12F Sine/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller iOS/Android,GPS-$139

Place for dealers to post items for sale.
Powervelocity.com   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 806
Joined: Mar 27 2015 2:15pm
Location: California
Contact:

12F Sine/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller iOS/Android,GPS-$139

Post by Powervelocity.com » Jun 07 2016 12:33am

Update

iPhone app for Bluetooth programming module is now available. All controller sizes are supported: 6F, 12F, 15F, 18F, 24F.
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 31&t=75888




By popular demand, 12Fet controllers are now available for immediate orders.
These are smaller versions of 18Fet Controllers that have proven to be running very smooth and silent with a wide range of motors.
See details here:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 31&t=75888

Spec/feature highlights:

- Violently silent (or silently violent), quick response to the throttle, strong and smooth acceleration from a dead stop without drama;
- Small and light package. Dimensions are 150 x 85 x 40 mm
- Based on proven Xie-Chang/Infineon controller platform (censored) that is great for further modifications/hacking but comes with a new MCU allowing all the standard set of Infineon controller features (cruise, 3/4speed selection, regen, PAS, settings, etc) plus a number of new configuration options with the programming software;
- 12 genuine IRFB4110 low resistance 3.7 mOhms (up to 100v);
- Battery amps are programmable up to 99A and phase amps up to 370A, voltage range 36-I00V. Up to 45A recommended with stock wires and traces but more amps can be pushed with upgrades (thicker batt/phase wires, beefed up traces, larger caps, etc.);
- A wide range of regenerative brake strength settings: 200 units instead of 2 settings available in older Infineon controllers.
- Soft start setting with configurable ramp-up (set via software);
- 130% over speed settings that allows even higher speeds;
- Flux/field weakening control that allows to further tweak motor for speed;
- "Soft LVC" setting (adjustable individually for each of the three/four speeds);
- Separate current and speed setting for each speed position setting;
- Heatsink aluminum box with larger fins helps better with heat dissipation;
- $139 with free shipping within continental US, PayPal accepted, international shipping is extra.

Options:

- Programming cable - $15 ( if not needed, controller voltage/current, other settings can be customized to the specs before shipping);
- Cycle Analyst connector $10
- Throttle $15
- Alarm/GPS tracking system mated to this controller, pre-wired/plug-and-play (Sound alarm on vibration detection/power disconnect, SMS alerts, remote listening via phone, GPS tracking, remote arm/disarm/panic/motor lock, remote start and much more) - $70
- Cycle Analyst version 3 Direct Plugin - $125 (this price if purchased with controller)
- Universal DC stepdown voltage converter for 12v accessories (input voltage 36-100v output 12v 10A), wired into controller and turned on/of with the switch key - $25


Shipping is free within continental US and flat rate $35 to any other country.

The attachment IMAG2105.jpg is no longer available
Attachments
IMAG2105.jpg
IMAG2105.jpg (83.12 KiB) Viewed 8264 times
Last edited by Powervelocity.com on Mar 31 2017 10:18am, edited 7 times in total.

Peterfr12   1 mW

1 mW
Posts: 15
Joined: Jun 16 2010 9:24am
Location: Hertfordshire, United Kingdom

sinewave controller and MAC motor

Post by Peterfr12 » Jun 08 2016 9:29am

Hi

I am going to purchase a MAC motor soon through the em3ev website. However I would like to run the MAC motor with a sinewave controller.
Is this controller working with a MAC motor?
Many thanks,

Pierre

Powervelocity.com   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 806
Joined: Mar 27 2015 2:15pm
Location: California
Contact:

Re: sinewave controller and MAC motor

Post by Powervelocity.com » Jun 08 2016 11:31am

In theory, the controller will work with any hall sensored motor. So far, it has been tested with Clytes, MXUSes, 9C, Leafs (Leaves?) and worked well with all of those. Not yet tested on MAC, but I don't see a reason why it will not work.
Peterfr12 wrote:Hi

I am going to purchase a MAC motor soon through the em3ev website. However I would like to run the MAC motor with a sinewave controller.
Is this controller working with a MAC motor?
Many thanks,

Pierre

Animalector   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 820
Joined: Mar 17 2012 4:50pm
Location: Mareeba - Queensland

Re: 12Fet Sino/Silent 100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -$

Post by Animalector » Jun 10 2016 7:30am

I think you should get a mac and test.. it's been notoriously hard to control...given its characteristics.

