suggested settings. Make sure that 3/4 Speed Swch is set to 0: X1 X2. This is important. The speed and current limits can be set to taste.
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ABritInNY wrote:I guess I never explained myself properly, sorry. My setup has 2 different 3 speed switches. The one on my left is yours and goes to the controller, and a separate 3 speed is plugged into my CA's auxA input to change from 400w, 750 and 1000w of PAS and it works fine, it's very smooth when throttle mode is closed loop like current throttle, however when I have throttle set as pass thru (which I assume I need for the ESC 3 speed to function correctly,) there is a brief power lurch on PAS before the CA clamps it to the preset power, which isn't there on the current throttle mode.
I want to use the 3 speed to ESC, to replace my previous use of the 3 speed thru the aux input to change current from 29a (about 2200w) on 1) and 42a (3300+w) on 2) max is 70a 5500+w on 3) I used the setup file you sent me and it has 3 different power levels programmed but it all seems the same no matter which mode? Is there a particular mode it needs (pass thru,) or can I get it working the other way too?
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Post by FluxZoom » Sep 21 2016 9:47am

Did you ever try to press the program button with the motor turning? Does the motor still turn when connected via bluetooth?

Any plan to create a way to read things like speed and power consumption using this bluetooth setup?

Hows the variable regenerative braking feature coming along?

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Post by Powervelocity.com » Sep 21 2016 11:53am

Are you in destructive thinking mode? ;) The MCU logic is designed to prevent these kinds of things. The controller will not accept programming if it is already running normally. You need to shut off the controller, turn on the programming mode and power it up. When it starts up in the programming mode, it will be listening to the handshake from the programmer but will not run until you disable the programming mode. It's a good idea to restart the controller after the programming is done, even though I found it is not necessary: the controller will run the moment you turn off the programming mode. Since parameters are written to MCU registers, it is technically possible to change them while the motor is running but that increases the risk of unpredictable results that can compromise safety. It is not really necessary either.

Bluetooth is simply a connection link to a separate MCU that I install on the controller side. The motor will run fine with a BT connection established and the MCU has more than enough bandwidth to collect and process speed, current, voltage, temperature and what not readings. The hardware is designed around the ability to do that and much more. It's just a matter of putting the right software in place. I am in fact working on it.

I have a couple of working var.regen prototypes that are circuit based which I am not planning to release into production. Once going smartphone route, I realized this can be implemented more efficiently and with much more flexibility in the software. So, I've recreated the logic in the code and, based on the initial testing, it works well plus it's easier to tweak and tune it (like on the go via the app as well). The challenge with the var regen is to pick a sweet spot where the motor-generated current is not too high where it can kill the battery pack. This is quite a variable that will be unique to every particular motor/battery pack combo. So, there needs to be an easy way to limit the current for var.regen like we do for the forward current on the controller. Just to give you an idea, my bike motor (QS205) generates up to 30 amps at 100v, that is 3kw of juice that is pumped back to the pack. That's fine with my pack as it's designed to take this much, but that much current can quickly destroy smaller packs, I mean destroy in in spectacular way with fireworks. Now that I am more or less done with the programming functionality, I'll focus more on the var.regen and hope to turn it around pretty quickly.

FluxZoom wrote:Did you ever try to press the program button with the motor turning? Does the motor still turn when connected via bluetooth?

Any plan to create a way to read things like speed and power consumption using this bluetooth setup?

Hows the variable regenerative braking feature coming along?

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