Frame ION 2.0. Price for frame 499USD

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Re: Frame ION 2.0. Price for frame 499USD

Post by eflyersteve » Mar 02 2017 10:13pm

I'm curious to learn about your motor kits. The prices seem reasonable but can you tell us more about the motor (winds, lamination thickness, etc.), wheel (width, construction, spoke gauge, etc.) and controllers (programmable?, plug for cycle analyst?, etc.)
Thanks!

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Re: Frame ION 2.0. Price for frame 499USD

Post by HorizonElectric » Mar 04 2017 8:31am

eflyersteve wrote:I'm curious to learn about your motor kits. The prices seem reasonable but can you tell us more about the motor (winds, lamination thickness, etc.), wheel (width, construction, spoke gauge, etc.) and controllers (programmable?, plug for cycle analyst?, etc.)
Thanks!
The width of the magnets is 50 mm. Direct drive, without gear. It's a traction motor. Controllers are not programmable. Dimensions of the motor can be found on our website ionebike.com
Our workshop is open from Monday to Friday. In the week I will try to write in detail about the engines.
3000W motor sizes:
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Re: Frame ION 2.0. Price for frame 499USD

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Re: Frame ION 2.0. Price for frame 499USD

Post by Garen » Oct 12 2018 3:54am

Can this frame accomodate a single 20s10p battery (I’m thinking of whether one can just throw in one from em3ev).

Has anyone here on the forums actually tried it yet? I like the size...

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Re: Frame ION 2.0. Price for frame 499USD

Post by HorizonElectric » Oct 12 2018 12:05pm

Garen wrote:
Oct 12 2018 3:54am
Can this frame accomodate a single 20s10p battery (I’m thinking of whether one can just throw in one from em3ev).

Has anyone here on the forums actually tried it yet? I like the size...
One block 189 cells that can be simply installed, max we installed 220 cells - but battery produced spesial fo this frame.

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Re: Frame ION 2.0. Price for frame 499USD

Post by HorizonElectric » Oct 12 2018 12:06pm

Garen wrote:
Oct 12 2018 3:54am

Has anyone here on the forums actually tried it yet? I like the size...
Yes, you can fide us on ebay!

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Re: Frame ION 2.0. Price for frame 499USD

Post by HorizonElectric » Oct 12 2018 12:28pm

HorizonElectric wrote:
Oct 12 2018 12:05pm
Garen wrote:
Oct 12 2018 3:54am
Can this frame accomodate a single 20s10p battery (I’m thinking of whether one can just throw in one from em3ev).

Has anyone here on the forums actually tried it yet? I like the size...
One block 189 cells that can be simply installed, max we installed 220 cells - but battery produced spesial fo this frame.
Here is ebay shop
https://www.ebay.com/usr/ionebike?_trks ... 7675.l2559

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Re: Frame ION 2.0. Price for frame 499USD

Post by exe » Oct 12 2018 2:47pm

Garen wrote:
Oct 12 2018 3:54am
Can this frame accomodate a single 20s10p battery (I’m thinking of whether one can just throw in one from em3ev).

Has anyone here on the forums actually tried it yet? I like the size...
Yeah I did. But ran into lots of issues that cost me more money to fix. I am currently dealing with out of tolerance upper shock mount holes. There are suppose to be 8mm, but mine is 8.2mm and that is measuring with powder coating still in the holes. So now I have a 'clank' sound every time I pick up the bike or bounce over something on the road.I can see the bolt moving with the clank sound when I pick up the bike from the seatpost. It will eventually wear out the shock mount holes. They don't provide the bolts either, I just found out after sourcing the bolts myself and when it came time to build up the bike.

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Re: Frame ION 2.0. Price for frame 499USD

Post by SlowCo » Oct 12 2018 7:37pm

exe wrote:
Oct 12 2018 2:47pm
I am currently dealing with out of tolerance upper shock mount holes. There are suppose to be 8mm, but mine is 8.2mm and that is measuring with powder coating still in the holes. So now I have a 'clank' sound every time I pick up the bike or bounce over something on the road.I can see the bolt moving with the clank sound when I pick up the bike from the seatpost. It will eventually wear out the shock mount holes. They don't provide the bolts either, I just found out after sourcing the bolts myself and when it came time to build up the bike.
That bolt hole is fine in size and could even be 8,5mm in normal manufacturing. There should be a crush tube in the eye of the shock and the bolt should be tightend so that the crush tube will be strongly clamped in the shockmount of the frame so it can't move. Best way is to torque the bolt to proper value after you've sat on the bike (and not lift it). The shock should not rotate around the bolt and the crush tube should not be able to move under normal riding conditions!

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Re: Frame ION 2.0. Price for frame 499USD

Post by exe » Oct 12 2018 8:13pm

SlowCo wrote:
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That bolt hole is fine in size and could even be 8,5mm in normal manufacturing. There should be a crush tube in the eye of the shock and the bolt should be tightend so that the crush tube will be strongly clamped in the shockmount of the frame so it can't move. Best way is to torque the bolt to proper value after you've sat on the bike (and not lift it). The shock should not rotate around the bolt and the crush tube should not be able to move under normal riding conditions!
Incidentally, I am using crush tube (they were custom made to my specifications so they fit perfectly; having said that, I didn't shave off any paint between the mount holes). What torque values would you suggest? I cannot see if the tube is rotating or not since it is covered by the shock spacers. Following your instructions, I would still hear a 'clank' when lifting up the bike correct?

Incidentally, would your assumptions also be fine for a mountain bicycle regarding out of tolerance bolt holes (or ones that have been ovalized)?

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Re: Frame ION 2.0. Price for frame 499USD

Post by SlowCo » Oct 13 2018 4:50am

A bolt hole is what is sounds like: a hole to put a bolt through.
It should be the clamp force of that bolt that pulls two or more surfaces (crush tube between mounting flanges) so tight together that the shear force is on those surfaces and not on the bolt!
So if you can see the bolt moving when only lifting the bike it's not good...
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Re: Frame ION 2.0. Price for frame 499USD

Post by exe » Oct 15 2018 1:38am

Thus, would this mean I should torque the bolts until I don't hear a 'clank' sound when lifting the bike?

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Re: Frame ION 2.0. Price for frame 499USD

Post by SlowCo » Oct 15 2018 6:44am

exe wrote:
Oct 15 2018 1:38am
Thus, would this mean I should torque the bolts until I don't hear a 'clank' sound when lifting the bike?
Loosen the bolt a little, sit on the bike to put pressure on the shock, get off but don't lift the bike, now tighten the bolt until it is really clamping. Normally a M8 bolt can be tightened to 20-25Nm. That is approx. 2 to 2,5kg of force on a spanner that is 1 meter long. So on a normal 13mm (M8) width spanner with a length of around 25cm that would be 8 to 10kg of force.

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Re: Frame ION 2.0. Price for frame 499USD

Post by Garen » Oct 27 2018 8:15pm

exe wrote:
Oct 12 2018 2:47pm
Garen wrote:
Oct 12 2018 3:54am
Can this frame accomodate a single 20s10p battery (I’m thinking of whether one can just throw in one from em3ev).

Has anyone here on the forums actually tried it yet? I like the size...
Yeah I did. ...
Got any pics? Would love to see some (exterior and interior!).

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