999zip999   100 GW

100 GW
Posts: 8549
Joined: Jan 10 2010 1:40pm
Location: Dana Point So. Cal

Re: 12Fet Sino/Silent 100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -$

Post by 999zip999 » Jun 10 2016 8:44am

Animalector you should send him a mac for testing. Box one up.

User avatar
fechter   100 GW

100 GW
Posts: 13260
Joined: Dec 31 2006 3:23pm
Location: California Bay Area, USA

Re: 12Fet Sino/Silent 100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -$

Post by fechter » Jun 12 2016 7:35pm

The old MAC motors have advanced hall timing. The new ones are neutrally timed, so should be no problem. I'm not sure how to tell the difference just by looking.
"One test is worth a thousand opinions"


liamcaff   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 376
Joined: Feb 17 2013 6:21pm
Location: Dublin

Re: 12x Sino/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -

Post by liamcaff » Jun 17 2016 10:53am

Think I'm gonna order one of these today...

how much is shipping to Dublin, Ireland? And how long do you think it would take to get here?


liamcaff   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 376
Joined: Feb 17 2013 6:21pm
Location: Dublin

Re: 12x Sino/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -

Post by liamcaff » Jun 17 2016 2:21pm

Is the programming cable the same as the Lyen 12FET controller one?

Any more details on the GPS tracker thing?

liamcaff   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 376
Joined: Feb 17 2013 6:21pm
Location: Dublin

Re: 12x Sino/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -

Post by liamcaff » Jun 17 2016 3:42pm

PMd

Powervelocity.com   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 806
Joined: Mar 27 2015 2:15pm
Location: California
Contact:

Re: 12x Sino/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -

Post by Powervelocity.com » Jun 17 2016 4:29pm

The programming cable will work with a small mod - details Pmed.
The GPS Alarm is a must have in my book after my friend's bike worth 5K was snatched out of his garage. Thank goodness home insurance agreed to pay.

It's a great little device that plugs right into the controller (supporting any voltage up to 100v). It does what an alarm will do: screams when someone is fiddling with your bike but will also, call your number and let you listen what is going around your bike, will text, report GPS location, will lock the wheel applying current to phases. It can also record your rout on the map and archive it for future references, can replay the route. I can't be riding my bike around neighborhood without it anymore, it's peace of mind that matters.
liamcaff wrote:Is the programming cable the same as the Lyen 12FET controller one?

Any more details on the GPS tracker thing?

User avatar
izeman   10 GW

10 GW
Posts: 4801
Joined: Jun 21 2011 8:25am
Location: vienna, austria
Contact:

Re: 12x Sino/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -

Post by izeman » Jun 21 2016 11:59am

liamcaff wrote:Think I'm gonna order one of these today...
how much is shipping to Dublin, Ireland? And how long do you think it would take to get here?
have you ordered and tested with the MAC? i got REAL issues with ANY sine wave controller i tried to run with a MAC. no wanting to say that these controllers can't do it. just want to know for sure by someone who has tried it.

User avatar
izeman   10 GW

10 GW
Posts: 4801
Joined: Jun 21 2011 8:25am
Location: vienna, austria
Contact:

Re: 12x Sino/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -

Post by izeman » Jun 21 2016 12:01pm

Powervelocity.com wrote:- Small and light package. Dimensions are 150 x 85 x 40 mm
is this with or without the mounting flaps? how long is the case alone without any covers?

User avatar
fechter   100 GW

100 GW
Posts: 13260
Joined: Dec 31 2006 3:23pm
Location: California Bay Area, USA

Re: 12x Sino/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -

Post by fechter » Jun 21 2016 1:08pm

These controllers have a feature that if one hall signal goes bad (shorted, open), the controller will still run on all phases once it gets going. Not really sensorless, but sensor fault tolerant. I don't think it will run with multiple hall faults but haven't tried it yet.
"One test is worth a thousand opinions"

Powervelocity.com   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 806
Joined: Mar 27 2015 2:15pm
Location: California
Contact:

Re: 12x Sino/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -

Post by Powervelocity.com » Jun 21 2016 1:22pm

Yes, it has mounting flaps.
150 x 85 x 40 mm are the dimensions for the shell with covers. Covers are thin sheets of steel plus silicon gaskets (they add maybe 3-4 mm to the length).
izeman wrote:
Powervelocity.com wrote:- Small and light package. Dimensions are 150 x 85 x 40 mm
is this with or without the mounting flaps? how long is the case alone without any covers?

liamcaff   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 376
Joined: Feb 17 2013 6:21pm
Location: Dublin

Re: 12x Sino/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -

Post by liamcaff » Jul 05 2016 11:27am

PMd

liamcaff   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 376
Joined: Feb 17 2013 6:21pm
Location: Dublin

Re: 12x Sino/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -

Post by liamcaff » Jul 07 2016 4:45pm

Just looking for confirmation that you received my paypal payment and hoping the controller is en route :)


liamcaff   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 376
Joined: Feb 17 2013 6:21pm
Location: Dublin

Re: 12x Sino/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -

Post by liamcaff » Jul 08 2016 9:40am

Great thanks! Looking forward to trying it out!

liamcaff   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 376
Joined: Feb 17 2013 6:21pm
Location: Dublin

Re: 12x Sino/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -

Post by liamcaff » Jul 15 2016 1:15pm

Could you post any details of wiring for hooking this up to a Crystalyte HS3540 motor, LIPO battery and Cycle Analyst DP V3?

I just received the controller and have it hooked up the exact same way as my Lyen 12FET was, but the Cycle Analyst isn't turning on... no power at all from it (when I swap the Lyen controller back in it powers up as normal).

Any thoughts?

liamcaff   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 376
Joined: Feb 17 2013 6:21pm
Location: Dublin

Re: 12x Sino/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -

Post by liamcaff » Jul 15 2016 1:34pm

My bad - hadn't shorted the red wire to the Positive of the battery supply...

Now to figure out the correct phase wire combination
liamcaff wrote:Could you post any details of wiring for hooking this up to a Crystalyte HS3540 motor, LIPO battery and Cycle Analyst DP V3?

I just received the controller and have it hooked up the exact same way as my Lyen 12FET was, but the Cycle Analyst isn't turning on... no power at all from it (when I swap the Lyen controller back in it powers up as normal).

Any thoughts?

Powervelocity.com   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 806
Joined: Mar 27 2015 2:15pm
Location: California
Contact:

Re: 12x Sino/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -

Post by Powervelocity.com » Jul 15 2016 1:40pm

The controller turns on when you short the single red "ignition" wire to the battery positive. It will not come online if you just connect the battery leads. I believe that's how Lyen turns on (well said :roll:) but I am thinking there may be some variations. Just want to make sure you use the red ignition wire to power it.

Here are the hall/phase mappings that have been tested to work well with Clyte H40. Chances are they are the same for H35 although I have heard they may wire motors for US and EU differently (not sure if that's going to change with the Brexit :).

Motor to controller:
Halls
G - B
Y - G
B - Y

Phases:
G - Y
Y - B
B - G


liamcaff wrote:Could you post any details of wiring for hooking this up to a Crystalyte HS3540 motor, LIPO battery and Cycle Analyst DP V3?

I just received the controller and have it hooked up the exact same way as my Lyen 12FET was, but the Cycle Analyst isn't turning on... no power at all from it (when I swap the Lyen controller back in it powers up as normal).

Any thoughts?

liamcaff   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 376
Joined: Feb 17 2013 6:21pm
Location: Dublin

Re: 12x Sino/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -

Post by liamcaff » Jul 15 2016 2:07pm

On my initial test of those Phase and Hall combinations for the Crystalyte HS3540 all looks good!

Thanks Vad!

Looks like Brexit isn't affecting things too much yet :P

liamcaff   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 376
Joined: Feb 17 2013 6:21pm
Location: Dublin

Re: 12x Sino/Silent 36-100v/45A Controller Program/GPS/etc -

Post by liamcaff » Jul 18 2016 4:49am

Downloaded the software for the controller from the powervelocity.com website but it needs a password... Can someone PM it to me please - thanks :)

Post Reply